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« on: June 30, 2012, 07:39:21 PM »
Well I thought this might be fun for those of you who can achieve fire by friction.

All you have to do is post a video (preferably) or picture of yourself making fire by friction in this thread. Once you've done that, you can go to your profile settings and request membership in the Friction Fire Fellowship member group. Make sure to mention the post number of the post where you demonstrate the skill when you send the request.

So to recap, after you post your friction fire in this thread, go to your profile, mouse over "modify profile" then you will see a drop down list. At the bottom of the list, click "group membership", and then select "Friction Fire Fellowship" from the list. When the window opens up asking you to give a reason for your request, make sure you mention the post number in this thread where you posted the fire, and an admin or moderator will add you to the group.

Membership in this group will make your username appear orange in the "who's online" list at the bottom of the forum index page.

This is just for fun. There are no prizes or anything. I just thought you guys who already have the skill should get a little recognition, and perhaps this also would offer a little in the way of motivation for those who want to learn.

So, lets see you guys spinning up some coals! :)

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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2012, 08:42:44 PM »
Thanks, PW!  You said it.  I need motivation!  I have come close but no cigar.  I now know what I will be doing all day tomorrow and the next until I get it.

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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2012, 03:04:33 AM »
Here ye go then













hand drill from the other day, not easy in the uk using our woods


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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2012, 09:55:06 AM »
First successful attempt:



Another success despite very bad technique:


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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2012, 10:05:41 AM »
Good job, gents! You guys are the first two members! :)

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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2012, 01:30:43 PM »
Way to go guys!
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« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2012, 07:50:23 PM »
I like this idea. I haven't made one in a while but here is an oldie....



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« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2012, 08:38:23 PM »
nice one creek! glad to have you back :D
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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2012, 08:45:29 PM »
Does the bow kit have to be one that we make ourselves?  I ask because I ordered a bow kit online cause I wanted to practice before I saw this thread.  So if i get a friction fire with it does that count or is that considered cheating?
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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2012, 09:19:07 PM »
Does the bow kit have to be one that we make ourselves?  I ask because I ordered a bow kit online cause I wanted to practice before I saw this thread.  So if i get a friction fire with it does that count or is that considered cheating?

I think that would be ok. So long as you aren't using a cordless drill to turn the spindle! :D

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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2012, 09:20:13 PM »
nice one creek! glad to have you back :D

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« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2012, 09:26:11 PM »

I think that would be ok. So long as you aren't using a cordless drill to turn the spindle! :D

Ok, thanks.  If anyone else feels it would be cheating, just say so and I wont participate.
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« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2012, 10:37:57 PM »
I have made my share of both hand & bow drill fires, but not ever tried a plough type method. Nor have I used my mouth to hold the block before like some used to do.. I may have to learn the last two ways if my hand doesn't heal up right...
 One of these days, when I feel I can hold a block, I will try the bow drill again & have someone take pics of me doing it. (no vid cam yet). I am afraid the way my hand is healing that I will not ever be able to do the hand drill method again.
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& it is a pity since it was my favorite way of FF. I hope I am wrong about my hand. Not whining here, but this particular injury has put a damper in doing a lot of things I enjoy doing...& also my way of making a living..


Not gonna let it get to me though. I am going to make it(FF) one of my self assigned physical therapy exercises to try to get my hand usage back...
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« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2012, 10:59:44 PM »
:(
Not whining here, but this particular injury has put a damper in doing a lot of things I enjoy doing...& also my way of making a living..


Not gonna let it get to me though. I am going to make it(FF) one of my self assigned physical therapy exercises to try to get my hand usage back...
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Trust me that I feel your pain.  My hand injury ruined the way I make a living.  I am in school to learn new skills so I can drive a desk.  Its been about 2 1/2 years and I don't have full use back and likely never will.  Somethings are just not possible now, but I keep trying some things.

I have not made a bow and drill fire.  I guess it is well past time for me to whittle a hearth and spindle out of some this sycamore, cedar,  and mulberry I have around here and give it a go.
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« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2012, 02:05:18 PM »
workin on it...

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« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2012, 02:19:13 PM »
+1 on having creek back, missed him being around.

i have a vid from when creek showed me how, but i haven't gotten the skill down by myself yet. when i come home from deployment i'll be sure to learn more and post up some success. i know if i try it on a ship it'll be frowned upon...
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« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2012, 03:10:35 PM »
Hi guys,

I haven't posted in a while but I still lurk!

I've been trying a number of local woods for a bow drill. Here is one of my finds. It's "Magnolia Macrophylla" or big leaf magnolia. I find it mostly in creek or river bottoms. It works well, very well, for a bow drill. The only problem is that it really takes up water. It needs to be dried out completley before it works.




Drill and hearth from same piece of wood.





Makes a great coal.





Good results.



