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Hunting, Fishing and Trapping / Re: Jack's First Deer!
« Last post by wsdstan on October 20, 2022, 08:20:10 AM »
That is really neat OE.  A first deer with two generations watching, it just doesn't get any better than that for a memory.

Congratulations to Jack.
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Hunting, Fishing and Trapping / Re: Jack's First Deer!
« Last post by crashdive123 on October 20, 2022, 04:19:18 AM »
Awesome!  Great memories.  Be honest - - - who had the bigger smile, Jack, you or your Dad?
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General Discussion / Re: The End Of An Era
« Last post by boomer on October 19, 2022, 07:26:27 AM »
Thank you, Moe but "socialist" to " commie" in the same breath?

Given your response is merely ad hominem  invective is it fair to say you cannot answer the questions? There was no "dodging" at all. Maybe the questions hit too close to home?

Socialism is certainly alive in well in The Homeland but only for the wealthy. The rest of us are subjected to the rawest forms of bare knuckle capitalism. Nothing particularly new in that observation.

The real problem we have is we're all in the same boat but seem determined to row in different directions. Some have apparently decided to jettison the oars and sink the boat entirely if they don't get their way.  That's not a good plan et here we are again.

When the usual response to an argument is name calling (conflating a couple of poorly understood political theories and extensive projection in the process) more than they intend or realize is  revealed.

Differences aside, the best to you and yours fronfrom a non socialist, non commie fellow Citizen

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General Discussion / Re: The End Of An Era
« Last post by Moe M. on October 19, 2022, 06:47:21 AM »
I suppose if by socialism you mean things like police and fire departments, sidewalks and highways, public education and libraries, SSi and Medicare then yes,  I do support those things.

Thr irony, of course, of a retired LEO going on about socialism is entertaining even if likely unintentional. It doesn't really bolster credibility you know.  Have you ever considered refusing the checks anywhere along the line? Or perhaps refused to hunt, hike or camp on public lands or in national forests or only travel on toll roads or not put petro in your vehicle due to the subsidies the industry receives? 'Im going to guess not. Could be mistaken - you tell me.

  OK, that proves it, when a socialist doesn't want debate about their real radical anti constitution leanings they resort to the Socialist Playbook under dodges.
   No none of those programs are in any way tied to the type of socialism that you and your Collectivist ilk are to supporting, sometimes you almost appear to be a moderate left winger, but then you sometimes let the commie in you come out, this is one of those times when you need to be ignored.
  I'm done with you for a while.   :doh:
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General Discussion / Re: The End Of An Era
« Last post by boomer on October 18, 2022, 02:06:39 PM »
I suppose if by socialism you mean things like police and fire departments, sidewalks and highways, public education and libraries, SSi and Medicare then yes,  I do support those things.

Thr irony, of course, of a retired LEO going on about socialism is entertaining even if likely unintentional. It doesn't really bolster credibility you know.  Have you ever considered refusing the checks anywhere along the line? Or perhaps refused to hunt, hike or camp on public lands or in national forests or only travel on toll roads or not put petro in your vehicle due to the subsidies the industry receives? 'Im going to guess not. Could be mistaken - you tell me.
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General Discussion / Re: The End Of An Era
« Last post by Moe M. on October 18, 2022, 12:16:09 PM »
Thank you Moe.

Socialist? Probably not as much as you suppose. No more than a Capitalist. Humanist, Democratist, Constitutionalist and similar labels might be closer. One thing I am not however, is a modern Liberal. Nor do I come from wealth - just the opposite. What initial higher education at public institutions I have acquired has been the result of work, the GI Bill and native ability along with determination. For all of which I am grateful. It might surprise you to learn higher education can be just as Conservative minded as any other group.

The "free market" concept you allude to is not and never was intended to be anything more than a philosophical argument. A thought experiment. It was no more intended as policy than Xeno's paradox was for travel planning.
The simple fact is while both ideas illustrate a point they have no real world application. Those credited with the thought experiments understood as much.

One of the benefits of education is the recognition and acceptance the the more we learn the less we know. Age and experience teach us that by themselves. The school of life is sufficient. And the diiference between knowing and understanding is fundamental.

It is obvious not all who like music have the talent of Mozart.  But the goal of our society is supposedly equality of opportunity. The structural inequities of our society however, often argue against the recognition of that goal.

As a former LEO trained to deal in fact you must certainly recognize the how and why crime is so profitable once we move much above street level. You must also recognize Justice is far from blind and in practice tends to be very deferential. We make an example of someone on occasion who grossly oversteps or harms the wrong group but that can hardly be news.

We might similarly say the facts of human contributions to Climate disruption are ignored because of the well understood and anticipated inconveniences produced. Both are understandable simply because that is the way we are.

I appreciate  the nod to politeness. It is  intended as a sign of respect. Respect I believe everyone deserves. It is because of respect for others that concerns with democracy, equality of opportunity and before the law, and participation in our commonwealth are important to me.

I have been fortunate to travel a bit in my time. Having met and or observed many different people of many different circumstances and stations of societies, I found everywhere people are just people

Im ok with that. How can we not be?

  You know what they say about walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, acts like a duck, what else could it be.   :shrug:
But don't take my word for it ask someone else, an independent perhaps, certainly not another socialist.   :coffee:
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Hunting, Fishing and Trapping / Re: Jack's First Deer!
« Last post by boomer on October 17, 2022, 02:14:31 PM »
Congratulations all around

Agree an early season for youth is a good idea. Looks like it worked out for your family too.

