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My Improvise Ruck Sack And Frame.
« on: April 05, 2013, 11:48:26 PM »
Last year I wanted to construct a wood frame style Ruck Sack like the one illustrated in the SAS Survival Handbook by John Wiseman.

The one in the SAS Handbook is called a Fork Frame, I decided to mock up a similar frame known as a Roycraft Pack Frame. I constructed it using Maple branches the thickness of my thumb.



I striped all the bark and knots off the sticks so I won't have anything jabbing me in the back.
I lashed the sticks together with some 550 para-cord. For the ruck I'm using an old canvas bag I use to stow the sail for my Sunfish (sailboat).



I'm using a couple of stones I got outa the stream to help me attach the ruck to the frame.



I tied the stone in the corner of the ruck then tied a slip knot to the frame.



I stripped off some bark from a sapling to use as shoulder straps that I'll attach to the frame.



I attached the shoulder strap to the apex with another slip knot.



Then I just used a square knot to attach the shoulder strap to the base of the frame.



It feels surprisingly comfortable and fits perfectly.



It the perfect size Ruck for a weekend trip.



Thanks for checking out my Improvise Ruck Sack And Frame.
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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2013, 11:59:53 PM »
Another great build :thumbsup:
That looks pretty cool 8)
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Re: My Improvise Ruck Sack And Frame.
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2013, 05:51:24 AM »
Thank you!   I like this project too!     I suppose one could use a pillow case for a rucksack?  :)
 
I was just chuckling...where was this idea when I was six and was going to 'run away'?   I probably would have gone TWO blocks instead of one...  :) :) 
 
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My Improvise Ruck Sack And Frame.
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2013, 06:27:04 AM »
VERY cool WI!

I was toying around with the idea of a home made frame - a PVC frame. And then I did some 'research' on the Roycroft. Yours looks as good as anything Ive seen. Well done.

I ultimately came to the conclusion that, to my way of thinking, the PVC and the Roycroft were both excellent DIY projects and helpful to know about, but not 'full time' use packs.

What's your opinion?

Thanks for sharing!


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Re: My Improvise Ruck Sack And Frame.
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2013, 07:11:46 AM »
Great job on the pack and frame I really like the straps.
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Re: My Improvise Ruck Sack And Frame.
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2013, 07:31:23 AM »
Quote from: WoodsWoman on April 06, 2013, 05:51:24 AM
Thank you!   I like this project too!     I suppose one could use a pillow case for a rucksack?  :)
 
I was just chuckling...where was this idea when I was six and was going to 'run away'?   I probably would have gone TWO blocks instead of one...  :) :) 
 
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Don't do it, WW......I tried that with an old pillow case that my Mom gave me for my first supper-hike when I joined the Boy Scouts.  I didn't have a real pack yet, so I improvised from a picture in my Scout manual.  It was too weak and old & I ended up carrying all my stuff back in my arms when my steel skillet went through the bottom!
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Re: My Improvise Ruck Sack And Frame.
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2013, 08:00:04 AM »
Quote from: kanukkarhu on April 06, 2013, 06:27:04 AM
VERY cool WI!

I was toying around with the idea of a home made frame - a PVC frame. And then I did some 'research' on the Roycroft. Yours looks as good as anything Ive seen. Well done.

I ultimately came to the conclusion that, to my way of thinking, the PVC and the Roycroft were both excellent DIY projects and helpful to know about, but not 'full time' use packs.

What's your opinion?

Thanks for sharing!


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Honestly, when I first did this project it was just an experiment...  I've read so many books/manuals over the years and some of that info contained in them are great illustrations on paper but when you make them you realize the author had no idea what he was talking about (Disclaimer: I'm not speaking of any author in particular)...  This doesn't mean that all ideas exist in theory it just means the authors give you a starting point and you have to tweak it until it works for you.

All in all I've used this Ruck a few times in my day hikes.  I had to replace the shoulder straps (the bark dried out and got brittle) with some rope, I may eventually replace them with some 2 inch webbing like Mors Kochanski did in his video.  I can see my self using this pack long term, it's plenty sturdy and I still have yet to rig it up using a tarp.  Thank's for the comment.     
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Re: My Improvise Ruck Sack And Frame.
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2013, 08:09:46 AM »
Quote from: wolfy on April 06, 2013, 07:31:23 AM
Quote from: WoodsWoman on April 06, 2013, 05:51:24 AM
Thank you!   I like this project too!     I suppose one could use a pillow case for a rucksack?  :)
 
I was just chuckling...where was this idea when I was six and was going to 'run away'?   I probably would have gone TWO blocks instead of one...  :) :) 
 
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Don't do it, WW......I tried that with an old pillow case that my Mom gave me for my first supper-hike when I joined the Boy Scouts.  I didn't have a real pack yet, so I improvised from a picture in my Scout manual.  It was too weak and old & I ended up carrying all my stuff back in my arms when my steel skillet went through the bottom!

