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Offline hayshaker

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kitchen knives
« on: March 25, 2018, 09:23:30 PM »
just had some company over today and while giving them the nickel
tour of the shop. the inquired if i could make them a knife.
sure i said. so a few hours later after they had left. i called
them back and asked how would they like a knife they could use
all the time instead of a wall hanger as they first suggested.
so anyhow i've decided to make a few,  and use some of my old
chicago cutlery knives as templates. but spice up the scales
using wavey ash and yellow box burl.  instead of traditional
walnut. i'll use 1/8th 1095 to start with, for samples.
then order some 5/32th 1095 later, anyhow any thoughts on this
venture?

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Re: kitchen knives
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2018, 09:42:42 PM »
I suppose a Chef's knife would be pretty useful for this type of gift.  It would get used quite a bit and as long as they cared for it properly and kept it out of the dishwasher it would work with 1095. 
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Re: kitchen knives
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2018, 11:31:53 PM »
If you're making a set for the kitchen, I'd like to suggest one be a 5"-6" Santoku pattern with (or without) a Granton edge.  They would learn to love it, even if they'd never heard of one before.  ;D
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Re: kitchen knives
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2018, 05:47:47 AM »
If you're making a set for the kitchen, I'd like to suggest one be a 5"-6" Santoku pattern with (or without) a Granton edge.  They would learn to love it, even if they'd never heard of one before.  ;D

Never heard of Granton edge. Had it defined by the goog. Eh?  :shrug:
In some ways I see little difference in end use, type, style of use between a santoku or chef knife. Imo one defining difference might be the thinness of a good santouku. Mine is around 6". If I had one kitchen knife that would be it. Add  a stiff boning knife- if I only had two. The third would be much harder to choose.

So yeah, I agree a santoku is a good suggestion if one were making a gift knife for kitchen. Here's the rub though- gotta be hidden tang to get the right feel/balance- imho of course.
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Re: kitchen knives
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2018, 09:40:22 AM »
My Santoku is 5 1/2" and has a very subtle Granton. I don't think  it is of much help. My son's is a quality one he used in the restaurants, and has an aggressive Granton (Kulliens?). I've noticed that does well on blocks of cheese, keeping the product from sticking to the blade.
Be that as it may, to produce a quality Santoku would require a re-thinking of the metallurgy normal for making "bush knives".  To make the blade thin and get just the right hardness on the edge would be tricky, I would think.
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Re: kitchen knives
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2018, 02:52:48 AM »
just what is a granton? is that the curve on the front?

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Re: kitchen knives
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2018, 09:16:51 AM »
just what is a granton? is that the curve on the front?
It is the style of knife that has shallow convolutions or divots ground into the sides of the blade.  The first ones I ever saw were present on the long straight slicers we used for slicing prime rib portions at the convention center I worked in back in the early '80s.  They help to break the suction or drag that occurs when slicing meat or vegetables.
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Re: kitchen knives
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2018, 02:11:16 PM »
just what is a granton? is that the curve on the front?
It is the style of knife that has shallow convolutions or divots ground into the sides of the blade.  The first ones I ever saw were present on the long straight slicers we used for slicing prime rib portions at the convention center I worked in back in the early '80s.  They help to break the suction or drag that occurs when slicing meat or vegetables.
The Granton Edge has the flutes Wolfy described. They are found on carving knives (re: Wolfy again), but more often on Santoku knives.  You can find out more about it with a Google search.  Also called Kullens.  Wiki has a good description of them including how they differ from Chef's knives in thickness and grind angle.
I'm not sure how hard it would be to put a Granton edge on a homemade knife.
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« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2018, 07:31:11 PM »
well this santoku won't have a granton edge.
it will have masur birch scales and mabey a black canvas micarta guard w-brass pins.
i just like full tang knives. right now it's in the oven destressing.
will post a snapshot as i progress.

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Re: kitchen knives
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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2018, 12:13:00 AM »
 :thumbsup: :cheers:
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« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2018, 12:16:19 AM »
well this santoku won't have a granton edge.
it will have masur birch scales and mabey a black canvas micarta guard w-brass pins.
i just like full tang knives. right now it's in the oven destressing.
will post a snapshot as i progress.
I'm with you on the full tang. One thing about Santoku knives is their unique handle profile.
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Re: kitchen knives
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2018, 07:24:39 PM »
well here's a few more ready for the kiln.
the two long ones are 1/8th in 1095.
the chopper is 5/32 1095.
i have a different style one i'll start on in the morning.

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Re: kitchen knives
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2018, 05:35:39 PM »
Good job Mikey.  Those look like great kitchen tools.
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« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2018, 12:06:58 PM »
Wow. What a great set.
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Re: kitchen knives
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2018, 08:00:35 PM »
thanks greg, gotta few more i'm doing.
then it's back to bushcraft knives.
my niece just asked me to make her a couple
of kitchen knives i'm still working on just what she wants,