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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #50 on: August 17, 2014, 02:41:42 PM »
Nice work mneedham!


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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #51 on: August 20, 2014, 06:17:40 PM »
Thanks for the challenge, it was fun but also shows even a small piece of char can light your fire.

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« Reply #52 on: August 20, 2014, 06:26:02 PM »
Nicely done, offtrail. :)
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« Reply #53 on: August 20, 2014, 06:30:41 PM »
Well done Offtrail! I added you to the group. :thumbsup:

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« Reply #54 on: August 20, 2014, 07:11:11 PM »
Nice technique offtrail  :thumbsup: Good show.

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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #55 on: August 20, 2014, 07:11:24 PM »
Well done Offtrail! I added you to the group. :thumbsup:
Awesome...thanks!!!

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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #56 on: August 20, 2014, 07:13:05 PM »
Nice technique offtrail  :thumbsup: Good show.

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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #57 on: August 20, 2014, 07:14:37 PM »
Here's my submission vid. It took a couple attempts. I'm still new at F&S fire after all. I started with a bundle of jute twine, but then I added some tinder fungus shavings and torn up birch bark to it.


Here's the vid. The camera was pointed down too much, so you missed a good portion me blowing the bundle to flame. :P

I can make another vid if needed.


Fun idea, PW! :)
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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #58 on: August 20, 2014, 07:23:19 PM »
Good stuff Offtrail.  Never thought of prepping the twine the way you did....

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« Reply #59 on: August 20, 2014, 08:01:55 PM »
Good stuff Offtrail.  Never thought of prepping the twine the way you did....
Thanks, it does work well, another way to do this is use a rock like a sand stone in place of the knife.

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« Reply #60 on: August 20, 2014, 08:18:54 PM »
Good stuff Offtrail.  Never thought of prepping the twine the way you did....
Thanks, it does work well, another way to do this is use a rock like a sand stone in place of the knife.
I do the same thing, but my 'technique' is a bit different.  I kneel down and trap about 4-5" of an 18" length of jute macrame cord between my knee and my knife edge.  Then I pull the cord out from beneath the knife, combing the fuzz off the end.  Repeat several more times until a suitable amount of fuzz has accumulated.  If you have a SAK with the wood saw blade in it, use that.....that thing is a fuzz-makin' monster! :spider:
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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #61 on: August 20, 2014, 08:55:36 PM »
Good stuff Offtrail.  Never thought of prepping the twine the way you did....
Thanks, it does work well, another way to do this is use a rock like a sand stone in place of the knife.
I do the same thing, but my 'technique' is a bit different.  I kneel down and trap about 4-5" of an 18" length of jute macrame cord between my knee and my knife edge.  Then I pull the cord out from beneath the knife, combing the fuzz off the end.  Repeat several more times until a suitable amount of fuzz has accumulated.  If you have a SAK with the wood saw blade in it, use that.....that thing is a fuzz-makin' monster! :spider:
Thanks for the tip it's always good to know alternate methods. In my video i was using a plastic chair to process the jute so no harm to the blade. But if the surface would dull the blade just lay the blade on the jute and pull the jute instead of scraping the blade.

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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #62 on: August 21, 2014, 04:54:54 PM »
Very nicely done Offtrail!  I actually used a small piece of a comb to "fluff" my jute, but like the way you did it; and also really like the sounds of using the SAK saw, that wolfy mentioned.


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« Reply #63 on: August 21, 2014, 05:15:25 PM »
I do the same thing, but my 'technique' is a bit different.  I kneel down and trap about 4-5" of an 18" length of jute macrame cord between my knee and my knife edge.  Then I pull the cord out from beneath the knife, combing the fuzz off the end.  Repeat several more times until a suitable amount of fuzz has accumulated.  If you have a SAK with the wood saw blade in it, use that.....that thing is a fuzz-makin' monster! :spider:

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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #64 on: September 07, 2014, 01:21:45 PM »
Challenge accepted!

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« Reply #65 on: September 07, 2014, 03:30:59 PM »
Here is my accepted completed video to the challenge.  Lots of fun!  I had to make up some new charred cloth as my old stuff was apparently damp.  I used my first production lucky number 7 allstrike , chert and roughed cedar bark for material

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« Reply #66 on: September 07, 2014, 04:03:29 PM »
Good work humble :)

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« Reply #67 on: September 07, 2014, 04:27:12 PM »
Way to go, Humble! :)
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« Reply #68 on: September 07, 2014, 04:43:54 PM »
Congrats! :thumbsup:

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« Reply #69 on: September 07, 2014, 05:00:26 PM »
Thanks Gents!  I look forward to more challenges

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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #70 on: September 09, 2014, 04:13:35 PM »
Dang!  Not sure how I missed this two days ago, and my apologies. 
Accepted & Completed - short, sweet, and to the point. 
Nice job Humble! (I admire yer forum name a lot, also!) 


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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #71 on: September 09, 2014, 04:40:33 PM »
Great stuff Humble!