Lol, my next project is the Hobo stick over the shoulder with a hanky employed as a makeshift pack on the end.   :rofl:   
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Re: My Improvise Ruck Sack And Frame.
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2013, 08:32:41 AM »
Quote from: WI_Woodsman on April 06, 2013, 08:09:46 AM
Lol, my next project is the Hobo stick over the shoulder with a hanky employed as a makeshift pack on the end.   :rofl:   

Ya mean a bindle?? :rofl:

No shame in having hobo tendencies, man.  I've been verging on hobo-dom for years.

Nice build man.  Makes me want to try this out. ;)
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Re: My Improvise Ruck Sack And Frame.
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2013, 08:45:51 AM »
Quote from: diogenes on April 06, 2013, 08:32:41 AM
Quote from: WI_Woodsman on April 06, 2013, 08:09:46 AM
Lol, my next project is the Hobo stick over the shoulder with a hanky employed as a makeshift pack on the end.   :rofl:   

Ya mean a bindle?? :rofl:

No shame in having hobo tendencies, man.  I've been verging on hobo-dom for years.

Nice build man.  Makes me want to try this out. ;)

Bindle!?!?!  I'll be darned...  It's got a name???  Thanks man, I learn sumpin' new every day!   ;) 
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Re: My Improvise Ruck Sack And Frame.
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2013, 09:34:09 AM »
good stuff WIW
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Re: My Improvise Ruck Sack And Frame.
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2013, 09:36:48 AM »
Quote from: WI_Woodsman on April 06, 2013, 08:45:51 AM
Quote from: diogenes on April 06, 2013, 08:32:41 AM
Quote from: WI_Woodsman on April 06, 2013, 08:09:46 AM
Lol, my next project is the Hobo stick over the shoulder with a hanky employed as a makeshift pack on the end.   :rofl:   

Ya mean a bindle?? :rofl:

No shame in having hobo tendencies, man.  I've been verging on hobo-dom for years.

Nice build man.  Makes me want to try this out. ;)

Bindle!?!?!  I'll be darned...  It's got a name???  Thanks man, I learn sumpin' new every day!   ;) 

Not only that, but one who carries that "bindle" is officially known as a "bindlestiff" 8)


bindlestiff
Syllabification: (bin?dle?stiff)
Pronunciation: /ˈbindlˌstif/

Definition of bindlestiff
noun
informal
a tramp or a hobo, especially one carrying a bundle containing a bedroll and other gear.
Origin:

early 20th century: probably from an alteration of bundle + stiff (in the sense 'useless person')
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Re: My Improvise Ruck Sack And Frame.
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2013, 09:57:38 AM »
Quote from: wolfy on April 06, 2013, 09:36:48 AM
Quote from: WI_Woodsman on April 06, 2013, 08:45:51 AM
Quote from: diogenes on April 06, 2013, 08:32:41 AM
Quote from: WI_Woodsman on April 06, 2013, 08:09:46 AM
Lol, my next project is the Hobo stick over the shoulder with a hanky employed as a makeshift pack on the end.   :rofl:   

Ya mean a bindle?? :rofl:

No shame in having hobo tendencies, man.  I've been verging on hobo-dom for years.

Nice build man.  Makes me want to try this out. ;)

Bindle!?!?!  I'll be darned...  It's got a name???  Thanks man, I learn sumpin' new every day!   ;) 

Not only that, but one who carries that "bindle" is officially known as a "bindlestiff" 8)


bindlestiff
Syllabification: (bin?dle?stiff)
Pronunciation: /ˈbindlˌstif/

Definition of bindlestiff
noun
informal
a tramp or a hobo, especially one carrying a bundle containing a bedroll and other gear.
Origin:

early 20th century: probably from an alteration of bundle + stiff (in the sense 'useless person')

Ya don't see bindlestiff too much anymore...  Ne'er-do-wells definitely!  But not bindlestiff...   :-\
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Re: My Improvise Ruck Sack And Frame.
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2013, 10:23:43 AM »
I think shopping carts may have taken the place of the time-honored bindle! :shrug:
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Re: My Improvise Ruck Sack And Frame.
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2013, 10:35:06 AM »
Quote from: wolfy on April 06, 2013, 10:23:43 AM
I think shopping carts may have taken the place of the time-honored bindle! :shrug:

But the bindle is so much classier!

Actually, for the hobo on the go I see a lot of guys rocking backpacks nowadays. I gave a guy a tarp I had in my car a few weeks ago (he was pleased to have it) and he had all his stuff in a cheapo rucksack.

