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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #100 on: October 24, 2017, 07:36:19 PM »
Hope it is ok if I steal your idea?



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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #101 on: October 26, 2017, 01:05:08 PM »
Really Really nice Sarge!  When you get brave enough for a passaround I call first dibs! 
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #102 on: October 26, 2017, 03:30:34 PM »
Little late in the game for that OE. 
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #103 on: October 26, 2017, 06:01:32 PM »
Little late in the game for that OE. 
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #104 on: October 26, 2017, 08:44:13 PM »
You guys are all business! LOL
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #105 on: October 26, 2017, 08:48:52 PM »
I do believe that's the first time I ever heard that being said of me. :shrug:  :lol:
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #106 on: October 26, 2017, 09:21:05 PM »
I do believe that's the first time I ever heard that being said of me. :shrug:  :lol:
LOL!
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #107 on: October 26, 2017, 09:26:49 PM »
Well, I got it sharpened and finished the sheath for it.


It cuts like the second one so I'm pleased with it.





Now, onto #4....

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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #108 on: October 27, 2017, 08:45:05 AM »
Love it!  I really like the slim sheaths that aren't any bigger than they need to be.  That is a great package.  Safe to say you found the right one and can proceed with replicating it?
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #109 on: October 27, 2017, 05:43:54 PM »
I like the layard hole & sheath.
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #110 on: October 28, 2017, 08:49:58 AM »
Horace and I don't need no steenkin' lanyard holes! :cheers:




........but we both love simple, moulded, pouch-style sheaths with NO retaining straps. :thumbsup:
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #111 on: October 28, 2017, 10:12:18 AM »
I too like no lanyard holes, fancy pins, or other stuff, on this particular knife.  The sheath is fan *&^%^& ing tastic. 

The reason for the simple approach to this knife is that is replicates an icon knife.  If I had two of them one would be plain and the other could have the mosaic pins and lanyard hole and stuff like that.

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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #112 on: October 28, 2017, 11:48:27 AM »
EXACTLY! :thumbsup:   This IS an ICON knife and doesn't need foofaraw to make it 'better'....it's already better in its original-design simplicity.  Since Sarge is a talented custom knife-maker that has been blessed with a RARE opportunity to measure and photograph an original, he can please EVERYONE that desires extras in theirs  :shrug:.....or for the purists among us O:-) O:-), an even more rare opportunity to own a close-as-humanly-possible copy that hasn't been ed with, or one that has the original design sullied in any way, shape or form! :banana:
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #113 on: October 28, 2017, 02:49:05 PM »
Thanks, guys. I really appreciate the interest in this knife. I am equally as excited by it.

I don't know if Loveless coined the phrase or just repeated it but he's the first I heard say it regarding his classic skinner, "it's everything it needs to be and nothing it doesn't". That has been said about this knife, too.

The original, at a glance, is so simple yet it has much going on. I won't pimp it out too much - just a lanyard tube here ... maybe a mosaic pin there. Same with the sheath. I think I like the latest one best thus far - simple, minimal, etc. Again "it's everything it needs to be and nothing it doesn't".

Knife #2 is probably the best cutting knife I've made to date. Knife #3 should be very close (geometry wise) - I just haven't used it as much. Put Knife #2 through the paces at a recent outing - several of us cut, chopped, shaved, whittled, and batoned hickory all weekend. I only stropped it once or twice the whole time. Not bad for saw blade mystery metal. I'm quite pleased with it.

I'll get #4 under way asap.
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #114 on: October 28, 2017, 03:47:45 PM »
Thanks for that update Sarge.  Those of us on the "where is mine?" list are pleased as punch with the progress you are making.

I like what Loveless said about particular knives.  Spot on.
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #115 on: October 31, 2017, 05:25:07 PM »
well once again i'v been inspired by sarge's work to do my own set
of kepharts, a few because i dont want to do all of them in black walnut, just 2.
the rest will be other types of wood, but no lanyard holes and all will use
brass cutlery pins. as of today i have 4 in the works. i really like
some of the wood i'll be using. and i hope to show them.
btw, i hope this is'nt conciderd hijacking the thread in anyway.
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #116 on: October 31, 2017, 06:25:19 PM »
btw, i hope this is'nt conciderd hijacking the thread in anyway.

Take it from the King of Hijackers.....it ain't! :lol:
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #117 on: January 06, 2018, 12:54:43 PM »
Worked the past month or so clear off the work bench. Finally got back to this project this week.


#1, 2, and 3 across the top. #4 is at the bottom of the pic (#5 is above #4). I feel like I'm getting close with the grinds but I'm trying to shave weight now. The original weighs in at 5.5 oz. and mine so far have been around 7 oz. I didn't think to weigh any of those blanks before I added scales.