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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #72 on: September 20, 2014, 08:36:19 PM »

Had a chance to revisit this today. I might have even used a smaller piece than I did two years ago. Regardless, I had fun doing it. The brew was refreshing after all the hard work too.
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« Reply #73 on: September 20, 2014, 10:29:49 PM »
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« Reply #74 on: September 21, 2014, 11:36:00 AM »
MNS - That was awesome!!  Great stuff.

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« Reply #75 on: September 21, 2014, 06:29:15 PM »
Very nicely done MnSportsman! 


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« Reply #76 on: September 21, 2014, 07:11:41 PM »
Well done, Mn! :D

...but we all knew you could do it anyway. ;)
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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #77 on: September 22, 2014, 09:16:37 AM »
  Thanks! It is a fun challenge to try, and I hope others try using a dime size or smaller charcloth piece to make fire.


  Good practice anyway. Just trying it.
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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #78 on: October 31, 2014, 06:28:46 PM »
Good job to all that killed this challenge, nice job fellow firecrafters!

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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #79 on: November 02, 2014, 02:59:47 PM »
CRAP!   :pissed:  I FINALLY get started posting photos and NOW I have to try and make a video?  :soap: :shrug:

Danged newfangled movin' pitchurs!  >:(

You post pictures now????  I have been gone far too long!!!!

I will have to get on this char cloth band wagon, too.  I just need to wait a little until my hand is better.
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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #80 on: April 17, 2015, 07:52:29 AM »
I was working on this the other day.  I had no problem getting the small piece of char to ignite.  I just had a no success getting my bird's nest to ignite.  Of course, we had just had rain and even though everything seemed dry, it was holding some moisture.  I will nail this soon, once I get back outside.
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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #81 on: April 21, 2015, 03:14:32 PM »
I did this Today, I used Milkweed ovum and Jute.
All I got were the before and after Pics.
No camera to record with.
I took a third Picture of the Char smoking but it didn't take.
Waiting for the Hand Drill. I got some Saguaro Cactus Rib and Seep willow
from Tony Nester  when I was in Az this summer.
I also got some Yucca stems that are good for Bow or Hand Drill.



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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #82 on: April 21, 2015, 04:19:59 PM »
I like that fire kit! Lots of options in there.

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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #83 on: April 21, 2015, 04:35:00 PM »
Here is a question. Im wanting to do this challenge and probably will when things slow a bit, but when we are put in the group and have the char cloth challenge under our username, will it replace the friction fire one or will two show?

There can be only one. :D

Basically, you can choose either to be your primary group, and the other will be an additional group. You will show up in both group lists at the bottom of the index page.
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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #84 on: April 21, 2015, 06:52:48 PM »
kindling bundle with punkwood char. couldn't get it to take


new char cloth


fire


I tried this a couple days ago but did not make a good bundle. I tried twice and had only a breath of flame for about a second. This time I worked harder to make a bundle with enough fuel and would not fall apart. It's cedar bark. Man oh Man, it looks like someone was knapping over here. I berated that char with sparks. Finally I switched to cloth and got the ember into kindling and managed to snap a pic before it went out this time. I hope you can count it. I don't think I can do a vid.


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« Reply #85 on: April 21, 2015, 10:49:55 PM »
Ok, got you added. You should appear in the list linked at the bottom of the index page. :thumbsup:

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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #86 on: April 23, 2015, 10:24:51 AM »
   I was just thinking about this challenge & it occurred to me to mention a tip, or two for any of you who might want to try this, but are possibly having a bit of trouble with getting the bundle to light with a dime size piece of charcloth.


    What I mean is, if you are having trouble with your charcloth going out, before you have generated enough heat to get the fibers in your nest to start glowing, or turn to additional embers to keep the nest hot & getting to the flame point. There are two tips I can share, since no one else has mentioned them here yet, and possibly some folks may not know of them.


Tip 1 - When you make your nest/tinder bundle. try making it over something that can catch the finer particles & fibers that fall as you are fluffing & shredding the material & forming the nest. Then once the nest has been formed, put the finer particles you caught in the middle of the nest where you are going to place the lit charcloth. The addition of those finer fibers will help the small charcloth form a larger ember in the nest, due to the fine size of the fibers & help the ember "grow" in size, to aid in making the nest fire up. Having too coarse of fibers in the nest may hinder the small piece of charcloth in getting the adjacent fibers hot enough to grow the ember.


Tip 2 - The addition of a coal extender like the fibers I just mentioned would be another additional way to help out. Using small pieces of shredded punk wood, milkweed ovum, fine Birch bark scrapings, etc., or the like... along with the fine fibers mentioned above, would also aid in making the ember larger & help create the heat to bring the nest to flame. I could elaborate a bit more abut this, but that should be good enough, I think.


