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General Discussion / Re: General preparedness expanded
« Last post by Pete Bog on August 27, 2022, 02:25:01 AM »
So Moe, you want to know what the members are doing for General Preparedness.
This is about the third time you have inquired about that. And you keep getting crickets. Forum members seem to be adhering to OPSEC and all that.

Let's assume you're on the up and up and not some government stooge. As such, I post the following essay.

     Preparing for hard times would seem to require a lifestyle commitment. Prior to the industrial revolution the majority of the population was rural and relied on subsistence farming. Manual labor was required for most food production and there wasn't enough excess food to feed a large urban population. As mechanical means of growing food became more common place, there were fewer jobs in the rural areas and young men and women migrated to the cities for, what they hoped would be, a better life with more opportunities. Little did they know that their lack of education and knowledge of labor laws would leave many of them destitute and living in squalor. But that's another story.
   Meanwhile, as farming became more effiecient and there was enough extra crop to sell to the urban dwellers, the subsitence farms started to thin out. They had been able to produce almost everything they needed. These are the kind of farms that are needed now if one is to be truely "Prepared for hard times". But the skills are almost gone. One needs to be self sufficient and rely very little on others. This extends to: Food, Water, Clothing, Shelter. Electricity did not exist then and if you want it now, you must rely on others. ie. the electric company. Petroleum products were practically nonexistent pre industrial revolution, so you need to get along without it. No money to buy it anyway. The average lifespan of males in 1860 was less than 40 years of age. By 1900 it had only increased to 43 years. By that standard, I am well beyond my expected lifespan and would probably be dead by now. And it is just as well. I cannot see myself realisticaly hauling water out of a well in buckets, cutting firewood with a bucksaw and splitting it with an axe. Harnessing an oxen or a team of horses for a full day of manual labor behind a one bottom wooden plow or hand pitching grass hay into a stack after cutting it with a scythe is a job for a young man. Some one in thier 20's or 30's. Certainly not for an old man of 70.
   So, what to do. I've taken a two prong approach. The short term stocking of long shelf life foods and consumables to get me through a couple years of ":Hard times".  Beyond that, the wife and I both rely on precription medications to keep us ticking. If the electric grid goes down or the petroleum supply is interrupted for an extended period of time, the medications will no longer be available. We will be part of the 90 percent that perishes within  the first two years. That's just the harsh reality.
   The other "prong" is more of an unusual hobby. I'm trying to prepare the farmstead for a subsistence lifestyle. An off grid cabin with thick well insulated walls to keep the winter cold out. White roof and white walls to keep the hot summer heat out. Wood stove for heating and cooking, An extensive hardcopy library of 'how to' books because I won't be around to lend my experience. A tool shed stocked with hand tools from the turn of the last century. Bit and Brace, chisles, handsaws, axes, pick axes, assorted shovels, hammers, leather working tools, shoe repair tools, an anvil and a small forge with a few basic tools, and the list goes on and on. I try to label everything. Whoever gets this will hopefully never need it but I'm having fun compiling a stash of  domsday tools and knowledge.
    The writer of an Op-ed in the 1970's said during the great depression of the 1930's, a majority of city dwellers had family or friends "back home" that still lived and worked on a diversified farm. This became a fallback for many. Some were able to go back to the farm to weather the fiscal storm that was the depression. Now, less than 2 percent of the population live on working farms and the vast majority of those are specialized. Very few know how to hand milk a cow and even fewer could butcher a hog. 
    Today, I do not personally know of one truely diversified farm. One that raises cows, hogs, chickens. Butchers a yearling steer and a hog every fall. Hand milks a cow, makes thier own butter, butchers chickens, collects eggs. puts up thier own grain and hay for the animals.
    My family did it up until I was about 12. It was hard. Really hard. My grandfather got a job as an accountent. My father went to school and learned a trade. That brought in cash and that in turn allowed us to get electricity. Whoo-hoo! That was a big deal. No more outhouse. We now had running water, electric refrigeration, electric lights. Store bought butter. Took the gas engine off the Maytag and installed an electric motor. Our world changed and we were all glad of it.
   Preparing for Hard Times is easy. Living the lifestyle of Hard Times is indeed hard. At my age, I will not survive it. that's the reality. I'm already thirty years over the expected lifespan of the people that lived that lifestyle.
   My preparation for hard times is to leave the tools and knowledge to a younger generation that can use it. There are so many things that can go wrong. A Black Swan event if you will. A massive CME, EMP. Worldwide banking collapse, west coast tsunami destroys shipping, The second coming. Who knows. We fight like hell to do  the best we can, hope for the best, and accept those things we cannot change.
     Maybe I'm just getting paranoid in my old age, but all my life I have poo-pooed the people that have predicted major calamities, like the Y2K scare. I never put any stock in it and never prepared for it. Now?  Like watching the low flying swallows. the poplar leaves turning over, the change in the smell of the air all point to a rainstorm coming. So too, something doesn't seem right in the daily news. I can't quite put my finger on it but it does seem like "Hard Times" are coming.
     Be well and best of luck to us all. My rant here is finished.

