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Offline MnSportsman

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Making Fire With Stainless Steel? (video)
« on: September 16, 2016, 06:38:01 AM »
  Ran across this & brought it here to share. Some of you folks will enjoy it, I think.
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I enjoy this guys channel on occasion. You may want to check out some of his other videos.
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Re: Making Fire With Stainless Steel? (video)
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2016, 06:37:39 PM »
Very cool, subscribed to his channel. Thank you
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Re: Making Fire With Stainless Steel? (video)
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2016, 05:41:57 AM »
  You are welcome! He has a lot of good videos to watch when ya have the time. It is interesting to see what the guys in Russia use & do when out in the sticks. I enjoy seeing stuff like that too! :)


  I am surprised though that there was not more interest in this topic, since most folks are thinking that stainless will not spark. I have/did for years, and never tried to find out for myself. It seems that someone finally took the time to find out. I did check on using wet charcloth & demonstrated it can still take a spark, so I think it is good that someone else decided to try sparking a stainless steel. Little bit of myth busting & you can see it happen in front of your own eyes. Sparks were flying off that SS. Not as much as plain Carbon steel, but it worked for him.
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Re: Making Fire With Stainless Steel? (video)
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2016, 09:41:45 AM »
I didn't have time to watch when you first posted, but I did this morning.  I have actually experimented with sparking several different stainless steel sources.  Some worked 'pretty well' like the back of the saw in the video, but some of the others I tried produced absolutely zero sparks.  I don't know if that had to do with the composition of the steel or the shape of the item I was using, but it did show that there is SOME difference.  Maybe it's carbon content, chromium content or simply 'round and smooth' versus 'sharp edged and square'.....I don't know, BUT I proved to myself that there is a difference.  :shrug:      I think Tom Hanks found out that a figure skate makes for a passable dental tool, but a pisspoor fire-steel!  :lol:
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Re: Making Fire With Stainless Steel? (video)
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2016, 02:14:09 PM »
Good video. I like that guy.
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Re: Making Fire With Stainless Steel? (video)
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2016, 06:25:28 PM »
This is very interesting! 

There is so much "common knowledge" from dubious sources out on the interweb that it makes my head spin.  This is especially true for wild edibles.

I always enjoy hearing from someone who experiments for himself with the materials and can report from first-hand experience.  In this case, the results are very surprising!

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Re: Making Fire With Stainless Steel? (video)
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2016, 12:07:26 AM »
Thanks for the video JB. I think I'll watch some more of his work later on. I like knowing what the Russians are up too.

I'm almost positive I have a Silky saw that rusted. It's not the same model and maybe 10-12 years old so things could have changed. There is one slight possibility the one is not Silky, I'll have to check on it.

 It made me curious so I looked up the material Silky uses for that saw, SK-4. If I read the chart right the CR content was listed as .3%. That sounds so low, compared to the usual range for stainless knife steel, it is called stainless though.

Not to say that's the only thing that makes some less sparky than others. I think you'd need a known that didn't spark to compare with the sk4. I looked at 440c which has a very high C content, with CR around 14%.
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Re: Making Fire With Stainless Steel? (video)
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2016, 07:01:02 PM »
Pretty cool. I was always told that stainless couldn't make sparks either. But I can't make sparks with carbon steel and flint either... Thank you.

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Re: Making Fire With Stainless Steel? (video)
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2018, 02:48:17 PM »
Lars is awesome. Love his down to Earth style.

Calling a fresh steaming pile of bovine excrement a roast beef sandwich isn't going to make it taste any better. Go ahead if that's what floats your boat.

The link Lars himself (aka Survival Russia) provides to prove his point:
http://www.tokkin.com/materials/high_parformance/knives

Note that it lists SK4 as a ***high carbon tool steel***. As do many other sites. SK4 is oretty close to W1, which has long been known as a great choice for strikers for F&S. Word is Silky coats their SK4 with hard chrome to make it more rust resistant. Still not SS, even then.

Most saw blades make better than average strikers for F&S. Unsurprising these do also.


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Re: Making Fire With Stainless Steel? (video)
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2018, 02:59:23 PM »
Interestingly some stainless steels (aka SSs) have higher carbon content than some high carbon steels. Obviously it is not the carbon that is burning in this context. No, the carbon merely allows the iron to be hardened more. That is why it can throw sparks - the iron alloy (aka steel) has to be made hard enough. While 57-63 HRC can throw sparks when used as the "Steel" in F&S, 59-60 is the sweet spot.

It's not that SSs cannot throw sparks. (Especially with non primitive means beyond F&S!!) The thing is most SSs are too hard. While I have gotten sparks off of many of SSs, they are too few and too weak to be a reliable source for F&S.