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Happy Birthday
« on: August 15, 2022, 10:19:27 AM »
August marks the 87th anniversary of Social Security. A program initiated under FDR that changed a number of things for the better in our nation. While there are pimprovements that can be made the program makes a big difference for a large portion of Citizens of a certain age in addition to many others regardless of age. Despite the constant disinformation  we hear over and over about SS going broke (it's not) or how SS can't remain solvent (it can) SS does what it always has. It helps Citizens

Not a usual holiday but maybe it should be.
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Re: Happy Birthday
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2022, 04:51:26 PM »
Having paid into SS for 51 years before I retired on it, I'd suggest any politician who tries to take it away from me take my guns first, or get some REALLY good body armor.  I wouldn't even offer him a blindfold and a cigarette.
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Re: Happy Birthday
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2022, 04:14:51 AM »
There is literally not one politician that has advocated taking away social security.  There are plenty that have said they want to take away your guns.

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Re: Happy Birthday
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2022, 06:30:55 AM »
Sorry Crash but there are literally politicians who have and are working to make SS disappear. 

GW tried it and fell flat. Other Republican politicians are doing it today. That's  just fact.
Democratic politicians won't touch the issue. Maybe they recall Ike's statement on the issue? 

In any case SS does make a positive difference for a lot of Citizens and dependents.

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Re: Happy Birthday
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2022, 05:38:33 AM »
You are certainly entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.  Privatizing a small portion of SS in order for recipients to benefit is not doing away with SS.  Our politicians (all of them) have been using money earmarked for SS for their pet projects, replacing the money with an IOU.  At some point the system will collapse.

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Re: Happy Birthday
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2022, 07:00:28 AM »
I have never heard anything explaining SS in this unique way but if that's an opinion then that's what it is.

Reagan started dipping into the SS Trust Funds (Notice the Trust part) as well as taxing the returns. That was a while ago and maybe we forgot. The drive to privatize SS is long standing among some politicians of a certain mindset. These are well documented in the  public record and continue today. I do not recall any "small part" privatization ploy. Maybe I missed that part? Regardless the latest ploy is to sunset SS authorization  every five years the passage of which into law is unlikely.

The idea the system will collapse at some point is a favorite canard of some politicians. It could have certainly be engineered at some point but the fact is any necessary fix is very straightforward and simple - raise the current cap on income exclusion. A solution that is also unlikely to pass at this time.

I agree the SS Trust should not br used as an off the books piggy bank.

I support SS as it was intended. Always have. Others may disagree. That's the way things work.








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Re: Happy Birthday
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2022, 09:36:15 AM »
Some of us prepared for  retirement. I
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Re: Happy Birthday
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2022, 11:05:23 AM »
Some of us prepared for  retirement. I

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Re: Happy Birthday
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2022, 02:27:33 PM »
It's a wise choice to prepare for retirement no doubt. Those that can should but not all can. Social Security Insurance (note the Insurance part) provides some support for those unable to work like minor children, the seriously impaired as well as Citizens who fall victim to structural inequities of our financial system or disease and illness the eradicates in short order savings intended for retirement.

SSI is not overly generous by any stretch of the imagination but for many it makes the difference between a roof snd a meal or nothing.

Undoubtedly there are some among us who respond with the equivalent of "Let them die", the well known response to expanding health care access. But psychological issues and considerations of basic humanity are not the primary focus  of the topic. I hope not anyway.

Of course there is always the option of not accepting SSI benefits. A choice one of the most vocal opponents of the system did not make when the time came.

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Re: Happy Birthday
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2022, 03:46:21 PM »

Undoubtedly there are some among us who respond with the equivalent of "Let them die", the well known response to expanding health care access. But psychological issues and considerations of basic humanity are not the primary focus  of the topic. I hope not anyway.



Throwing out pejoratives like this seems to be nothing more than trolling to start a fight.  If you have names, then name them....otherwise stop it!!!!

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« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2022, 04:48:28 PM »
Speaking generally only the observation was not intended to be site specific.  Neither trolling or looking to start a fight. If any infractions occurred I apologize.

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Re: Happy Birthday
« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2022, 05:45:51 AM »
I have never heard anything explaining SS in this unique way but if that's an opinion then that's what it is.