 BTW... I did not use these tips when I did these challenges, but I thought I would offer them here to help out if anyone needed the tips... Just a little bit of knowledge to store in your brain housing group, for when you might need the info. They work with other methods also, so I think they are worthwhile to know & wanted to share them.
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Not trying to be patronizing, if anyone feels that way, I was just trying to be helpful.
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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #87 on: April 23, 2015, 11:41:09 AM »
Thanks, MnSportsman. After bumping your wet tender post I went out back to make more cloth. Decided to use only the Strikeall. So I scraped some fatwood, used it with a baton to get some lil splits. Then transferred my cloth ember to some punkwood. The rest of the fire was fueled with wood chips from other projects to simulate found wood lol.

I thought maybe my char was overcooked(Is that possible? what does it look like) so I kept an eye on it. It came out undercooked so I returned it to the fire. Eventually the escaping gasses caught fire and burned like a candle-is that good or bad? I found a fresh, sharp edged rock, a couple gentle strikes had it lit, looked like a pro. Another piece, another edge would not go, even though I saw sparks bounce off numerous times, some even sizzled. Maybe that's just the way it goes.

For the challenge, the bark I had didn't fuzz very well. the layers split apart and it crumbles. I made the bowl from a different, tougher bark and packed it with strips and all the voids were full of crumbs. Amidst all the strikes I bumped it, and had to sweep up all the little pieces and sprinkle them back in. Still was not as good as the first assemblage. Finally the one magic spark did its thing.

PW mentioned dull rocks in the other thread. Spark quality went up and down, find an edge, break, turn and break. uggg. I started with a nice rock, but by the time I finished it looked a wad of discarded chewing gum.

Thanks for the tips, maybe you have thoughts on over cooking, candle flame, or other stuff.


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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #88 on: April 23, 2015, 04:09:20 PM »
Over cooking is a common problem. Usually the char is still usable but not optimum.

I use denim from old jeans for my char. One pair of jeans makes a lot of charcloth. When it is done, it will have transitioned from brown to black completely. Once it has changed, any additional time spent in the heat will just weaken and deplete it.

Good charcloth feels velvety and it remains supple. It will tear easily, but it will offer a little resistance to tearing. It can be folded loosely without breaking. If it cooks too long it becomes brittle and dusty and can be "smeared" easily between your fingers into a black dusty paste like consistency that no longer resembles cloth at all.

Some of the best charcloth I have made comes out of the tin with a little bit of brown undercooked char at the center. I set the undercooked stuff aside and use the black char from the outer layers.

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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #89 on: April 23, 2015, 04:46:10 PM »
Good descriptions. my towel char has some resilience but smears just as you describe, and breaks up rather easily. The stuff I made last night from canvas fits exactly with what you say about the good stuff.  Next time when I find the center undercooked I will separate the stuff that is finished rather than refiring the whole thing.

Thanks PW. I feel like I'm on the edge of a breakthrough.

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« Reply #90 on: April 12, 2016, 06:58:19 PM »
Here are some pics of my efforts and some other things as well.  I will try to explain them as we go.

These are some of my strikers, flint, etc...


A couple close ups of some of them





My setup as I prepare for the challenge



Close up of the striker (From Lisa West), my flint (from Shell Creek, Wyoming), the jute (from my wife's crafting stash...don't tell her), my charcloth (from a pair of my old jeans).



Getting some sparks a flying



Blowing on the ember



It's getting hot



Putting it in the jute bird's nest



About ready to start blowing



My Beagle, Bailey, wants to help



Almost there



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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #91 on: April 12, 2016, 07:07:16 PM »
:thumbsup:


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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #92 on: April 12, 2016, 07:13:00 PM »
Nice collection of firesteels!  Does Lisa have a website? :shrug:
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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #93 on: April 12, 2016, 11:29:57 PM »
Nicely done wjhames! 


I picked up an axe head striker from Lisa some years ago now. Pretty unique, and exceptional quality.


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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #94 on: April 13, 2016, 09:37:06 PM »
Congrats!

Is that obsidian in some of the pictures? I never had very good luck getting obsidian to spark with a firesteel, but it does knap very well.

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« Reply #95 on: April 14, 2016, 03:46:33 AM »
Yes, it is obsidian.  I have some very nice pieces that are used for making arrowheads, spearheads, etc...  All of it from North Central Wyoming.  It creates some great sparks for me, and like you said, it knaps very nicely.

Here are a couple pics -



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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #96 on: April 15, 2016, 09:59:25 AM »
While rounding up some gear for a mini reunion in the North Kaibab Forest in June.
I ran across my mini steel, just knew I was going to do this again.
 

Tinder Bundle was sagebrush bark and milkweed ovum


Blowing a coal


Working it......


Fire...........



I think like P.W. does ,flint and steel is a great way to start a fire............


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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #97 on: April 15, 2016, 10:41:30 AM »
Nicely done! :thumbsup:

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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #98 on: April 15, 2016, 10:44:52 AM »
:thumbsup:


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Re: Charred Cloth Challenge
« Reply #99 on: April 15, 2016, 11:30:47 AM »
Thanks to both of you.
I wanted to do this a second time do to my poor documenting
of the first one...........
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