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« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2012, 03:17:34 PM »
Bummer >:(.  We're really short on magnolias here in Nebraska, but it certainly looks like produces a nice coal.
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« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2012, 05:50:47 PM »
Received some good advice from Beanbag today and got my first coal this evening. Got too excited and blew it out in my tinder bundle. I just broke my hearth board and I'm sweatin like pig, I'll get back at it in the next couple days when I get back from beantown.
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« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2012, 12:12:34 AM »
CSugg, That's good enough to qualify. If you want in the group just go into your profile settings as per the instructions in the first post and one of us will get your account added to the member group. :)

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« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2012, 08:08:24 PM »
I just spent the last 2 hours struggling to make my first friction fire with the bow drill.  I made it out of some ash wood (for the record I bought this as Menards).  The spindle, also, from ash from the same piece of wood.  The bow I made out of some branches I cut off the neighbor's tree and some 550 foliage colored paracord.  My bearing block was an old skate from a skate board.  I have to say that this was the hardest thing that I did in a long time.  If my ex didn't call me and ask me for some help in the middle of my struggles, I might have quit (again).  But as I was going to her house, I thought about what I was doing wrong and made the corrections and got it to work............... ......finally.

Yes, Dumb Butt cut his thumb making a notch in the bow to hold the paracord.

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« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2012, 08:12:01 PM »
approved :D good job Matt :thumbsup:
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« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2012, 08:13:55 PM »
Congrats Matt! :thumbsup:

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« Reply #24 on: July 09, 2012, 08:17:07 PM »
Welcome to the FFF Chaos.  Bloody finger and all. 8)

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« Reply #25 on: July 09, 2012, 08:17:32 PM »
Thanks!
I had nothing but bad luck (which was my lack of experience).  I had made 4 different coals.  1st Nothing under the hearth to catch it.  2nd had a sheet of waxed paper but I couldn't pick it up off the ground and the coal burnt out.  (I bent the corner up on the waxed paper for the 3rd).  3rd had no bird nest ready.  4th finally sat down before making this one and made sure all my was in 1 bag.  Other than my not being prepared, the hardest part was making the bow drill.  I don't know why I had so much trouble with it but I did............. :shrug:

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« Reply #26 on: July 09, 2012, 08:19:48 PM »
Slightly off topic: Do any of you guys get so into your work and realize how dangerous you are actually being?  2 times, I realized while using my small knife to drill out the hearth that I brought it up to my chest right by my sternum for better leverage.  Thankfully, I caught myself and didn't stab my heart out.
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« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2012, 08:46:39 PM »
Do any of you guys get so into your work and realize how dangerous you are actually being?

Yeah, I was being stupid carving a spoon tonight.  It takes so many chops/cuts that you get careless, but I got lucky and caught myself before I cut myself.
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« Reply #28 on: July 09, 2012, 09:42:23 PM »
Do we yet have an official B&B Purple Heart medal for injuries suffered in the line of duty when trying for qualification in these ancient methods of fire production?  I think it's time to consider it :-\
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« Reply #29 on: July 10, 2012, 10:52:24 AM »
Got it this morning before breakfast, but I'm not happy with my pictures so I'm gonna try to do it again later for credit. Plus my hearth board is absolutely mangled
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« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2012, 04:45:53 PM »
Ok, here's my entry. :)


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« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2012, 09:23:16 PM »
where is your title??? you are APPROVED :P
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« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2012, 09:27:14 PM »
where is your title??? you are APPROVED :P

Well my title is taken up by "administrator" right now, lol. But I will add a custom title just for kicks. I'd have to make FFF my primary member group in order for it to be the default display group. ;)

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« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2012, 09:27:49 PM »
Way to go, PW!

Nice work!
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« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2012, 09:30:40 PM »
Way to go, PW!

Nice work!
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Thanks Matt! I'm pretty stoked about it!  8)

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« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2012, 09:31:53 PM »
Congrats P.W.!
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This is my next P.T. .

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« Reply #36 on: July 11, 2012, 12:04:42 AM »
where is your title??? you are APPROVED :P

Well my title is taken up by "administrator" right now, lol. But I will add a custom title just for kicks. I'd have to make FFF my primary member group in order for it to be the default display group. ;)

darn, i knew you wouldnt fall for it :P i was waiting for the PM "red, can you make me an administrator again, i changed my member group and now i cant log in" or something along those lines :P
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« Reply #37 on: July 11, 2012, 12:06:42 AM »
:rofl:

Yeah I am still embarrassed from the last time!  :-[

Not taking any chances this go-around.

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« Reply #38 on: July 13, 2012, 10:24:30 PM »
Cool, just see this thread.. Gonna give it a go.

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« Reply #39 on: July 14, 2012, 12:41:10 AM »
Ok, I'm going to hold off on my membership for the time being until I get success with a tinder bundle.  :doh:

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« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2012, 05:48:15 PM »
thats what I did, I forgot to take a picture of my bundle so I decided to do it again, and haven't had time to get back to it. ggrrr.