Reagan started dipping into the SS Trust Funds (Notice the Trust part) as well as taxing the returns. That was a while ago and maybe we forgot. The drive to privatize SS is long standing among some politicians of a certain mindset. These are well documented in the  public record and continue today. I do not recall any "small part" privatization ploy. Maybe I missed that part? Regardless the latest ploy is to sunset SS authorization  every five years the passage of which into law is unlikely.

The idea the system will collapse at some point is a favorite canard of some politicians. It could have certainly be engineered at some point but the fact is any necessary fix is very straightforward and simple - raise the current cap on income exclusion. A solution that is also unlikely to pass at this time.

I agree the SS Trust should not br used as an off the books piggy bank.

I support SS as it was intended. Always have. Others may disagree. That's the way things work.

 That's Bull $hitt right there, Reagan didn't start the dipping, that's been going on ever since before FDR's signature was dry on the paper making it law, and it's the left that's done most of the dipping in order to fund their pet social change policies.
 And as far as the "Let them die" quip, that was a progressive's attempt to smear conservatives with a broad brush just like the "Tossing Granny off the cliff" remark that became such a favorite of the left, like Crash said, you're intitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.
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Re: Happy Birthday
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2022, 09:22:08 AM »
As far as not choosing to accept SS payments to me (and Kelly),  that's our money.  And we've payed into it for 50 years or so.  However,  we lived for 5 years before Kelly retired on well below our retirement income.
Of course I have empathy for those less fortunate.  I have no sympathy for those who choose not to work (bust their a$$) and "plan" to suck off our blood, sweat, and tears to support them in their retirement.  Rent control, minimum wage, and paying women to make babies for government money are at the bottom of my respect list.  All of this is  result of demanding a nanny state from the left.
 F 'm.  I do what I can for vets.  And I just cry when a vet is in need and doesn't get it.  And I come home to news of purple haired do gooders, who never served this country in any way whining about rights and special priveledges.  I want to vomit.

Ok.  I better quit.
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Re: Happy Birthday
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2022, 09:48:22 AM »
Max, As much as I appreciate health care provided at the VA we generally don't treat some vets as well as they deserve and earned, especially combat vets.

I agree SSI is an earned benefit. But people who don't support the idea are not forced to accept the benefit. Same with Medicare which we also pay into all along the way.

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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2022, 10:03:26 AM »
We could've opted out?  I'm sorry but I'm ignorant of that.  And since "they" told me to sign up at 13 bailing hay I just kept shoveling it in.  I probably would have done it any way back then.  I've done my time with the unfortunates trying to help.  Maybe I'm just old and crusty. 
If I still ran a landscape company,  I'd likely have a bunch of Mexicans busting ass to get the paycheck.  And happy for it.  USA kids?  They wouldn't last a day.
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« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2022, 10:57:01 AM »
I have never heard anything explaining SS in this unique way but if that's an opinion then that's what it is.

Reagan started dipping into the SS Trust Funds (Notice the Trust part) as well as taxing the returns. That was a while ago and maybe we forgot. The drive to privatize SS is long standing among some politicians of a certain mindset. These are well documented in the  public record and continue today. I do not recall any "small part" privatization ploy. Maybe I missed that part? Regardless the latest ploy is to sunset SS authorization  every five years the passage of which into law is unlikely.

The idea the system will collapse at some point is a favorite canard of some politicians. It could have certainly be engineered at some point but the fact is any necessary fix is very straightforward and simple - raise the current cap on income exclusion. A solution that is also unlikely to pass at this time.

I agree the SS Trust should not br used as an off the books piggy bank.

I support SS as it was intended. Always have. Others may disagree. That's the way things work.

 That's Bull $hitt right there, Reagan didn't start the dipping, that's been going on ever since before FDR's signature was dry on the paper making it law, and it's the left that's done most of the dipping in order to fund their pet social change policies.
 And as far as the "Let them die" quip, that was a progressive's attempt to smear conservatives with a broad brush just like the "Tossing Granny off the cliff" remark that became such a favorite of the left, like Crash said, you're intitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

Well Moe, Simply calling something bs just because you happen to disagree might be better supported by some evidence, especially when interpretations of events I witnessed in real time so markedly differ from reality.

Financing for Social  Security and Survivors Benefits Act of 1935 has been amended and adjusted over the years but remains basically unchanged. Since General Obligation Bonds may be issued by the Treasury to support SSI revenue it has been suggested that amounts to borrowing by politicians and but that seems a distinctly minority opinion. The role of Reagan administration machinations in accounting schemes in response to legislation concerning budgeting requirements is explained in - Research Note #20, Research Notes and Special Studies by the Historians Office at ssa.gov. The effects of the change in budgeting and spending laws was well chronicled at the time in popular mass media.

