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Offline Moe M.

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General preparedness expanded
« on: August 21, 2022, 08:26:49 AM »

 Well folks, we're going into the last stretch of another year and about to start in on another, unfortunately the new year is not looking like we had all hoped it would, a new "inflation fighting bill" has just passed and the President was only too happy to sign it into law, it promises to increase gov. spending and drive inflation to new heights.
 The left's green agenda has wiped out our energy independence and bankrupting the poor and middle class with high gas, home heating fuel, higher energy costs, and food prices, shortages of everything from baby formular to computer chips and everything in between are causing massive manufacturing and distribution problems, again resulting in higher cost to the consumer. 
 In addition too the much higher cost of living, crime in many areas of the country is increasing at an alarming rate, and while our state and local police are doing their best (most state and local agencies are understaffed) leftist criminal justice agencies from Attorneys General to DA's, to judges are letting the criminals back out on the streets in most cases with no bail, which encourages and emboldens them into committing more crimes against the public, and all the while arresting and prosecuting civilians who act to defend themselves, it's insane.
 On another note, our Borders are still unsecured, illegals (Yes, I said illegals, not undocumented, because they are criminals who have entered our country illegally) are flooding into the country by the thousands each and every day, and they are being welcomed at the border with a handshake and well wishes by this administration, they are given shelter, food, money, and drivers licenses (ID's), and then they are bussed in secret to unsuspecting communities all over the country which are forced to support them (at least in the short term, and many of them have in blue states been placed on the voter registration rolls.
 Along with the un vetted illegals coming through our borders are huge amounts of illegal drugs that are being used in making other drugs that look less than lethal some even made to look like candy, many are laced with Fentanyl which are deadly, and they are killing Americans especially young people at alarming rates.
 As if all of the above is not enough, all of our Constitutional Rights are under attack by this administration and it's outside allies, Free political Speach, the right to assemble, the Right to seek Redress or criticize the gov., Religion is under attack, Privacy Right are all but gone, warrantless searches are being served unconstitutionally, people are being arrested and held without cause or charges being leveled against them just for disagreeing with speaking out against gov. injustices.
 Who's paying for all of this, We The People are, the administration just spent billions of our tax dollars to hire 78,000 new IRS agents, thousands of 9mm pistols, and millions or rounds of hollow point ammunition to arm those agents, seems to me the IRS was working OK as is, why the need for all of those new federal agents, why do IRS accountants need to carry automatic weapons to conduct audits ?
 And lastly (for now), why is the gov. pushing so hard to disarm it's law abiding citizens while increasing the number of armed federal agents three fold, That's not what the Second Amendment addresses or insures, or am I just being paranoid ?
 
 OK, I got carried away again, sorry.   :shrug:

 I think the last time we talked about prepping for hard times was about six months ago give or take, and since then I've added some more short term (five years or less) supplies to our emergency pantry, plus a few long term items (25 years or so), at pushing 80 I'm probably being overly optimistic  :lol:, but what we don't use can go to the kids and grand kids.
 I also increased my water purification capacity a bit and I've been taking stock of my camping and bush crafting gear (no I'm not intending to bug out or live in a tent) such as my camp and backpacking stoves and fuel, bush pots and water bottles, ferro rods, knives, paracord, and stuff.
 I've also added a moderator to my air rifle preps and put away a few more thousand .177-.20-and .22 cal. pellets, I certainly have way more pellets than I'll ever need, but they will make good bartering and trade items if things get that bad.
 I've also been researching and experimenting with Depression era cooking or what some call Struggle meals using not so normal and substitution ingredients to come up with healthy and good tasting recipes, it is a fun and interesting pastime that may end up paying dividends for us if the shortages get worse, prices get higher, or the economy tanks, all of those possibilities are on the table in the times we find our selves in.
 Well, if you've gotten through this whole post without giving up or falling asleep, share with us what you all have been doing (if anything) in the way of improving your emergency preps.       

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Re: General preparedness expanded
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2022, 09:25:56 AM »
Similar preps.  Water is my weakness but I have a plan for collecting water here in FL.  As long as I stay ahead of the curve , rain will keep us up.  Then there's the springs.

I'm good with the pew pews and freedom seeds.
 
Com is several mobile hams and a base with 100w of power before the amp.  Kinda getting into antenna building.  I get some pretty diverse news.

Other than that my preps will stay close to the vest.  Just in case some meth head is reading this...I got one for ya.
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Re: General preparedness expanded
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2022, 12:57:20 PM »
Jumping past the political diatribe and disinformation, my preparations are changing a bit also.

I have been planting  drought resistant heirloom strains of crops for a while but increasing temps are causing long dormant periods in what used to be growing periods. Bush beans flowered early then were cooked with 103F + temps (in the shade) and are only now emerging from dormancy with a few flowers. No beans this year. 

I have sufficient water for the small amount of food grown but am planning on having to switch both plants and methods. That will likely be frequently necessary as things develop. Still looking at dried corn and beans as staples to store since that combo provides complete aminos and stores well.

After making it on corn, beans , salsa and cheese years ago I know it can be done.  Add a dozen chickens or so and things should be ok in the kitchen if it comes to that.

From hat to boots I'm ok for all four seasons and with about  a billion cottontails per square foot (encouraged  guests so far) there's planty of active protein running around. The closet grocery store is about 6 miles away on the rez so there's that too

I'm not overly concerned with ravenous hordes rampaging through intent on raping the dog and kicking the wife scenarios since in general folks likely won't pit up with that or a bunch of "militia" punks either. That stuff definitely doesn't fly here.