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Other Outdoor Gear / Re: Hiking staff
« Last post by crashdive123 on August 26, 2022, 07:17:58 PM »
My favorite staff for the last several years has been what I can find.  I have a few fabricated staffs that I like, but seldom take them with me.  In Florida I rarely use staffs or walking sticks.  When I travel to areas with some elevation changes I use either my trekking poles or cut a staff.  Regardless, the most important part for me is to keep on hiking.
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General Discussion / Re: General preparedness expanded
« Last post by Moe M. on August 26, 2022, 04:11:16 PM »
Blindfold and a cigarette, son.  Thus always to traitors.  Goodbye.
windy

 Ok, I was going to ignore your rantings, obviously you've lost your power of reason, or perhaps you on some kind of mind altering medication, because you and others of your ilk are always screaming the same accusations about President Trump, but you never come up with any evidence, it was your friends who paid for a false report about Trump  and his team colluding with Russian spies to sink Clintons run for the white house, it was your friends in congress, the justice dept, and the FBI who lied to create an investigation, it was your friends who actually levied charges against then president Trump and tried to impeach him, it fell flat when it came out that it was all a fabrication, none of it true, since then the slander, investigations, legal actions against him in DC and in NYC, all failed as well, again because it was all based on lies, everyone with two brain cells to rub together now know that the January 6th. assault on the capital was orchestrated by the left and caried out by the Capital police, it was the capital police that opened the doors to the capital, it was the police that usured the protesters in, it's all on tape and has been shown on TV news shows on FOX, CNBC, and CNN.
 Every charge that has been levied against Pres. Trump has been shot down, not one charge has led to a prosecution much less a conviction, yet you pathetic people continue to call him a traitor, a thief, you've compared him to all the worst dictators and tyrants of history, you accuse him of eating babies and throwing old ladies under buses, in fact the left in it's best delusional form has blamed him for every vile thing that has happened in this country since the day he was born.
 In their newest bid to keep him from running in 2024 (because they know in spite of their best laid plans to cheat in the polls again, he's going to win, and if he doesn't run Desantis or some other Conservative Constitutionalist will run and win, they know that they will loose the House and the senate, and then Pay back will really be a Baitch, they have illegally raided his home a taken a ton of papers, all of which he was authorized to possess, they never expected the backlash they got, President Trump asked to have the search warrant released and the affidavit used to get a judge to sign off on the warrant, the justice dept and FBI fought it in federal court and lost, so they blacked out every line of the documents, that's how scared they are that their lies and corruption will be publicly uncovered.
 I'll remind you again Windy, theses are your friends, they hate Pres. Trump so much they would do anything to detroy him, and the shame is that they have convinced you to hate him as much as they do, and you don't have a clue why, you just keep sucking up the Cool Aid and vomiting the hate.
 So now, I'm challenging you to explain what he's actually done to harm this country or what he's done to harm you personally, what has he actually done (that you can actually show tangible proof of) that is or was illegal, unconstitutional, immoral, unethical, or fattening while he was in office, it shouldn't be hard, I'm not asking you to run an investigation (you guys can't investigate anything unless it's corrupt anyway), all I'm asking of you is to back up your accusations (the ones you made here on this forum since He's been in office or retired) with facts, they don't even have to be hard fact, just what you think you know he did, and where you heard about it, of course some hard copies would help your cause a bunch.
 Please, no more unfounded accusations or allegations, just specifics, name his crime or sin and explain exactly how it was corrupt, illegal, or unconstitutional.
 
 I'm giving an opportunity to redeem yourself or save face, it's your chance to show us just how wrong we've been to support Pres. Trump, refuse the challenge or maintain remain silent and it will be an admission that you're just a partisan hack who goes along with whoever promises to give you free stuff while you agree with taxing the crap out of anyone who has more than you.
 So, are you going to stand by your convictions, or tuck tail and hide ?
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Other Outdoor Gear / Hiking staff
« Last post by boomer on August 26, 2022, 03:38:32 PM »
A solid dependable hiking staff is a part of basic outdoor kit for just about any age, condition or terrain.

