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General Discussion / Re: NEW RECRUITS UNABLE TO THROW GRENADES
« Last post by Unknown on Yesterday at 12:31:10 PM »
Stan is the winner of the chicken dinner;sarcasm:yes. The counter positions of far afield and "in the field"(?) involves, based on what I see, the latter merely stating the obvious, and the former pointing that out in an interesting way. IMHO. One exception is Mann who brought up female infusion into the ranks.

One can go back to the political discussions held during the Presidential campaign and find numerous references to the political power held by dense population centers holding sway over both National and often State policy, law, etc, adversely affecting rural residents not sharing the same values as their urban cousins. That is to which I refer. If someone cannot understand how it is this happens without explicit explanations- I will try to help even though it is not really my problem, nor is writing at 3rd, 6th,9th grade reading level a mission I can undertake. If someone wishes to be purposely obtuse, attempt to rally others against a member; after having made such arguments or given description to the situation described above. that too can be handled.

*looks over the tops of his glasses*  You are unaware of the bizzare and unnatural lives(lifestyles) being promoted in Hollywood movies, network TV programs, corporate advertising. You are unaware of the overreaching impetus of liberal individualism leading to the abolition of sex based gender, race based communities, genetically reproducible (natural) families and couples. I could go into other aspects.......so is it, Moe, that you are unaware of the stark differences in attitudes and conventions observed to fall between Urban and Rural people; You are stating a position in favor of Urban majority opinions of these matters, or you just want to argue. Or____________.

It's all related because; as stated in the article, it is hard to imagine how a boy can reach enlistment age, given all the various ways to learn and practice, that one could arrive in boot camp with no ability, either lacking in physical strength or coordination to lob the hand grenade. My solution is intended to put an end to the circumstances that allow such a condition to develop.

Admittedly, I am taking the article at face value. To be honest I do not believe the courses have been altered for the reasons given. The reasons offered may be incidental, a trend on the rise, or just sarcasm/ commentary designed to arouse reactions. Should we continue to teach horsemanship, because after all, vehicles do break down. Or should every solider be trained to do every job in the military > just in case?
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General Discussion / Re: NEW RECRUITS UNABLE TO THROW GRENADES
« Last post by SIXFOOTER on Yesterday at 12:28:25 PM »
I saw this a few days ago and at first I thought as you guys, how pitiful
Now however I am kind of two minds
The fact that this skill will be taught at a later time with a bit more experience under their belt is another safety step to keep these kids however poorly raised alive a little longer, can't kill bad guys if they get blowed up in basic.
Over the years we have made being a soldier safer and safer, look at the casualty numbers for todays fighting man compared against even the Viet Nam era, fewer of our guys getting killed than ever before. Not that the batlefield we are in these days is the same, but a fight is a fight
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General Discussion / Re: BRRRRR!
« Last post by Old Philosopher on Yesterday at 11:55:27 AM »
Snowing again and cold.  Supposed to move out this evening and then get colder for a day or two and then move up in temperature for awhile.

I was going down to check the water in the SUV this morning and the snow wasn't too deep along the top of the driveway, about a foot.  When I got to the downhill part of the driveway my vision was poor and I drove into a three foot drift that is about forty feet long and stuck it the vehicle really good.  Now I cannot get out of the farm until we move it.  I just am going back to bed till tomorrow and then dig it out.   :P
-11F here this morning. Stan, you were supposed to keep this fridged crap on your side of the mountains!  I'd follow your lead and go back to bed for the day, but I have a foot of snow to get off the mobile before it all turns to 4" of ICE!
 :tent:

I was coming home from work in the dark outside Union, NE. Blizzard conditions and drove my station wagon into a similar drift I couldn't even see. It took 2 days and a front loader to get me out!
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General Discussion / Re: BRRRRR!
« Last post by wolfy on Yesterday at 11:46:35 AM »
MAN, you are really getting whacked up there this year, Stan! :-\    We haven't been getting too much snow out of these systems, so far.....our problem is the ICE! >:(    We have had three events in a row that start out as freezing rain turning over to snow.  1/8 to 1/4 inch of ice under 2-3 inches of light, fluffy snow doesn't LOOK bad, but driving on it turns into a nightmare.   It's too cold for the crap they put down on the roads to melt it, so it just keeps building up.  >:(
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General Discussion / Re: BRRRRR!
« Last post by wsdstan on Yesterday at 11:05:14 AM »
Snowing again and cold.  Supposed to move out this evening and then get colder for a day or two and then move up in temperature for awhile.