The big problem here and everywhere is climate disruption. And that, of course, we can only speculate about at this time. Clearly things are becoming more challenging and stressful for everyone. Denial seems to still be in fashion and will probably remain so despite anything reported or observed. Just the way things are. People are still moving to the SW even as they're told up front the current social structure is collapsing. Go figure.

As always these "Are the best of times and the worst of times ..." or something like that.








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Re: General preparedness expanded
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2022, 03:28:36 PM »
things are actually much worse than Moe thinks.  The US government has been taken over by communists, or oligarchs, or someone, and the country is being destroyed.  Voting won't help, as the left wing and the right wing are part of the same bird.  Lock and load,  know who your friends are (and your enemies) and work on the mindset that will allow you to survive.
The brainwashed are going to continue to bleat about 'climate change' being the cause of our woes, but it's not.  Of course. 

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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2022, 05:45:57 AM »
No wonder this site is dying. :-\

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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2022, 06:42:22 AM »
No wonder this site is dying. :-\

 This forum is dying for quite a few reasons, in the beginning it was born out of controversy, and was safe place to land for those who were being banned from  BCUSA or dissatisfied with their moderating policies and strict adherence to their forum's policies, it was also a small enough forum that all of it's members felt like they were actually part of a community and that when they voiced an opinion or a concern, it was listened to and addressed, usually immediately.
 But when it got it's legs it began to change, the owners for what ever reason left the day to day running of the forum to a couple of moderators, one of which ran rough shod over members he didn't like, disagreed with, or didn't like the content of some of their posts, over a couple of years many of those original members passed, were run out, or left because of repeated insults from the moderator.
 Then it ran well for a while, but little by small some of the older members just drifted or faded from the rolls until we've come to where we are, just a few original members, most too old to be bush wacking or spending days in the woods building shelters and creating camps, new younger potential members will lurk, not finding what they are looking for and will join up with BCUSA or some other outdoor forum because it's more action oriented and has more woodsy and self reliance knowledge being shared.
 And that my friend is why this site is breathing it's last, it has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing about political ideologies or discussions about religion and everything to do with nobody caring enough about knives, bush craft, or self reliance skills to keep it alive, we've become just a handful of patriots and socialist sitting around their laptops bickering about which one is right and which one is lying (pun intended).
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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2022, 08:22:12 AM »
"... patriots and socialist.. " attitudes is the primary reason for the decline of the site. The basic assumption of participation has always included a far right conspiracist outlook and ostracizing those who disagreed. When assertions about "stolen election" are accepted as usual chat (Mannlicher recently) or any number of dead children is acceptable re AR type weapon discussions (Moe recently) or the idea "White men with guns have spoken" (Wolfy?) post election in 2016 was acceptable and lauded or the discredited fin de sicle eugenics claims became abundant around then or the vitriol directed at "Socialists" (ironically by members with careers in actual functioning socialist based agencies such as Police and military) or the many outright denials of human contributions to Climate problems such as it is not happening or glaciers are enlarging (Moe recently but reflecting the general attitude) the history tends to reflect the general pattern of hostility and exclusion members seem to desire. The attitude has been often openly displayed when members preferring fact based views are invited to leave by the coterie of far right conspiracists remaining including snide remarks by moderator (Crash) which included to either name names as  is done here or "Shut Up" in the interweb equivalent of shouting. This was the Moderators instruction that was followed as required.

The site is moribund because of  what it has become.  At one time it was lively and growing with burgeoning international membership. The irony is that it could have been again. There were a number of ways the site could have maintained the growth of earlier years but instead allowed itself to be drawn into the current death spiral.

Citizens and guests on public forums may have differing opinions on just about anything from knives to tarps to politics. On a site dedicated to open discussions, which I fully support, toleration of all ideas and view points is the sine qua non of success. The curmudgeonly diatribes of a few superannuated "leaders" proved too bitter a vinegar for those seeking a taste of honey and comradeship in a shared interest of the outdoors.

Other bushcraft and outdoors sites continue to be successful simply because they remain inclusive to a degree never achieved here. That is a shame and waste of talent, knowledge and opportunity. It might be worth considering how many potential members of the bushcraft and outdoors community have been dissuaded from participation by the rampaging nonsense of a few more intent on pushing a political diatribe at the expense of everything else. They made the site they wanted and now we reap the returns.

 

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Re: General preparedness expanded
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2022, 10:43:29 AM »
''White men with guns have spoken?'' :shrug:  I'd appreciate learning where that quote came from.  I don't recall ever having said that, but if I did, I'd like to see it with my own eyes! :rolleyes:
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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2022, 10:57:17 AM »
Yeah I questioned that quote too.  Didn't sound like something you'd throw out on the internet.
But maybe boomer saw something we didn't.
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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2022, 11:57:57 AM »
I recall the remark very clearly right after Trump was elected president. It included an apology to PW as well. I could not find the post in the archives however, so the attribution is from memory. Hence the question mark. I was not a member at the time, just reading through but it certainly made an impression.

If the post was incorrectly attributed please accept my apology. 

Edit: It seems the thread containing the response noted above was moved by PW on November 28, 2016 to Private Discussions from the General Discussion area. With one unrelated exception there are no records I could find for 2016 in the Top Secret area. In fairness any attribution would be based on memory so it should be withdrawn.
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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2022, 12:10:39 PM »
Calling someone racist then saying "oopsy" don't get it.  The damage is done.