A hiking staff is longer than a cane but shorter than a traditional pole. It has strength without excess weight and a comfortable balance point for both horizontal carry and vertical use. A reasonable height is somewhere between shoulder and top of head high. Ample height to assist traversing quick terrain changes while being pleasing to the eye. The hiking staff is not to be confused with modern trekking poles.

The staff is an old school tool and while some undoubtedly attempted to formalize things along the way as always it has remained what it has been - a handy stick. Some are plain, some are decorated, some end up as firewood but utility is seldom questioned nor is the beauty of the simplicity  Finding just the right one takes a bit of looking and maybe luck. There's no need to order one on line, put it on a card, wait for shipping, get a license or ask permission. They are effective to stabilize the user in tricky balance situations, maintain effective social distancing with humans and other critters, hold up a quick tarp shelter or poncho tent and as many other uses as one can imagine. Maybe more.

My favorite hiking staff for the last decade or so is from a Russian Olive branch. Cut it,  skinned it, smoother with a pocket knife and used it smooth in the carrying part after it dried out. It is shoulder high and the bottom is strengthened by a natural branch bifurcation that was rounded down a little at first and then by use. 
I did wrap about a hands width of light line at the balance point for quick reference but that's all. It sees regular, probably daily use, in the high desert.

The right hiking staff is more than a simple tool. With time and attitude it eventually becomes part of the adventure.

Kind of like a haversack but that's something else.

Happy trails
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General Discussion / Re: General preparedness expanded
« Last post by windy on August 25, 2022, 11:39:46 PM »
Blindfold and a cigarette, son.  Thus always to traitors.  Goodbye.
windy
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General Discussion / Re: Campfire Tales
« Last post by crashdive123 on August 25, 2022, 07:24:28 PM »
Speaking of bears.

I was at a state campground several years ago.  Had a great tent site and soon made friends with the couple across the road from me.

After a few adult beverages we all decided that an early retirement was in store for the night.

We grabbed our trash bags and headed to the dumpster since bears are fairly prevelant in the forest.  We were all wearing headlamps, but due to the full moon, we left them off.

There was a noise around the dumpster, so we stopped to see if we could get a closer look as to what was causing it.

It was a good sized black bear....probably about 400 lbs.  We watched it slide open the side door on the dumpster and climb in.  It tossed out several bags of trash and climbed out.  It then proceded to rumage through the trash it had thrown out. 

The couple that had been there over a week stated that it came in every night to do this.

While we were watching in the moonlight, a gentleman and his dog walked past the bear and came toward us.  When he got to us he asked what was going on.  We turned on our lights to reveal the large bear that he and his dog had just walked past.  He stared for a bit.....looked down at his dog and stated......"you're fired!"
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General Discussion / Re: Campfire Tales
« Last post by boomer on August 25, 2022, 02:36:46 PM »
Just a bit ago, a few years before Covid,  i was fishing in a Wilderness A rea in the Southern Rockies. The Wilderness Area boundary on the East  is a modest size fast water river cutting through a steep canyon.  Where I parked was about twenty miles in on an once in a while but mostly not maintained rough dirt road on the West or opposite side of the canyon.

After attempting to threatening the trout to no avail i marched back to the boundary and across to an undeveloped parking/camping area at the top of the opposite side of the canyon. My truck, an old stock F150XL, was the only vehicle and I was the only human around  as far as I know. At least I hadn't seen anyone in days.

Took off the wet clothes and set them in the sun and settled down  on the tailgate to read a couple days old paper I picked up on the way in to scan the news and classifieds. I learned long ago the classifieds can tell a lot about the community local papers cover. That's also usually close to the comics in smaller circulation papers

The sun felt good and sitting in the middle of the tailgate with legs dangling was pretty nice. I was reading about some local drama of little consequence when  a islight movement in my peripheral vision caught my attention. I waited and a big old bear head poked around the corner of the truck bed and stared right at me. That bear was full head high with the tailgate and I could have reached out and touched his nose. I recognized it was a black bear albeit a big one. Looked just like a teddy bear except really big and really close.

He stood and looked and I looked back. I'm not sure who was more amused, me on seeing that curious bear or the bear on seeing an old guy without boots, socks or pants reading a newspaper. He gave a sniff or two so did I. I never felt threatened and clearly that bear didn't so we just waited checking each other out. He seemed pretty interested in the paper I was holding though.