Well done
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Hunting, Fishing and Trapping / Jack's First Deer!
« Last post by OutdoorEnvy on October 17, 2022, 10:33:39 AM »
Well Jack had his first hunt over the weekend.  It was the Oklahoma Youth Gun Season.  It's pretty neat Oklahoma has an early season youth gun hunt opportunity.  It's before muzzleloader and the main gun season.  Other than being hotter weather it as a good time to hunt deer that haven't been pressured yet.  It was an exciting hunt each time we went out.  We ended up in an area full of does, we didn't see a buck.  But plenty of close encounters kept it exciting and on the first evening Jack was able to make it happen on a mature doe.  He was pretty excited and looking forward to venison steaks and jerky! 

The hunt really worked out like I planned it.  Which usually never happens.  But we set up on a good area in a creek bottom and had a nice downfall area that made for a little cover and nice gun rest.  Doe came in about 40-50 yards away and Jack connected on a broadside shot.  She only went about 30-40 yards or so and tracking was easy.  We were all stoked!  My dad was there too so a three generation first deer for the 10 year old was a great memory to share together.

The spot


Right after the shot!


Success!


thanks for looking!
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General Discussion / Re: The End Of An Era
« Last post by boomer on October 17, 2022, 08:39:05 AM »
Thank you Moe.

Socialist? Probably not as much as you suppose. No more than a Capitalist. Humanist, Democratist, Constitutionalist and similar labels might be closer. One thing I am not however, is a modern Liberal. Nor do I come from wealth - just the opposite. What initial higher education at public institutions I have acquired has been the result of work, the GI Bill and native ability along with determination. For all of which I am grateful. It might surprise you to learn higher education can be just as Conservative minded as any other group.

The "free market" concept you allude to is not and never was intended to be anything more than a philosophical argument. A thought experiment. It was no more intended as policy than Xeno's paradox was for travel planning.
The simple fact is while both ideas illustrate a point they have no real world application. Those credited with the thought experiments understood as much.

One of the benefits of education is the recognition and acceptance the the more we learn the less we know. Age and experience teach us that by themselves. The school of life is sufficient. And the diiference between knowing and understanding is fundamental.

It is obvious not all who like music have the talent of Mozart.  But the goal of our society is supposedly equality of opportunity. The structural inequities of our society however, often argue against the recognition of that goal.

As a former LEO trained to deal in fact you must certainly recognize the how and why crime is so profitable once we move much above street level. You must also recognize Justice is far from blind and in practice tends to be very deferential. We make an example of someone on occasion who grossly oversteps or harms the wrong group but that can hardly be news.

We might similarly say the facts of human contributions to Climate disruption are ignored because of the well understood and anticipated inconveniences produced. Both are understandable simply because that is the way we are.

I appreciate  the nod to politeness. It is  intended as a sign of respect. Respect I believe everyone deserves. It is because of respect for others that concerns with democracy, equality of opportunity and before the law, and participation in our commonwealth are important to me.

I have been fortunate to travel a bit in my time. Having met and or observed many different people of many different circumstances and stations of societies, I found everywhere people are just people

Im ok with that. How can we not be?


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General Discussion / Re: The End Of An Era
« Last post by Moe M. on October 17, 2022, 07:05:26 AM »

 Well Boomer, it's good to hear you finally admit that you are a socialist at heart, as far as you not understanding my views on political and social values, or why I believe that the Radical left not only in this country but world wide has in it's agenda a plan to "Fundamentally Transform our world economically, socially, and politically, to do away with independent governments and individual rights.
I don't believe that I am wrong in thinking that an organized group of world leaders, corporations, and very wealthy individuals have formulated a plan as has been in the process of implementing that plan for a couple of decades, organizations such as the UN, WHO, World Economic Forum, and a few lessor organizations have been working hard to fund campaigns and install radical socialist/communist office holders that further their plans.
To get into details would take more time a space than time and this forum allows, and you would likely not accept them anyway, in your posts you are very polite, almost never rude, and I try hard to emulate your manner, I'm not always successful, for that I apologize, but you do test my patients sometimes, however, I think I understand why we seldom agree.
For one thing I believe you have a deep sense of fairness, you believe strongly that business while allowed a modest profit should be regulated, a cap placed on profit and that their primary goal should be not to make money but to further society, on the other hand I believe in Capitalism, that the market should and left alone is self regulating, and if an individual or corporation becomes filthy rich more power to them.
I believe that you see inequity and blame it on the wealthy and on business, I see inequity and accept it as part of life, some people don't have the same opportunities as other, some are born to money while others are born in poverty, some are born with the ability to reach greatness, others are born without those skills, that life, it's nobodies fault, but usually hard work and a little luck can go a long way.
I look around at what this new breed of New world order folks are doing and see corruption and lies, I see what their leadership has done to this great country and I get angry, I believe you see the same failures and blame it on the political right and on Capitalism for being obstructionist to their agendas 2021, 2030, and 2050.
Perhaps we see things differently because of our backgrounds, you probably received a very liberal education and worked allot with theory, I on the other hand was trained in the law, in working with facts not theory, in real evidence not what some socialist professor lectured on, your problem is that you are fixated on what should be, I on the other hand am fixed in the reality of what is.
And what is my friend, is a world tipped upside down, and the facts entered into evidence is that every time in our history that things have gotten this bad it been the political left that's been at the wheel.
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