I hope you get thrown out of here on your ass boomer.
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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2022, 03:06:53 PM »
The attribution may have been an error. Recalling the post was not. I read it I remember it. And it is not the first time that comment has been mentioned.

The comment was made. It was accepted at the time.

Of course, since records of that period do not seem to be available, at least that I can find, we cannot say who did or did not make the comment. Thus the apology.





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Re: General preparedness expanded
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2022, 03:55:07 PM »
MAY have been an error?  You're damn right it is an 'error!'  I know for a fact that I never posted anything even close to something like that and saying that I did is an egregious attack on my reputation.  What an a$$hole!! :pissed:
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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2022, 04:15:57 PM »
He has been that more than a few times.  We disagree on about everything but I blocked him months ago so I only see his posts when someone quotes him.  Attributing that statement to you is BS and if he had any semblance of ethics he would simply leave. 
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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2022, 05:15:17 PM »
MAY have been an error?  You're damn right it is an 'error!'  I know for a fact that I never posted anything even close to something like that and saying that I did is an egregious attack on my reputation.  What an a$$hole!! :pissed:

I admitted the error of suggesting it might have been you that made the comment and apologized.

Again, there does not seem to be record of comments for 2016 with one exception that has no bearing. So your denial stands  That is only right.

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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2022, 05:29:08 PM »
He has been that more than a few times.  We disagree on about everything but I blocked him months ago so I only see his posts when someone quotes him.  Attributing that statement to you is BS and if he had any semblance of ethics he would simply leave.

A more skeptical person might note the objection to the attribution but not the comment itself.  In the first case the error is admitted and the apology apparently found wanting, in the second case well, nothing.  That does seem to stretch the question of Ethics. Unless, of course, we're dealing with "Alternative Ethics" about which I have no knowledge.

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Re: General preparedness expanded
« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2022, 04:28:35 AM »
I want to be fair.  Really I do.  I have cautioned boomer (and others) about seeming to want to start an argument with the majority of their posts.  I think most members are tired of it.

I went and found the discussion in question.  Boomer stated the quote was white men with guns have spoken.  While he was close to what was said, he 1) was not close enough and 2) was apparently triggered by an obvious play on words that were used throughout the entire campaign from one side, aimed at the other.  While some may not appreciate the humor, that is exactly what it was.

The actual quote was "So, it appears that the armed, uneducated, white man has spoken. :soap:  :hail: :tent: "

Let's all chill out. 




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Re: General preparedness expanded
« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2022, 07:39:49 AM »
"... patriots and socialist.. " attitudes is the primary reason for the decline of the site. The basic assumption of participation has always included a far right conspiracist outlook and ostracizing those who disagreed. When assertions about "stolen election" are accepted as usual chat (Mannlicher recently) or any number of dead children is acceptable re AR type weapon discussions (Moe recently) or the idea "White men with guns have spoken" (Wolfy?) post election in 2016 was acceptable and lauded or the discredited fin de sicle eugenics claims became abundant around then or the vitriol directed at "Socialists" (ironically by members with careers in actual functioning socialist based agencies such as Police and military) or the many outright denials of human contributions to Climate problems such as it is not happening or glaciers are enlarging (Moe recently but reflecting the general attitude) the history tends to reflect the general pattern of hostility and exclusion members seem to desire. The attitude has been often openly displayed when members preferring fact based views are invited to leave by the coterie of far right conspiracists remaining including snide remarks by moderator (Crash) which included to either name names as  is done here or "Shut Up" in the interweb equivalent of shouting. This was the Moderators instruction that was followed as required.

The site is moribund because of  what it has become.  At one time it was lively and growing with burgeoning international membership. The irony is that it could have been again. There were a number of ways the site could have maintained the growth of earlier years but instead allowed itself to be drawn into the current death spiral.

Citizens and guests on public forums may have differing opinions on just about anything from knives to tarps to politics. On a site dedicated to open discussions, which I fully support, toleration of all ideas and view points is the sine qua non of success. The curmudgeonly diatribes of a few superannuated "leaders" proved too bitter a vinegar for those seeking a taste of honey and comradeship in a shared interest of the outdoors.

Other bushcraft and outdoors sites continue to be successful simply because they remain inclusive to a degree never achieved here. That is a shame and waste of talent, knowledge and opportunity. It might be worth considering how many potential members of the bushcraft and outdoors community have been dissuaded from participation by the rampaging nonsense of a few more intent on pushing a political diatribe at the expense of everything else. They made the site they wanted and now we reap the returns.

