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Advice on canvas tent vs tipi
« on: August 24, 2014, 09:29:05 AM »
I didn't see this anywhere else although I may have missed it...

After a lot of tarp, hammock, backpacking I'm looking into a longer stay 4 season set up to be carried by machine or animal other than me. I have much distant experience with old school canvas (where you touch the spot right above your head when it's raining kind of thing) but things have changed a lot and no real experience with tipis. Weight is a consideration since I'll be alone and price is something I'll just have to live with but quality construction is important.

Requirements are (in no particular order):
1 person set up and be able to haul around for short distances.
4 season use.
Water resistant and mildew treated.
Room to stay inside comfortably for an entire day or 2 at a time in interesting weather.  10 -12 ft side footprint is a guess at a minimum.
Can take heavy winds.
Wood heat capable.
Durability
Customer service.
American made is always my preference when possible.

I know that's not much info but after searching the interweb for a while it seems the best step now is to find out what those using tents or tipis have to advise or opinions to share.

Thanks amigos.



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Re: Advice on canvas tent vs tipi
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2014, 09:38:42 AM »
Just a quick search turned up this site which has some interesting info on several models.

http://livabletent.s3.amazonaws.com/index.html


This site looks particularly promising:

http://snowtrekkertents.com/index.html

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Re: Advice on canvas tent vs tipi
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2014, 09:51:04 AM »
If you are looking for something like this

http://www.diamondbrand.com/manufacturing/cat/outdoor_gear/outdoor_shelters/bsa_licensed_tents/ 

I know a guy  8)  shoot me a PM if you are interested
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Re: Advice on canvas tent vs tipi
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2014, 10:00:27 AM »
I was just about to suggest one of those tents from WB....

http://bladesandbushlore.com/index.php?topic=6865.0

I've had one of these for decades.....excelle nt quality & WOLFY APPROVED!   :tent:
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Re: Advice on canvas tent vs tipi
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2014, 10:51:08 AM »
Mine only weighs 25 lbs with no poles!  :camp:



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Re: Advice on canvas tent vs tipi
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2014, 01:19:28 PM »
Does it have to be canvas? Kifaru, Ti Goat and Seek Outside have high quality wood stove heated tipi tents that are good for four season use. They will be much, much, much, much lighter than the canvas equivalent. There is also YouTube footage of a guy who converted a GoLite Shangri-La 3 for use with a wood stove (a common modification for the SL3 and 5). I've used the SL3 for quite some time during winter, and it has held up great. None of this stuff is cheap, but neither is a quality canvas tent. Just a thought.

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Re: Advice on canvas tent vs tipi
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2014, 03:11:49 PM »
I didn't see this anywhere else although I may have missed it...

After a lot of tarp, hammock, backpacking I'm looking into a longer stay 4 season set up to be carried by machine or animal other than me. I have much distant experience with old school canvas (where you touch the spot right above your head when it's raining kind of thing) but things have changed a lot and no real experience with tipis. Weight is a consideration since I'll be alone and price is something I'll just have to live with but quality construction is important.

Requirements are (in no particular order):
1 person set up and be able to haul around for short distances.
4 season use.
Water resistant and mildew treated.
Room to stay inside comfortably for an entire day or 2 at a time in interesting weather.  10 -12 ft side footprint is a guess at a minimum.
Can take heavy winds.
Wood heat capable.
Durability
Customer service.
American made is always my preference when possible.

I know that's not much info but after searching the interweb for a while it seems the best step now is to find out what those using tents or tipis have to advise or opinions to share.

Thanks amigos.

Your requirements really point to a Tipi.
http://www.springvalleylodges.com/tipis.html

Can be set up by one person.
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Re: Advice on canvas tent vs tipi
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2016, 08:37:00 PM »
Is there anybody who have tried a hammock inside these tents?   

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Re: Advice on canvas tent vs tipi
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2016, 06:55:20 PM »
i say get a three wife teepee with buffalo robes' go for broke.

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Re: Advice on canvas tent vs tipi
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2016, 07:38:36 AM »
I didn't see this anywhere else although I may have missed it...