After a few minutes or so I rustled the paper very slightly and pretended to look st it keeping my peripheral peeled.

The bear just turned away when I did and slowly moved to the canyon edge and headed downslope to a big old fallen tree. There he began nosing around for whatever he was hoping to find at the time.  I put on my almost dry by rhen boots and watched from the canyon edge as he nosed around for a while than continued downhill and across the river back into the wilderness area. He was soon lost from sight in the forest.

I think that bear might have wanted to get a closer look at that paper. But I hold on to a paper until I read the funnies. Always have.
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General Discussion / Re: General preparedness expanded
« Last post by crashdive123 on August 25, 2022, 01:36:42 PM »
Just a note to EVERYBODY.  Threats of any kind will not be tolerated. 
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General Discussion / Re: General preparedness expanded
« Last post by Moe M. on August 25, 2022, 12:08:50 PM »
Moe, 35 years ago I tried to put D.T. in jail for bribery in a case that involved one of my clients.  His actions were in direct defiance of the fair foreign trade acts of 1977, and cost my client several hundreds of thousands of dollars, but my attorney said it would cost my client more than a million dollars to get the case into court, and that, since DT was "bankrupt" at the moment, he wouldn't even be paying for his own defense.  Since I was familiar with the bankruptcy game in land development, that ticked me off even more; I'd been damaged by that scam a couple of times already.  DT is an amoral scumbag who should never, ever get near the Oval Office again, ......(removed threat).......  His methods at the end of his reign mirror Hitler and Mussolini's 1935 politics.  Demagogues target the stupid and the undereducated in society, trade on racial hatred and blame-shifting to attract violent allies, and destroy nations.  Would I vote for him?  He's the reason I stockpile ammo.
windy

 President Trump may very well be amoral, he for sure is a shrewd businessman, and as the leader of this country he took us out of deep recession, put people back to work, equaled the playing field when it came to foreign trade, he gave us a healthy economy, rebuilt the military, straightened out the VA, brought back allot of manufacturing jobs and American businesses, and he stabilized allot of regions of the world and made us safer, and lets not forget that he made this country energy independent again after a long time depending on the mercy of the oil rich countries that were raping us.
 Would you like to compare President Trumps accomplishments next to sleepy Joe's socialist policies, well where to start, under a little over 18 months in office Biden and his minions have managed to drive up inflation to it's highest point in half a century, we are now on the very edge of deeper recession than we've experienced since the late '20's, all the indicators and the observations of top economist across the globe thee US is about to enter a depression that may put the last one to shame, he's has with his foolish spending created a shortage of laborers, teachers, and first responders, the economy is bust, small businesses are going out of style faster than penny loafers, people have lost at least half or more of their retirement saving, the world have lost confidence in America's word, government across the globe don't trust us, but worse, they no longer fears us, this administration has stepped on and dishonored it's oath of office by completely ignoring the Constitution and the rule of law, Constitutional protections and due process mean nothing to this new breed of radical socialist progressives, they are bent on destroying this country in order to reach it's goal of the New Great Reset, and people like you who are so full of yellow Cool Aid and hate are blind to the way you are being used to promote their agenda.
 So my delusional friend, if you have the balls to dispute that this country is in danger of failing, or that because of the new Biden & Company administration we are better off without the type of leadership we derived from President Trump, give it a try, it should prove to be interesting, if not totally amusing.
 I BTW, only a crazy person, a fool, or someone who has lost their power to reason would openly threaten to shoot a sitting or retired President US President.   

 I'm betting on you're "All the Above".
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General Discussion / Re: General preparedness expanded
« Last post by windy on August 25, 2022, 08:24:09 AM »
Moe, 35 years ago I tried to put D.T. in jail for bribery in a case that involved one of my clients.  His actions were in direct defiance of the fair foreign trade acts of 1977, and cost my client several hundreds of thousands of dollars, but my attorney said it would cost my client more than a million dollars to get the case into court, and that, since DT was "bankrupt" at the moment, he wouldn't even be paying for his own defense.  Since I was familiar with the bankruptcy game in land development, that ticked me off even more; I'd been damaged by that scam a couple of times already.  DT is an amoral scumbag who should never, ever get near the Oval Office again.............. .(removed threat)......  His methods at the end of his reign mirror Hitler and Mussolini's 1935 politics.  Demagogues target the stupid and the undereducated in society, trade on racial hatred and blame-shifting to attract violent allies, and destroy nations.  Would I vote for him?  He's the reason I stockpile ammo.
windy
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