   :rofl: :lol:, Sounds like you've been holding on to those feelings for a long time Boomer, I'm happy for you that you were finally able to get them out into the open air, I'll bet you feel lighter in many ways and feel much better overall, letting loose with a good diatribe occasionally is healthy. medicine for the mind so to speak.
   There's allot of truth in what you said above, this forum is mostly made up of Conservatives who have a deep seated love for their God, Constitution, and their guns, for the most part they are extremely self reliant and expect others to be the same, individualism wins out with them every time over collectivism, they recognize the need for a social safety net, there are many reasons why people need help and helping people get back on their feet is a moral thing to do, but that doesn't mean welfare for life.
  Most conservatives these days tend to be short on patients when it come to the lefts constant whining about social injustices, after all, life is not fair or just, some people are born smarter than others, more physically fit than others, some born to wealthy parents, in supportive home, have available higher education, and still others get opportunities that other never do, some folks seem to get all the breaks while others get none.
  You bandy about the word Facts allot, here are a few facts that you and yours seem to ignore allot, most crimes are committed by people of color, they make up about 16% of this country's population yet they make up 75% of our prison population, not because of bias or racism, but because they committed a crime.
  While the left refuses to recognize all the rioting, looting, burning, violent assaults on American citizens and their property by minority groups like Antifa, BLM, and occupy Wall St. (or what ever the new target of choice is today) our cities are still occupied and under attack by criminal looters, thugs, rioters, and paid by the left professional trouble makers, and in those states, cities, and local jurisdictions where the leadership is socialist and the majority of citizens vote Blue it's a hell hole, murders, rapes, assaults, muggings, car jackings, and robberies are the norm.
 Ever wonder why we don't see that kind of news coming out of the Red States, funny, you never include those facts in your presentations.
 You champion gun control (actually against original intent Constitutionally), especially the AR type rifles, why, oh yes, they are killing children by the scores, you cite hundreds of mass shooting each year in the USA, actually those are fuzzy facts, AR type guns don't kill anyone especially children, crazy people kill using those weapons, rival gangs of criminals and drug dealers kill using those weapons, hardened criminals use those kinds of weapons while committing their crimes, in all according to the FBI's uniform crime reports those weapons are used in crimes maybe a hundred times a year, and are not a major factor in our society.
 You may or may not be aware of this but, there are millions of those AR's, AK's, and other black military looking semi auto rifles in the hands of millions of law abiding American Citizens that use them to hunt, target shoot, and compete in shooting events, and they also keep them to defend their families and homes, and also to fulfill their obligation to defend this country against all threats foreign and domestic, look it up, it's in the US Constitution, you know, the one you guys on the left say is obsolete and irrelevant in todays "modern world".
 You say we must ban them, make criminals out of their owners, looks good on paper, but who's going to cooperate, who's going to obey those unconstitutional laws, probably the law abiding citizens who own them, maybe, but I can guarantee you who definitely will not obey any gun control laws and not turn in their AR's, AK's, and other black evil guns, the very people who are using them to commit crimes and kill people, and I can also guarantee you that many people will be left defenseless against those criminals, not to mention that our country will be at the mercy of any tyrant who cares to take it over, I know you don't agree, but as you say, I have a right to voice my opinion.
 To your question, "how many children have to die before we ban those weapons", let me ask you a question, just how many men, women, and children have to die in automobile accidents before we ban automobiles (more people die in automobiles every year than are killed by gun violence or suicide), the numbers are endless, why, because cars are important to people in this country for countless reasons, those deaths by automobile are simply the cost of doing business automobile wise, the Constitutionally protected Second Amendment Right to keep and bear arms is what makes mass shooting the cost of keeping that freedom, and make no mistake, the Second amendment is the one that protects all the others, that's why in the eyes of the left, it has to go.
 Climate change, we hear all manner of horror stories about the end of our world because of Global Warming, scratch that, it didn't work, so we adopted Climate Change as the new Boggy man that we have to dump billions of dollars into on order to save the planet, how many hundreds of millions of years has the earth been repairing itself from natural disasters like floods, earthquakes, forest fires, twisters and hurricanes, meteor strikes, global warming, global cooling (remember the days when the entire globe was covered in ice, BURR), all of a sudden (what a couple of thousand years of cooking and heating fires and a couple of hundred years of the industrial revolution and those stinky horseless carriages and we are doomed, give me a break.
 OK, OK, lets say the sky is falling Global Warming/Climate Change crowd is right, AOC and the squad in Washington say we have 12 years (well 10-1/2 now) before total meltdown, I haven't heard for Al Gore in awhile but I believe he's on board with AOC, I think the big three (WHO, NATO, and the world something or other (the name escapes me at the moment), lets not forget the New Green Deal, and last but not least John Kerry.
 That's a pretty impressive bunch of celebs right there tell us how much trouble we're truly in, scary stuff really, but "They" say all we have to do is throw billions and billions and billions of dollars (there ain't that many dollars in the world but I guess the Fed can keep printing as much as the paper and ink supplys last) at the Global Warming/Climate Change problem and we can reverse it and all be saved.
 Well, that's good news, right up until you ask that big impressive bunch of celebs how they are going to do it, now a more reasonable prediction is that we have until 2050 before it all goes to hell, that gives us 28 years, that's better, but, we are still going to loose the nice caps, seals and polar bears and a few other species are going to go extinct, we're still going to have to deal with famine, heat, all sorts of new illnesses, our diet will change, most of the foods we are used to won't grow in the new environment that Climate Change is predicted to deliver in the meantime between now and day 0, so laboratory created food substitutes and Bugs will make up most of our diet along with some Rice (they say Rice will grow just about anywhere under almost any conditions as long as it has water, which shouldn't be a problem with all that melting ice around us.
 But the unanswered question still remains, what are those Billions upon Billions of dollars of Climate Change fighting monies going to be spent on that's going to stop and reverse what "they" say is total destruction of the world as we know it, inquiring minds want to know, but so far it seems like no one in charge has a plan.