After a lot of tarp, hammock, backpacking I'm looking into a longer stay 4 season set up to be carried by machine or animal other than me. I have much distant experience with old school canvas (where you touch the spot right above your head when it's raining kind of thing) but things have changed a lot and no real experience with tipis. Weight is a consideration since I'll be alone and price is something I'll just have to live with but quality construction is important.

Requirements are (in no particular order):
1 person set up and be able to haul around for short distances.
4 season use.
Water resistant and mildew treated.
Room to stay inside comfortably for an entire day or 2 at a time in interesting weather.  10 -12 ft side footprint is a guess at a minimum.
Can take heavy winds.
Wood heat capable.
Durability
Customer service.
American made is always my preference when possible.

I know that's not much info but after searching the interweb for a while it seems the best step now is to find out what those using tents or tipis have to advise or opinions to share.

Thanks amigos.

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Re: Advice on canvas tent vs tipi
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2016, 09:20:06 AM »
Vallehombre has achieved 'mute status'. :-X  :lol:
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Re: Advice on canvas tent vs tipi
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2017, 06:59:31 AM »
once you have had a good tipi it is hard to imagine trading off for canvas tent.  The tipi wears canvas like pretty ladys wear their jeans...nice and tight. any canvas tents i ever saw fit like an old man's bibs.

tipis are designed for having fires and or stoves. the liner and smoke flaps draw the smoke out beautifully once you get hang of how flaps work. the tight canvas takes any wind we got here on the  prairie except for tornados and i think they would fare well in one of those too. the conical shape sheds wind and rain very well. anyway, i could talk about how i love tipis all day. you might not find anybody that wants to talk canvas tents...all day!  good luck.

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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2017, 08:17:00 AM »
once you have had a good tipi it is hard to imagine trading off for canvas tent.  The tipi wears canvas like pretty ladys wear their jeans...nice and tight. any canvas tents i ever saw fit like an old man's bibs.

tipis are designed for having fires and or stoves. the liner and smoke flaps draw the smoke out beautifully once you get hang of how flaps work. the tight canvas takes any wind we got here on the  prairie except for tornados and i think they would fare well in one of those too. the conical shape sheds wind and rain very well. anyway, i could talk about how i love tipis all day. you might not find anybody that wants to talk canvas tents...all day!  good luck.

Being an owner & devotee of the plains tipi and a student of the Laubins since I bought their book up in Anchorage in 1973 (I know, because I just peeked at the receipt 'bookmark' inside the $1.65 cover here on my bookshelf), I have to agree with you! :cheers:

Who made yours?  I think I spied an ozan rolled back along the top of your liner in a recent photo you posted, too.  Lots of people neglect to add that vitally important piece of the tipi-pie to their lodge.  Your turn.  :popcorn:

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Re: Advice on canvas tent vs tipi
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2017, 09:36:49 AM »
While I love tipis it should be pointed out that the vast majority of tents in use anyplace north of southern Minnesota all the way to the arctic regions are various types of canvas wall tents.  A lot of them have a stove.

Tipis are great when it comes to long term or more or less permanent camps in most uses in the states.  I see a few tipi style tents but they are small and use very few poles.  These are in the tourist campgrounds.
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Re: Advice on canvas tent vs tipi
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2017, 10:34:08 AM »
once you have had a good tipi it is hard to imagine trading off for canvas tent.  The tipi wears canvas like pretty ladys wear their jeans...nice and tight. any canvas tents i ever saw fit like an old man's bibs.

tipis are designed for having fires and or stoves. the liner and smoke flaps draw the smoke out beautifully once you get hang of how flaps work. the tight canvas takes any wind we got here on the  prairie except for tornados and i think they would fare well in one of those too. the conical shape sheds wind and rain very well. anyway, i could talk about how i love tipis all day. you might not find anybody that wants to talk canvas tents...all day!  good luck.