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« Reply #41 on: July 17, 2012, 11:03:45 AM »
Well, Duke & I went out yesterday in about 99-100 deg. F. heat & gusty winds ta boot. So we went back to that pine grove I have mentioned before, to get some shade & a bt of wind protection.

I was going to show a few of the methods, but after doing just one, my hurt hand was throbbing & cramping, that one is all I could do at the time. I think I may have overdid my P.T. a bit. I had some success, but I am not happy with the result, so I am D.Q.-ing myself this time, even though I got flame. It was "Pure -D dammn luck" that I got the fire the way I did. I got it when I dropped the tinder bundle, when my hurt hand started to cramp up from holding the block & then the bundle. I had to stretch my fingers to get rid of the cramp & dropped the bundle to do it. I even dropped my cellphone that I was taking pictures with, n order to massage with my good hand. The bundle wasn't lit when it left my hand, but after stretching & cussing a little while. I looked down & saw the nest was burning on the ground, where it was dropped. I quick picked up the cellphone & snapped a pic before t went out. So I do not count this as a success.  >:(


I will try again in a few days. Prolly use one of the other methods, to show them, since I have already prepped them anyway. I brought them home with me.


Here are some pics though:


Set up:



I was also gonna do some knife compares, but didn't get around to it this tirp.. Next trip, maybe.



Some of the materials, & such. Willow, ash(I think/not sure), cottonwood & bark,etc.:



Batoning 2 hearths, one for Split stick method & one for regular:






Those two hearths made & drilled:



Hearths spindles laid out & a small bearing block on right. t was too small so I used the spilt hearth as a block, drilled a bit of a divot in the middle & used that instead. Fit my injured hand better.



Made a crappy Double stick hearth & drilled a divot, should work though. Knife tip pointing at divot



Cottonwood bark as tinder bundle/nest this time:



Tinder bundle/nest made:



Bow made:



Burning in the divot:



Saved that dust to put under notch:



Notching:



Drilled & made ember, waited a bit for it to "coagulate/build" before moving to nest.



In the nest:



Waving/blowing & getting smoke. This is where my hand began to cramp & I dropped the nest & my camera:



Here is the pic where it lay on the ground where I dropped it.  >:(



Well. there it is & I am not satisfied, since I did not "blow/wave" it to flame. So, as I said... in a couple days I will give it another go. Likely with another method to show them too. Not sure yet. Let my hand rest a bit & temps to cool a bit too.
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« Reply #42 on: July 17, 2012, 11:19:30 AM »
Sounds like you're being a little strict with yourself.

'Tain't my call MNS, but if you:

A) Spun up a coal,

B) Popped it into a tinder bundle, and

C) It burst into a flame,

I would think that easily qualifies.

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« Reply #43 on: July 17, 2012, 11:28:08 AM »
Nice job, Mn!  One thing I noticed in your picture series that you showed nicely and I feel is an important part of notching a hearth board, was the undercut.  That is not normally shown in most photos I've seen of this process.  It's one that greatly enhances one's chances of achieving success in producing an easily retrievable ember that hangs together and lasts long enough to transfer to the tinder bundle.....it could be why your 'fumble' produced fire on its' accord :hail:
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« Reply #44 on: July 17, 2012, 11:40:34 AM »
MnSport..  you lost me at the 'coagulate' picture.       When your spinning the bow/stick into the hole, is that board on top of the one you put the dust on?  Your notch is lined up to the dust pile underneath on the bottom board?   

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« Reply #45 on: July 17, 2012, 07:59:50 PM »
@MnSportsman: Well, I vote you were successful. Not sure one necessarily needs to have the tinder bundle in hand when getting flame. Ya got fire by friction. Kinda like when airplane pilots say, "Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing." I guess another way of looking at it is you demonstrated success with an injury.

Perhaps you're thinking one should show his skill as repeatable (to minimize the fluke factor). Kinda like those who try to break the land speed record. They have to make two runs within an hour which are averaged together to get an official speed.
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« Reply #46 on: July 17, 2012, 08:52:13 PM »
Sounds like you're being a little strict with yourself.

'Tain't my call MNS, but if you:

A) Spun up a coal,

B) Popped it into a tinder bundle, and

C) It burst into a flame,

I would think that easily qualifies.

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Re: Friction Fire Fellowship
« Reply #47 on: July 18, 2012, 05:48:09 PM »


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Offline MnSportsman

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Re: Friction Fire Fellowship
« Reply #48 on: July 18, 2012, 06:14:26 PM »
:thumbsup: P.W.!

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I love being out in the woods!   I like this quote from Mors Kochanski - "The more you know, the less you carry". I believe in the same creed, & think  "Knowledge & honed skills" are the best things to carry with ya when you're out in the wilds. They're the ultimate "ultralight" gear! ;)

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Re: Friction Fire Fellowship
« Reply #49 on: July 18, 2012, 06:22:23 PM »
Yeah PW!!!

That's what I'm talkin' 'bout!!! 8)
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