 I don't know why the thought popped into my head, but how many of you folks reading this remember Y2K (the Millennium), for a year or more that's all that was being talked about, it was to be devastating, when the world clock
hit 12:00 midnight on the eve of the year 2000, computers would stop, the world would go dark, no more power, no more records, all would be loss, millions upon millions of dollars were being spent of modifying computers by government and industry across the globe, people were stocking food and water, they were converting their money into silver and gold, topping off their gas tanks, the predictions were terrible, almost as bad as those accompanying the Global Warming/Climate Change predictions.
 And on the morning of the first day of the new millennium people woke up to another day just like the day before, the world hadn't ended, computers still functioned fine, the clocks all worked and were on time, and it was business as usual, well, except for millions of people who bought allot of food that they were probably not going to eat and would eventually end up throwing in the trash when it went bad.
 That's my problem with all this GW/CC stuff, we have a tons of predictions, all bad, and not a hint of a plan except that we have to get solar panels installed on our homes, buy expensive battery powered cars, adopt a vegan diet, and give up all carbon based fuels, give up outdoor cooking, BBQ's, and fire pits, in general give up all those things that are comforting in our lives.
 So, I'll concede that maybe I'm wrong and that maybe GW/CC really exists to the degree they say and that their predictions of gloom and doom are accurate, but what if they aren't, is it like Y2K all over again except with a huge price tag, or could it be worse than that, could it be a plot to create a new world order, create a totally controlled society of slaves and masters, OK, I know, now we're entering Rod Serling territory, but could it be ?
 You all decide for yourselves, but don't do it over a pitcher of Cool Aid, Tang is better, or Gator Aid.    :shrug:

  Personally, I'm not buying any of it until someone shows me a compelling reason and a convincing plan.   :coffee:
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Re: General preparedness expanded
« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2022, 10:56:55 AM »
Boomer has always been argumentative. Moe doesn't help much, and man is he long winded.

Anyway, We are now getting 6 eggs a day and we stored some in a mason jar with 10% pickling LIME. Supposed to keep them day one fresh for up to a year. From hen to solution no washing. kept in a cool dark place. lots of cuccumbers, cantelope, tomatoes, the squash is doing well. No corn the few we planted croaked when we moved them outdoors.
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Re: General preparedness expanded
« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2022, 02:26:08 PM »
I like eggs.
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Re: General preparedness expanded
« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2022, 04:02:54 AM »
Boomer has always been argumentative. Moe doesn't help much, and man is he long winded.

Anyway, We are now getting 6 eggs a day and we stored some in a mason jar with 10% pickling LIME. Supposed to keep them day one fresh for up to a year. From hen to solution no washing. kept in a cool dark place. lots of cuccumbers, cantelope, tomatoes, the squash is doing well. No corn the few we planted croaked when we moved them outdoors.

 What do you mean "Moe doesn't help much", I didn't know I wasn't supposed to keep the conversation going, but you are right, I am long winded, always have been, it's kind of my hallmark  ;), but then again, since this forum doesn't get much action at least Boomer and I are contributing to it's content and longevity by offering informed opinions, giving you something to read, and helping to keep this ship afloat (at least for the time being).
 However, I can offer a suggestion, if our banter irritates you in any way, and my posts are too long, or your attention span too short, I'll remind you that you are in full control of your computer and you still have free will, simply ignore our postings.   :shrug:

 Congrats on your egg production and on your vegetable gardening successes, funny thing about corn, it's really fussy about the soil you grow it in, and it likes lots of company, grow a whole field of it and it does really well, plant just a handful of stalks and they struggle to survive and produce.
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Re: General preparedness expanded
« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2022, 10:43:20 AM »
Transplanting corn doesn't work very well....the root system at that stage is VERY fragile and gets damaged easily.  It's better to just wait 'til the danger of frost is past and then plant several rows that are a week apart so you have more of a chance of getting at least one or two good batches over the course of the growing season. 
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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2022, 04:57:29 PM »
Where I live you need a fence system with a top to grow corn in a garden sized plot.  Electric fence works well for the first week or so. The raccoons are smart and relentless. 
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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2022, 04:59:07 PM »
I like Moe's posts.   :coffee:
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« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2022, 06:47:23 PM »
Well 'stan, would you agree that when everybody thinks alike, nobody thinks very much?
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« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2022, 05:33:05 AM »
Well 'stan, would you agree that when everybody thinks alike, nobody thinks very much?
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 I don't think (no pun intended) I'd go that far, while there is a ring of accuracy in your theory, as in many things, like mindedness generally creates order and kinship while the opposite usually promotes differences, argument, and disorder, this is especially apparent in small fraternal groups such as families, clubs, and forums.
 That's not to say that everyone should think the same in all topics, just because some folks in a group like strawberry ice cream, that doesn't mean everyone in the group has to, while small differences in group can be healthy, huge differences or ones that impact on the whole can be abrasive and can sometimes lead to abhorrent behavior between members, kind of like that crazy old uncle you don't want to invite to Christmas dinner, you know it's not going to end well, but you put up with him anyway,  'cause it's the right thing to do. 
 Generally, people who tend to think alike tend to form associations with other like minded people, but sometimes the differences are too great, for example, there are many folks that love the outdoors, love nature, enjoy the woods, they have a common interest, but one group believes in Leave no Trace, joins PITA, and supports bans on hunting, another group is into hiking, camping, bush crafting, self reliance, they fish and hunt, build cook fires and make shelters out of natural available resources, these two groups are not usually compatible on all levels and probably  shouldn't try to hang out together.
 But if they find themselves thrown together on the same forum at the same time the best way to handle it I think is to as diplomatic as possible and hope for the best.   :shrug:

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Re: General preparedness expanded
« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2022, 05:56:57 AM »

  :spider:  Ok, so with that behind us, and not wanting to get too political  ;) let me pose this question, in 2024 if Trump makes another run for the White House, who here is thinking of supporting his run with their vote ?