Please note I am not an Economist and am relying in large part on published official research.

There is no need to fabricate anything in an attempt to malign either Liberals or Conservatives. Simply recognizing their own words and deeds is often sufficient. I always maintain the issues we face and often argue are not primarily or even secondarily matters of Left/Right, Liberal/Conservative or any of the standard accepted pairings of opposites. Divide et Imperium works just as well today as it did many years ago and for the same reasons


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« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2022, 08:13:57 AM »
I have never heard anything explaining SS in this unique way but if that's an opinion then that's what it is.

Reagan started dipping into the SS Trust Funds (Notice the Trust part) as well as taxing the returns. That was a while ago and maybe we forgot. The drive to privatize SS is long standing among some politicians of a certain mindset. These are well documented in the  public record and continue today. I do not recall any "small part" privatization ploy. Maybe I missed that part? Regardless the latest ploy is to sunset SS authorization  every five years the passage of which into law is unlikely.

The idea the system will collapse at some point is a favorite canard of some politicians. It could have certainly be engineered at some point but the fact is any necessary fix is very straightforward and simple - raise the current cap on income exclusion. A solution that is also unlikely to pass at this time.

I agree the SS Trust should not br used as an off the books piggy bank.

I support SS as it was intended. Always have. Others may disagree. That's the way things work.

 That's Bull $hitt right there, Reagan didn't start the dipping, that's been going on ever since before FDR's signature was dry on the paper making it law, and it's the left that's done most of the dipping in order to fund their pet social change policies.
 And as far as the "Let them die" quip, that was a progressive's attempt to smear conservatives with a broad brush just like the "Tossing Granny off the cliff" remark that became such a favorite of the left, like Crash said, you're intitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

Well Moe, Simply calling something bs just because you happen to disagree might be better supported by some evidence, especially when interpretations of events I witnessed in real time so markedly differ from reality.

Financing for Social  Security and Survivors Benefits Act of 1935 has been amended and adjusted over the years but remains basically unchanged. Since General Obligation Bonds may be issued by the Treasury to support SSI revenue it has been suggested that amounts to borrowing by politicians and but that seems a distinctly minority opinion. The role of Reagan administration machinations in accounting schemes in response to legislation concerning budgeting requirements is explained in - Research Note #20, Research Notes and Special Studies by the Historians Office at ssa.gov. The effects of the change in budgeting and spending laws was well chronicled at the time in popular mass media.

Please note I am not an Economist and am relying in large part on published official research.

There is no need to fabricate anything in an attempt to malign either Liberals or Conservatives. Simply recognizing their own words and deeds is often sufficient. I always maintain the issues we face and often argue are not primarily or even secondarily matters of Left/Right, Liberal/Conservative or any of the standard accepted pairings of opposites. Divide et Imperium works just as well today as it did many years ago and for the same reasons

 Well Boomer, Apparently that's your problem, you read too damned much and you believe every word you read in the way you interpret it, whether it's social, economic, political, or scientific, you my friend are a great example of too much education mixed with too little intellectual capacity, I expect that you probably suffer from headaches allot.
 I honestly don't know why you persist in demonizing the very people you are trying to socialize with, without a doubt the majority of the members of this forum (as many as there are left anyway) have a very conservative bent, most don't agree with your views on politics or man made global warming, in that respect you simply don't fit in here (in my opinion) and while you are well within your rights to have and express your views and opinions openly, sometimes just because you can doesn't mean that it's the right thing to do.
 As an outdoors person who appears to be skilled in self reliance skills and living somewhat off the grid you are a welcomed member and contributor to this forum, but as far as your progressive views are concerned you really aren't endearing yourself to this group in any meaningful way, something you might want to consider for however much longer this venue is available to us as a group.
 Am I telling you to shut up, no, I'm just suggesting that your politics is a segue leading to irritation and argument that we can do without most of the time.
 Am I suggesting that the members not discuss politics, religion, or other controversial subjects, no, I am suggesting that being a square peg doesn't make you a good fit for a round hole, think before you speak, if you show up at a dinner party wearing a favorite cologne, it's usually fine, but if you show up wearing Ode de Skunk, you may not find any sitting room next to the other guests.
 You know that most of your political views are not those normally held by most of this forums membership, why piss them off needlessly if that is not your intent, if it is your intent it's called trolling. 
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Re: Happy Birthday
« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2022, 05:28:01 PM »
Well Moe, the issue at hand is not my popularity or lack of it, cologne or lack of it but the comments to the OP remarking on the anniversary of Social Security.  i benefit from  SS, I appreciate it and I trust others do too. After all it is an earned benefit.