I do think that the roycroft pack frame probably would've served people better than the bindle.
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Re: My Improvise Ruck Sack And Frame.
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2013, 10:44:49 AM »
How about a back pack built simular to what the Native Indian Women had for carrying their young on their backs?   If I remember right the hides on them enclosed around the child to hold them in.   I'm completely blanking out on what those were called or I'd go look them up.    Anyway.. with them built to enclose.. a simular idea for packing your gear could maybe fit in there.
 
And I've seen those backpack things for hauling wood...but the strap went up and over the head to set on the forehead while being carried. 
 
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My Improvise Ruck Sack And Frame.
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2013, 11:09:47 AM »
I'm gonna make one of these.


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Re: My Improvise Ruck Sack And Frame.
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2013, 11:41:56 AM »
Quote from: WoodsWoman on April 06, 2013, 10:44:49 AM
How about a back pack built simular to what the Native Indian Women had for carrying their young on their backs?   If I remember right the hides on them enclosed around the child to hold them in.   I'm completely blanking out on what those were called or I'd go look them up.    Anyway.. with them built to enclose.. a simular idea for packing your gear could maybe fit in there.
 
And I've seen those backpack things for hauling wood...but the strap went up and over the head to set on the forehead while being carried. 
 
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That would be the 'cradleboard'....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cradleboard

And the strap would be the 'tumpline'.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumpline
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Re: My Improvise Ruck Sack And Frame.
« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2013, 11:59:52 AM »
Quote from: wolfy on April 06, 2013, 11:41:56 AM
Quote from: WoodsWoman on April 06, 2013, 10:44:49 AM
How about a back pack built simular to what the Native Indian Women had for carrying their young on their backs?   If I remember right the hides on them enclosed around the child to hold them in.   I'm completely blanking out on what those were called or I'd go look them up.    Anyway.. with them built to enclose.. a simular idea for packing your gear could maybe fit in there.
 
And I've seen those backpack things for hauling wood...but the strap went up and over the head to set on the forehead while being carried. 
 
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That would be the 'cradleboard'....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cradleboard

And the strap would be the 'tumpline'.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumpline

Wolfy-pedia you sir are a plethora of knowledge!   :hail:
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Re: My Improvise Ruck Sack And Frame.
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2013, 12:40:20 PM »
Quote from: WI_Woodsman on April 06, 2013, 11:59:52 AM
Quote from: wolfy on April 06, 2013, 11:41:56 AM
Quote from: WoodsWoman on April 06, 2013, 10:44:49 AM
How about a back pack built simular to what the Native Indian Women had for carrying their young on their backs?   If I remember right the hides on them enclosed around the child to hold them in.   I'm completely blanking out on what those were called or I'd go look them up.    Anyway.. with them built to enclose.. a simular idea for packing your gear could maybe fit in there.
 
And I've seen those backpack things for hauling wood...but the strap went up and over the head to set on the forehead while being carried. 
 
WW.

That would be the 'cradleboard'....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cradleboard

And the strap would be the 'tumpline'.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumpline

Wolfy-pedia you sir are a plethora of knowledge!   :hail:

So you would say he has a plethora of knowledge?



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Re: My Improvise Ruck Sack And Frame.
« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2013, 12:57:29 PM »
Es verdad, yo soy muy guapo tambien! 8)



Good thing I caught that iPad 'correction'......it changed 'guapo' to 'guano'!  :doh:

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Re: My Improvise Ruck Sack And Frame.
« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2013, 03:37:42 PM »
Yes.. those are the names I was looking for. :)   Yer da man, Wolfy. :)
 
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Re: My Improvise Ruck Sack And Frame.
« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2013, 03:47:47 PM »
Plethora, probably entered my vocabulary when I first saw, The Three Amegos!   :rofl:
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« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2013, 03:48:42 PM »
Great post, and it has evolved into an informative thread! :thumbsup:
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« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2013, 03:49:27 PM »
Would you say a dearth is the opposite of a plethora?
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Re: My Improvise Ruck Sack And Frame.
« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2013, 07:22:10 PM »
Quote from: PetrifiedWood on April 06, 2013, 03:49:27 PM
Would you say a dearth is the opposite of a plethora?

Lol, It's antithesis indeed! :cheers:
 
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« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2013, 08:58:58 PM »
Great looking ruck and frame! Careful now, you just took the first step to an addiction.... :)
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Re: My Improvise Ruck Sack And Frame.
« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2013, 09:00:04 PM »
Canadian use of "dearth" (for those who keep track of such things):

"D'earth, she is covered wid snow."

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« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2013, 08:17:29 AM »
Quote from: Nature Boy on April 06, 2013, 08:58:58 PM
Great looking ruck and frame! Careful now, you just took the first step to an addiction.... :)

I may be already addicted, good thing I joined this support group (Blades & Bushcraft)!   ;)
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« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2013, 12:08:33 PM »
Looks good!
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« Reply #30 on: April 09, 2013, 03:54:40 PM »
Excellent project!  Thanks for posting this one up.

Definitely Good Stuff!

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