 Yup, I know, he is (or was) an outsider, he doesn't speak very presidential, he can be rude, he is definitely argumentative, he's all those things and more, but under his administration we and the rest of the world were in much better shape than we've been in since he left office.

 Any one care to comment ?

 just kidding of course. 
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« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2022, 08:24:09 AM »
Moe, 35 years ago I tried to put D.T. in jail for bribery in a case that involved one of my clients.  His actions were in direct defiance of the fair foreign trade acts of 1977, and cost my client several hundreds of thousands of dollars, but my attorney said it would cost my client more than a million dollars to get the case into court, and that, since DT was "bankrupt" at the moment, he wouldn't even be paying for his own defense.  Since I was familiar with the bankruptcy game in land development, that ticked me off even more; I'd been damaged by that scam a couple of times already.  DT is an amoral scumbag who should never, ever get near the Oval Office again.............. .(removed threat)......  His methods at the end of his reign mirror Hitler and Mussolini's 1935 politics.  Demagogues target the stupid and the undereducated in society, trade on racial hatred and blame-shifting to attract violent allies, and destroy nations.  Would I vote for him?  He's the reason I stockpile ammo.
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Re: General preparedness expanded
« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2022, 12:08:50 PM »
Moe, 35 years ago I tried to put D.T. in jail for bribery in a case that involved one of my clients.  His actions were in direct defiance of the fair foreign trade acts of 1977, and cost my client several hundreds of thousands of dollars, but my attorney said it would cost my client more than a million dollars to get the case into court, and that, since DT was "bankrupt" at the moment, he wouldn't even be paying for his own defense.  Since I was familiar with the bankruptcy game in land development, that ticked me off even more; I'd been damaged by that scam a couple of times already.  DT is an amoral scumbag who should never, ever get near the Oval Office again, ......(removed threat).......  His methods at the end of his reign mirror Hitler and Mussolini's 1935 politics.  Demagogues target the stupid and the undereducated in society, trade on racial hatred and blame-shifting to attract violent allies, and destroy nations.  Would I vote for him?  He's the reason I stockpile ammo.
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 President Trump may very well be amoral, he for sure is a shrewd businessman, and as the leader of this country he took us out of deep recession, put people back to work, equaled the playing field when it came to foreign trade, he gave us a healthy economy, rebuilt the military, straightened out the VA, brought back allot of manufacturing jobs and American businesses, and he stabilized allot of regions of the world and made us safer, and lets not forget that he made this country energy independent again after a long time depending on the mercy of the oil rich countries that were raping us.
 Would you like to compare President Trumps accomplishments next to sleepy Joe's socialist policies, well where to start, under a little over 18 months in office Biden and his minions have managed to drive up inflation to it's highest point in half a century, we are now on the very edge of deeper recession than we've experienced since the late '20's, all the indicators and the observations of top economist across the globe thee US is about to enter a depression that may put the last one to shame, he's has with his foolish spending created a shortage of laborers, teachers, and first responders, the economy is bust, small businesses are going out of style faster than penny loafers, people have lost at least half or more of their retirement saving, the world have lost confidence in America's word, government across the globe don't trust us, but worse, they no longer fears us, this administration has stepped on and dishonored it's oath of office by completely ignoring the Constitution and the rule of law, Constitutional protections and due process mean nothing to this new breed of radical socialist progressives, they are bent on destroying this country in order to reach it's goal of the New Great Reset, and people like you who are so full of yellow Cool Aid and hate are blind to the way you are being used to promote their agenda.
 So my delusional friend, if you have the balls to dispute that this country is in danger of failing, or that because of the new Biden & Company administration we are better off without the type of leadership we derived from President Trump, give it a try, it should prove to be interesting, if not totally amusing.
 I BTW, only a crazy person, a fool, or someone who has lost their power to reason would openly threaten to shoot a sitting or retired President US President.   