I was going down to check the water in the SUV this morning and the snow wasn't too deep along the top of the driveway, about a foot.  When I got to the downhill part of the driveway my vision was poor and I drove into a three foot drift that is about forty feet long and stuck it the vehicle really good.  Now I cannot get out of the farm until we move it.  I just am going back to bed till tomorrow and then dig it out.   :P
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General Discussion / Re: NEW RECRUITS UNABLE TO THROW GRENADES
« Last post by wolfy on Yesterday at 11:05:10 AM »
That is extremely pitiful. It really is shameful with no humor intended.
  If Moe is referring to something I said about parenting in another thread he has not understood the point and intent of my words.

Overall I'm not sure what the changes really mean. Certainly there are thousands of job positions in the army that have no direct contact with enemy troops/ combatants. It's more about the sad state of our Urbanite cousins and the bizzare unnatural lives they live.

One solution I've come up with from these discussions is simply to end Agricultural subsidies. That'll allow for more free market rules to apply and result in a much more natural lifestyle to develop. It will also serve to empty the cities that only exist due to the availability of ample and cheap foodstuffs and thus end their progressive intentions to ruling over rural populations.

  I have been trying to stay out of these types of discussions (not always with success),  however,  you have written your post in three parts,  not one that seems associated to the topic of the lack of throwing skills of military recruits.
 
  I am unaware of what Bizzare and unnatural lives of which you speak.
 
  Your solution to the hand grenade throwing problem, you say, is to end Agricultural subsidies, embracing free market rules will lead to natural lifestyles,  forcing people who reside in cities to leave by withholding their food and starving them out,  and frankly I don't see how progressives are ruling over rural populations,  generally progressives aren't making much headway in the rural areas of the country.

  Is it just me,  does UK's post make any serious sense to anyone here ? 


Moe, you quoted a post from Unknown.....where HE was quoting weedeater64.  Just figured you'd want your words directed to the source of the quote....not the messenger that carried it. :coffee:
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General Discussion / Re: NEW RECRUITS UNABLE TO THROW GRENADES
« Last post by wsdstan on Yesterday at 10:56:57 AM »
 :shrug: 

Sarcasm perhaps but certainly pretty far afield from the topic at hand.
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General Discussion / Re: NEW RECRUITS UNABLE TO THROW GRENADES
« Last post by Moe M. on Yesterday at 10:47:59 AM »
That is extremely pitiful. It really is shameful with no humor intended.
  If Moe is referring to something I said about parenting in another thread he has not understood the point and intent of my words.

Overall I'm not sure what the changes really mean. Certainly there are thousands of job positions in the army that have no direct contact with enemy troops/ combatants. It's more about the sad state of our Urbanite cousins and the bizzare unnatural lives they live.

One solution I've come up with from these discussions is simply to end Agricultural subsidies. That'll allow for more free market rules to apply and result in a much more natural lifestyle to develop. It will also serve to empty the cities that only exist due to the availability of ample and cheap foodstuffs and thus end their progressive intentions to ruling over rural populations.

  I have been trying to stay out of these types of discussions (not always with success),  however,  you have written your post in three parts,  not one that seems associated to the topic of the lack of throwing skills of military recruits.
 
  I am unaware of what Bizzare and unnatural lives of which you speak.
 
  Your solution to the hand grenade throwing problem, you say, is to end Agricultural subsidies, embracing free market rules will lead to natural lifestyles,  forcing people who reside in cities to leave by withholding their food and starving them out,  and frankly I don't see how progressives are ruling over rural populations,  generally progressives aren't making much headway in the rural areas of the country.

  Is it just me,  does UK's post make any serious sense to anyone here ? 
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General Discussion / Re: NEW RECRUITS UNABLE TO THROW GRENADES
« Last post by Unknown on Yesterday at 08:24:11 AM »
In the linked militarydotcom article it explains the courses are still taught, only removed from graduation requirements. Admittedly I didn't read it all, or even closely. Does it mean it is still part of basic, or a part of next level training.

The state of being for the American youth is sounding a bit worse than I imagined based on this info. Nevertheless it sounds like a good thing not wasting time, resources on skills a huge number of them will never use. Of course it would be a mistake to select recruits unfit for duty and send them into combat without necessary skills drilled into them.

Mann lays out another strong point: too many recruits throw like girls. I don't know the numbers. How many are there?
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General Discussion / Re: NEW RECRUITS UNABLE TO THROW GRENADES
« Last post by weedeater64 on Yesterday at 06:12:15 AM »
If I recall correctly the Ronald Reagan was to be the first carrier to not have a sextant or require anyone on board to know how to use one.

Technology can be a great tool when used intelligently, depending on it completely is stupid.
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