Being an owner & devotee of the plains tipi and a student of the Laubins since I bought their book up in Anchorage in 1973 (I know, because I just peeked at the receipt 'bookmark' inside the $1.65 cover here on my bookshelf), I have to agree with you! :cheers:

Who made yours?  I think I spied an ozan rolled back along the top of your liner in a recent photo you posted, too.  Lots of people neglect to add that vitally important piece of the tipi-pie to their lodge.  Your turn.  :popcorn:

Ours(14') was made in 2010 by Don Strinz. I am not sure he personally made many more after that and he has since sold out to Garret so may be one of the last ones he made...and that's special to us. Don is a character. Like Garret too but prices since went way up and business moved out west. Not sure if I've ever even seen a tipi Garrett made so don't know his skills there. Still, big fan of strinztipi. Sure their wall tents are top-notch, too.
We do not have a dedicated ozan but i will fassion one out of canvas drops when really cold. Tipi and liner are sunforger and my drops are just hemmed painter's cloth. Our Laubins book is always along in sealed a ziplock when not being read.
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Re: Advice on canvas tent vs tipi
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2017, 11:29:37 AM »
Don's an old friend of mine from clear back in the '70s, if my 'rememberer' is workin' correctly.  I bought my 16' tipi second-hand in 1971 from a guy whose sqaw had 'split the blanket' with him and demanded even more fooferaw to call it even. :spider:      Anyway, it was made by Dick and Katie Kop of R-K Lodges......well made and it's still in use. :thumbsup:
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« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2017, 11:48:48 AM »
nice.
as a kid i would get to go to them old shoots out in lexington ainsworth, cozad, etc. Even had a few in my little vilage of Davey when Ihm had his muzzleloading shop there. Goodle Days. I grew up camping in 18' my parents made using the Laubin book. It was made in early 70's out of plain ole 6oz duck and poorly weather treated until it finally seasoned out. Usually my Dad set it up late at night and after few beers but always seemed to  be fine in the morning. them memories really make me appreciate the  new sunforger type canvas' these days to the old stuff, that could mildew in minutes if not cared for right, go up in flames from slightest spark or water coming thru loose weave. i am spoiled.  :D

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« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2017, 12:25:35 PM »
Yeah, that sunforger canvas is really good stuff, but mine was made long before that primo material hit the market.  The liner on mine got badly mildewed from being set up for too long at a time without being taken out, hung up and dried.  Laziness will catch up with ya' in the long run, I guess. :shrug:

I wonder what ever became of that big ol' flint wall gun that was hanging up high in Ihm's showroom......I coveted that thing!  :drool:
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Re: Advice on canvas tent vs tipi
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2017, 07:10:33 PM »
buddy of mine had a Don Strinz miner's pyramid - 12x2 base.
great tent.
set the 4 corner stakes, slide in the center pole, and you could toss your gear in out of the weather at that point - then go around and set the rest of the stakes.
 
I inherited his 8x8 - not bad for 1 person, a little too snug for 2 unless most of your gear stayed outside.

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Re: Advice on canvas tent vs tipi
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2017, 08:21:16 PM »
buddy of mine had a Don Strinz miner's pyramid - 12x2 base.
great tent.
set the 4 corner stakes, slide in the center pole, and you could toss your gear in out of the weather at that point - then go around and set the rest of the stakes.
 
I inherited his 8x8 - not bad for 1 person, a little too snug for 2 unless most of your gear stayed outside.
A 12x2 base? :shocked:   You guys must have had to sleep in single file! :lol:

I'll take a wild guess here and assume you meant 12x12. :shrug:

The 12x12s make a pretty decent shelter, but the 14x14 isn't very good in high wind conditions........t hey tend to self-destruct. :-\
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Re: Advice on canvas tent vs tipi
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2017, 06:02:52 PM »
pbttt....
12x12....
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« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2017, 07:14:56 PM »
Yeah, I knew what you meant.......it was just the mental image of a 12x2 that made me giggle a bit.  :cheers:    The 14x14 pyramid that I stayed in on a trip down the Missouri in a fur-trade era mackinaw boat tested it beyond its limits.  It would probably be OK in an area where high winds were not a threat, but where we were it WAS! :(     I think it was only the second or third time it had been put up, however the guyed, but otherwise unsupported surfaces of the design just couldn't take the stress.  It ripped from one corner nearly to the apex of the roof. :'(
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« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2017, 08:43:31 PM »
wolfy, that missouri river trip needs to be thread of it's own. like to hear more about that boat, too. i am currently building little shanty boat now from online plans from lisa b. good. prepping for the fiberglass and resin, atm. love river stories.