 I'm betting on you're "All the Above".
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« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2022, 01:36:42 PM »
Just a note to EVERYBODY.  Threats of any kind will not be tolerated. 
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« Reply #30 on: August 25, 2022, 11:39:46 PM »
Blindfold and a cigarette, son.  Thus always to traitors.  Goodbye.
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« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2022, 04:11:16 PM »
Blindfold and a cigarette, son.  Thus always to traitors.  Goodbye.
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 Ok, I was going to ignore your rantings, obviously you've lost your power of reason, or perhaps you on some kind of mind altering medication, because you and others of your ilk are always screaming the same accusations about President Trump, but you never come up with any evidence, it was your friends who paid for a false report about Trump  and his team colluding with Russian spies to sink Clintons run for the white house, it was your friends in congress, the justice dept, and the FBI who lied to create an investigation, it was your friends who actually levied charges against then president Trump and tried to impeach him, it fell flat when it came out that it was all a fabrication, none of it true, since then the slander, investigations, legal actions against him in DC and in NYC, all failed as well, again because it was all based on lies, everyone with two brain cells to rub together now know that the January 6th. assault on the capital was orchestrated by the left and caried out by the Capital police, it was the capital police that opened the doors to the capital, it was the police that usured the protesters in, it's all on tape and has been shown on TV news shows on FOX, CNBC, and CNN.
 Every charge that has been levied against Pres. Trump has been shot down, not one charge has led to a prosecution much less a conviction, yet you pathetic people continue to call him a traitor, a thief, you've compared him to all the worst dictators and tyrants of history, you accuse him of eating babies and throwing old ladies under buses, in fact the left in it's best delusional form has blamed him for every vile thing that has happened in this country since the day he was born.
 In their newest bid to keep him from running in 2024 (because they know in spite of their best laid plans to cheat in the polls again, he's going to win, and if he doesn't run Desantis or some other Conservative Constitutionalist will run and win, they know that they will loose the House and the senate, and then Pay back will really be a Baitch, they have illegally raided his home a taken a ton of papers, all of which he was authorized to possess, they never expected the backlash they got, President Trump asked to have the search warrant released and the affidavit used to get a judge to sign off on the warrant, the justice dept and FBI fought it in federal court and lost, so they blacked out every line of the documents, that's how scared they are that their lies and corruption will be publicly uncovered.
 I'll remind you again Windy, theses are your friends, they hate Pres. Trump so much they would do anything to detroy him, and the shame is that they have convinced you to hate him as much as they do, and you don't have a clue why, you just keep sucking up the Cool Aid and vomiting the hate.
 So now, I'm challenging you to explain what he's actually done to harm this country or what he's done to harm you personally, what has he actually done (that you can actually show tangible proof of) that is or was illegal, unconstitutional, immoral, unethical, or fattening while he was in office, it shouldn't be hard, I'm not asking you to run an investigation (you guys can't investigate anything unless it's corrupt anyway), all I'm asking of you is to back up your accusations (the ones you made here on this forum since He's been in office or retired) with facts, they don't even have to be hard fact, just what you think you know he did, and where you heard about it, of course some hard copies would help your cause a bunch.
 Please, no more unfounded accusations or allegations, just specifics, name his crime or sin and explain exactly how it was corrupt, illegal, or unconstitutional.
 
 I'm giving an opportunity to redeem yourself or save face, it's your chance to show us just how wrong we've been to support Pres. Trump, refuse the challenge or maintain remain silent and it will be an admission that you're just a partisan hack who goes along with whoever promises to give you free stuff while you agree with taxing the crap out of anyone who has more than you.
 So, are you going to stand by your convictions, or tuck tail and hide ?
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« Reply #32 on: August 27, 2022, 02:25:01 AM »
So Moe, you want to know what the members are doing for General Preparedness.
This is about the third time you have inquired about that. And you keep getting crickets. Forum members seem to be adhering to OPSEC and all that.

Let's assume you're on the up and up and not some government stooge. As such, I post the following essay.

     Preparing for hard times would seem to require a lifestyle commitment. Prior to the industrial revolution the majority of the population was rural and relied on subsistence farming. Manual labor was required for most food production and there wasn't enough excess food to feed a large urban population. As mechanical means of growing food became more common place, there were fewer jobs in the rural areas and young men and women migrated to the cities for, what they hoped would be, a better life with more opportunities. Little did they know that their lack of education and knowledge of labor laws would leave many of them destitute and living in squalor. But that's another story.
   Meanwhile, as farming became more effiecient and there was enough extra crop to sell to the urban dwellers, the subsitence farms started to thin out. They had been able to produce almost everything they needed. These are the kind of farms that are needed now if one is to be truely "Prepared for hard times". But the skills are almost gone. One needs to be self sufficient and rely very little on others. This extends to: Food, Water, Clothing, Shelter. Electricity did not exist then and if you want it now, you must rely on others. ie. the electric company. Petroleum products were practically nonexistent pre industrial revolution, so you need to get along without it. No money to buy it anyway. The average lifespan of males in 1860 was less than 40 years of age. By 1900 it had only increased to 43 years. By that standard, I am well beyond my expected lifespan and would probably be dead by now. And it is just as well. I cannot see myself realisticaly hauling water out of a well in buckets, cutting firewood with a bucksaw and splitting it with an axe. Harnessing an oxen or a team of horses for a full day of manual labor behind a one bottom wooden plow or hand pitching grass hay into a stack after cutting it with a scythe is a job for a young man. Some one in thier 20's or 30's. Certainly not for an old man of 70.
   So, what to do. I've taken a two prong approach. The short term stocking of long shelf life foods and consumables to get me through a couple years of ":Hard times".  Beyond that, the wife and I both rely on precription medications to keep us ticking. If the electric grid goes down or the petroleum supply is interrupted for an extended period of time, the medications will no longer be available. We will be part of the 90 percent that perishes within  the first two years. That's just the harsh reality.
   The other "prong" is more of an unusual hobby. I'm trying to prepare the farmstead for a subsistence lifestyle. An off grid cabin with thick well insulated walls to keep the winter cold out. White roof and white walls to keep the hot summer heat out. Wood stove for heating and cooking, An extensive hardcopy library of 'how to' books because I won't be around to lend my experience. A tool shed stocked with hand tools from the turn of the last century. Bit and Brace, chisles, handsaws, axes, pick axes, assorted shovels, hammers, leather working tools, shoe repair tools, an anvil and a small forge with a few basic tools, and the list goes on and on. I try to label everything. Whoever gets this will hopefully never need it but I'm having fun compiling a stash of  domsday tools and knowledge.
    The writer of an Op-ed in the 1970's said during the great depression of the 1930's, a majority of city dwellers had family or friends "back home" that still lived and worked on a diversified farm. This became a fallback for many. Some were able to go back to the farm to weather the fiscal storm that was the depression. Now, less than 2 percent of the population live on working farms and the vast majority of those are specialized. Very few know how to hand milk a cow and even fewer could butcher a hog. 
    Today, I do not personally know of one truely diversified farm. One that raises cows, hogs, chickens. Butchers a yearling steer and a hog every fall. Hand milks a cow, makes thier own butter, butchers chickens, collects eggs. puts up thier own grain and hay for the animals.
    My family did it up until I was about 12. It was hard. Really hard. My grandfather got a job as an accountent. My father went to school and learned a trade. That brought in cash and that in turn allowed us to get electricity. Whoo-hoo! That was a big deal. No more outhouse. We now had running water, electric refrigeration, electric lights. Store bought butter. Took the gas engine off the Maytag and installed an electric motor. Our world changed and we were all glad of it.
   Preparing for Hard Times is easy. Living the lifestyle of Hard Times is indeed hard. At my age, I will not survive it. that's the reality. I'm already thirty years over the expected lifespan of the people that lived that lifestyle.
   My preparation for hard times is to leave the tools and knowledge to a younger generation that can use it. There are so many things that can go wrong. A Black Swan event if you will. A massive CME, EMP. Worldwide banking collapse, west coast tsunami destroys shipping, The second coming. Who knows. We fight like hell to do  the best we can, hope for the best, and accept those things we cannot change.
     Maybe I'm just getting paranoid in my old age, but all my life I have poo-pooed the people that have predicted major calamities, like the Y2K scare. I never put any stock in it and never prepared for it. Now?  Like watching the low flying swallows. the poplar leaves turning over, the change in the smell of the air all point to a rainstorm coming. So too, something doesn't seem right in the daily news. I can't quite put my finger on it but it does seem like "Hard Times" are coming.
     Be well and best of luck to us all. My rant here is finished.