In a public forum like this there may different opinions on a lot of things including SS. That's good in my view.  When comments are made that seem factual but are not then one should attempt to correct the record. That is how knowledge is shared regardless of the topic.

I'm only guessing but possibly you did not investigate the information offered?

Not everyone who disagrees with you is intellectually deficient Moe.  Although that is an interesting attitude. Nor is a suggestion fact does not support your comments trolling.

There are fewer topics related to either blades or bushlore on here than previously. Across different sections new topics are scarce and the practice of reviving old threads is the same. At one time it seems this was a robust site with international participation.

I was going to note the anniversary  of Elvis Presley's passing recently but didn't. Seeing how controversial noting SS became that was probably a good idea.

In any case for those who draw it, enjoy SS. It's been around for a while and has been beneficial for a lot of Citizens. Happy Birthday SS



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Re: Happy Birthday
« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2022, 11:04:17 PM »
Thanks for sticking around, Boomer; you have much more patience than I can muster.  Catch you somewhere down the line, I hope.
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« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2022, 04:06:09 AM »
Thanks for sticking around, Boomer; you have much more patience than I can muster.  Catch you somewhere down the line, I hope.
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Re: Happy Birthday
« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2022, 04:48:24 AM »
Well Moe, the issue at hand is not my popularity or lack of it, cologne or lack of it but the comments to the OP remarking on the anniversary of Social Security.  i benefit from  SS, I appreciate it and I trust others do too. After all it is an earned benefit.

In a public forum like this there may different opinions on a lot of things including SS. That's good in my view.  When comments are made that seem factual but are not then one should attempt to correct the record. That is how knowledge is shared regardless of the topic.

I'm only guessing but possibly you did not investigate the information offered?

Not everyone who disagrees with you is intellectually deficient Moe.  Although that is an interesting attitude. Nor is a suggestion fact does not support your comments trolling.

There are fewer topics related to either blades or bushlore on here than previously. Across different sections new topics are scarce and the practice of reviving old threads is the same. At one time it seems this was a robust site with international participation.

I was going to note the anniversary  of Elvis Presley's passing recently but didn't. Seeing how controversial noting SS became that was probably a good idea.

In any case for those who draw it, enjoy SS. It's been around for a while and has been beneficial for a lot of Citizens. Happy Birthday SS

 Well Boomer, allot of what you said in your post above is in part correct, I'll leave you to decide which parts specifically, but you right in that not everyone that I disagree with or that disagrees with me is intellectually challenged, however, it's been my experience that depending on where they received their education and what they majored in makes a big difference in their ideological make up, and how they interpret what they've learned and even how they view the world around them.
 But I'm getting off track again, this is not really a reply to your above post it's more in regard to my post to which you replied, after posting it I didn't give it another thought, you and I have been disagreeing on matters political almost from the day you registered here as a member, so our posts were just more of the same old /same old.
 But this morning I woke up thinking about what I wrote in my post, and it didn't sit well with me, so I logged on to B&B as is my usual with my first coffee of the day, but this time it was to apologize to you for what I wrote and the manner in which I wrote it, I said in my post that you have a right to your opinions (doesn't matter if they are right or wrong according to Moe), they are yours, you also have a right to express them openly, I do when I feel like it, I shouldn't expect anything different from you, I'd like to think that I'm bigger than that.
 So, to wrap it up, everyone has buttons that if pressed pisses them off, I'm no different, I just need to work harder at controlling how I react when someone pushes one of mine, so again my friend, I apologize for my rudeness.   
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« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2022, 08:09:20 AM »
Thank you Moe, I appreciate and accept the apology.  No harm done.

We are in interesting times but we're in them together.

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« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2022, 01:14:48 PM »
Thank you Moe, I appreciate and accept the apology.  No harm done.

We are in interesting times but we're in them together.

 Yes we are, I pray that more people come to that realization as the times get "more interesting" as I believe they will before or if they ever do straighten out. 
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