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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2017, 10:31:43 AM »
wolfy, that missouri river trip needs to be thread of it's own. like to hear more about that boat, too. i am currently building little shanty boat now from online plans from lisa b. good. prepping for the fiberglass and resin, atm. love river stories.
I imagine everyone here shuddered when they read your recommendation, LC.....but I will see what I can do. :lol:  :canoe: :cheers:
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Over there in the USA you have a pretty good line up of decently-priced canvas wall tents, bakers or even whelens which will do the job on a vehicle-borne expedition.

Unless I take a significant other I usually sleep in a swag under the stars or under a canvas tarp or nylon hootchie if the weather is bad, but I do own a few larger canvas tents.

You guys have seen these?

They're called a bell tent and are very popular with VW Kombi campers and the like in the UK and Europe, and they are starting to be sold by a lot of places in Australia too. They're styled in similar fashion to an old-timey British army bell tent, but have a sort of A-frame over the door which keeps the rain out. They are popular with glamping outfits and with festival goers. I was interested in them because of their heritage. They date back to at least the early 1700s as a military tent design - and probably earlier.

Similar sized military bell tents in use in the UK by British Army personnel in the 1910s.

I was tasked with torture testing a 4m model over a period of six months. It went all over the country with me in the back of the landcruiser, hell I even took it canoeing. It has mosquito net doors and a zipped in heavy duty groundsheet. The tent stood up well to some of the word rain and hailstorms we've had for decades around these parts and the only time I saw water in the tent was when it was dripping off my hat when I poked my head in.


The test tent - taken during a canoe trip. Probably why chicks dig these tents.

For a couple, or a couple and one or two kids it's awesome. Heaps of room, light and airy inside and you can even roll the sides up for a cross breeze in hot weather. To pitch it takes me just under 10 minutes by myself. You stake out the groundsheet, erect the single central pole, put the door A-frame in place then just stake out the guy ropes. So simple, even I can do it. Downside is that it's canvas so it requires special care and handling, and the whole weighs around 23kg (50lbs). I liked it so much that when I gave the test model back I bought one just like it.



Fast forward another couple of years and I've gone and bought a more old-fashioned version of the same thing.



Looks the same? Sure. There's a few important differences though. Gone is the peaked doorway and zippers. It's replaced by a set of angled doors with dutch lacing closures. There's no attached groundsheet. It comes with a flimsy lightweight plastic thing that I won't use. There's no insect netting either. The steel poles and stakes have been replaced with wooden ones, the guy line adjusters have gone from steel triangles to old fashioned timber adjusters. The guy lines themselves are hempen laid ropes as opposed to the kernmantle nylon cords on the other one. The tent is much lighter and the bulk is reduced considerably compared to the "modern" style. When packed up the package is more square and flat so it's easier to pack.


Dutch lacing door closure system on a vintage style bell tent.


The thing I like about this particular vintage style bell tent is that it's the same basic dimensions as the modern 4m bell tents like I had previously, so I can easily buy off the shelf an inner net tent for when I have company, and other things like lightweight groundsheets and such.

The modern tents are made in China, so you can get them off Aliexpress. I paid under A$500 (approx US$400) for mine and they are almost as cheap on the Bay of E. The vintage style one comes from Canvas Tent Shop out of the UK and I think it cost me about A$550 (US$440) shipped. That's minus the 20% VAT tax that overseas folks don't have to pay on UK purchases.

They are easy to pitch, roomy, old-timey, waterproof if pitched properly, they look good, your wives/girlfriends will love them and want to go camping every weekend - which may or may not be a good thing.



If it's just you and a couple of mates on a hunting trip it's a good base camp tent. You can accommodate 4 or five people and their gear with ease as long as you have a tarp pitched outside as a kitchen, sittin' area for bad weather. It's better than a US army pup tent but I still wouldn't want to be cooped up in a bell tent for days on end with a couple of buddies due to bad weather.

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