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« Reply #33 on: August 27, 2022, 04:25:02 AM »
That was a good rant Pete.

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« Reply #34 on: August 27, 2022, 09:00:52 AM »
Well Pete Bog, That was refreshing to read. Thank you, very well said

Yes, there's a storm coming. There's always a storm coming. The best preparation for stormy weather is usually skills and knowledge. Just about any stockpile will be consumed or spoil or whatever and then things will get real interesting. General preparedness is simply being responsible.

Recognition of the amount and types of physical labor require in the old days is spot on. Even the most physically demanding work required skills and knowledge most lack these days. Walk into any Starbucks and make a random survey on how to scythe a plot or even sharpen a hand saw with the correct file and the results are easily predictable.

Moving off grid (a continuing process) for me was not primarily about prepping initially but could turn out that way. The best part of the project has been helping my son learn basic building techniques and using carpentry hand tools. Things I learned long ago because I wanted to.

It is practical knowledge that provides the best preparation for hard times.  I'm not much of a farmer, especially given the current Climate conditions in the high desert, and going for wood in the summer is certainly different these but I can still design a truss or set a bone or suture a laceration so there might be some useful contributions to be made. Hopefully, the reference materials acquired over a couple careers will be useful to others.

There are older style hand tools for carpentry around here and there some even for sale at places like Lowes and Stanley still markets some basic woodworking planes. Hard to find good quality brace and bit sets used or new though these days.


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« Reply #35 on: August 28, 2022, 05:47:39 AM »

  That's a very good point Boomer, one that isn't discussed much, in fact I don't think I've ever included hand tools in my posts or discussions related to survival preps, the ironic part of it that I've often heard my friends and family members ask The question, why are some other reasonably intelligent people not making any effort to put aside non perishable food stuffs and the means to collect and purify water, until now I've never had a good answer.
  After reading your post it came to me that a big part of the answer to that question may be in part why I never seriously gave hand tools a priority, in my case I've always had tools, some inherited, some I bought over the years, I'm not much of an auto mechanic, in my youth I dabbled in it, cars and what made them run were pretty simple back then, my first few cars were flat head Fords or '50's and '60's Chevys, but these days of computerized cars are something else.
 But I've always enjoyed working with wood and using hand tools for most of my projects, I used to love watching Roy Underhill on TV, I often thought about building a foot powered wood lathe like his, but I'm getting away from my reason for posting this, the thing is that most of us old timers have grown up with skills inherited from our parents and grand parents that we take allot of it for granted, like just about everyone else I have my share of corded wood and metal working tools and in last decade or so have accumulated a bunch of cordless tools and assorted batteries that have made working with wood much easier and faster, and we don't give them much thought when they aren't needed.
 I guess for some folks the fact that they've always had super markets and fast food joints that they can't wrap their heads around the thought that they could be without, they don't associate what's going on here and in other parts of the world with what happened to once thriving countries like Cuba and Venezuela that went from lands of plenty to people eating their pets and raiding trash trucks to survive almost overnight.
 Pete Bog mentioned that this is the third or so thread that I've started on this subject and get the same response or lack of it, I guess I'm a slow learner, or maybe they just need to have it drummed into them. 
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« Reply #36 on: August 28, 2022, 08:29:55 AM »
Sometimes we just over think things and imbue them with more importance than is merited.