On #4, I tapered the blade and tang a little more that the first three. I also hollowed out the tang a bit and got the blank's weight down to 4.75 oz. I'll see how it ends up with scales/pins and see if I need to make the next blank even lighter before scales.
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #118 on: January 06, 2018, 08:03:27 PM »
Since you're getting this close......we need to talk before you make the actual 'Wolfhart.' 8) :banana:       I have a couple of thoughts & questions. :P :shrug:
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #119 on: January 06, 2018, 09:37:22 PM »
Since you're getting this close......we need to talk before you make the actual 'Wolfhart.' 8) :banana:       I have a couple of thoughts & questions. :P :shrug:
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #120 on: January 06, 2018, 09:40:26 PM »
I think my spot is after wolfy. 

Sarge, just make mine however you want.  Closer to the original the better but tweaks here are there are fine.  Thanks.
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #121 on: January 06, 2018, 09:47:54 PM »
wsdstan :duel: wolfy

Hahahahaha!

You got it, Stan!

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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #122 on: January 09, 2018, 05:52:51 PM »
Just finished #4.


I used a caliper to check handle dimensions/thickness while shaping it. Not sure why I didn't do it with the others but I feel like I really got close to the shape and contour of the original this time.


I tapered the tang a little more than the previous attempts to shed weight.


In addition to the taper, I concave ground some more steel from the center of the tang. I got the blank down to 4.5 oz. before the scales / pins. I didn't weight any of the previous blanks before adding scales so now I know the target weight before adding them. The finished weight with scales and pins is 5.5 oz. - that's the weight of the original.


As a result of lightening up the tang, the balance point is just slightly forward of the pinch point. Not a big deal but with #5, I'll try to taper the blade a little more and the tang a little less to push the balance point back to the pinch point.


Kept it simple with the sheath.

Gratuitous final shot...
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #123 on: January 09, 2018, 06:00:23 PM »
That is just WOW!  Great job Sarge.
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #124 on: January 09, 2018, 07:06:39 PM »
I know I've said it before, but....

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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #125 on: January 09, 2018, 07:14:54 PM »
Thanks, wsdstan.

Can't go wrong with Flounder, wolfy...after all, he's a legacy.
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #126 on: January 09, 2018, 07:51:33 PM »
The knife as a whole just looks fantastic but the thing that stands out most to me is the precision of the tapers. Very nice.

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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #127 on: January 09, 2018, 07:53:03 PM »
Thanks, wsdstan.

Can't go wrong with Flounder, wolfy...after all, he's a legacy.

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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #128 on: January 10, 2018, 04:22:21 AM »
Fantastic

Wonderful.
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #129 on: January 10, 2018, 04:31:52 AM »
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #130 on: January 21, 2018, 06:49:47 PM »
A few days ago, we had snow on the ground, daytime highs in the teens and overnight lows in the single digits. I took advantage of temps in the upper 50's today and took Kephart #5 outside.




#5 is very similar to #4 but no lanyard tube - just 3 pins like the original. Also got #5 to balance back closer to the pinch point. I went with a Kephart style sheath, too.

Since Kephart wrote about using a knife for "such homely work as ... frying spuds", I took it to the kitchen first. I diced some onions...


Then sliced and diced potatoes...


Then took it out for a one stick fire


I doubt Horace woulda batoned with his but...






I don't think Horace would have used his knife with a flint (or a ferro rod) either...




I very happy with this one - cleaned it up and finished the sheath



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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #131 on: January 21, 2018, 07:12:16 PM »
Superb piece of craftsmanship Sarge. I like that nice dark walnut.

Back when I first found the museum pics I wanted to make some of the small copper rivets like the original sheath. Never did it though, just lost the motivation.

I am really glad you've kept the motivation to bring this project so far. It suits my persnickity nature.

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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #132 on: January 21, 2018, 07:49:03 PM »
It just comes along better and better.  What a great job you have and are doing with these.  As someone once said the ox is slow but the earth is patient. 

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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #133 on: January 21, 2018, 08:00:23 PM »
Thanks, guys. The first couple were ok but I'm really pleased with the last two.

Unknown, I buffed the scales on #5 with black magic compound - that darkened them some. I put boiled linseed oil on them instead of the Tru-Oil I've used on the previous knives.

I found some copper rivets pretty close to the museum sheath but decided not to use them on this most recent sheath. I'm sure I'll try then at some point. I wish I had a nice clear pic of the phoenix tooled on the museum sheath.
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #134 on: January 21, 2018, 08:13:15 PM »
I'm nearly speechless! :-X

Nearly. ;)

The knife is a gorgeous, perfect as possible clone of the original in MY mind's eye. :thumbsup:

The sheath, I want to talk to you about. 8)
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #135 on: January 21, 2018, 08:20:55 PM »
I am again impressed with your work and attention to detail
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #136 on: January 21, 2018, 09:39:56 PM »
I thought it was an eagle stamped on the sheath :shrug:

You found some small, tiny CU rivets and burs? Do you mean found like an old box full in a flea mkt. or a source you're willing to share? I can think of a number of projects that would be enhanced with something like that.

The walnut looks totally natural btw.

 Best pic I could find https://www.google.com/search?q=kephart+original++sheath&client=safari&hl=en-us&prmd=sivn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiE0amG5-rYAhVSF6wKHW6vCHI4ChD8BQgQKAI&biw=1024&bih=672#imgdii=fYxJ_KvI9ghosM:&imgrc=YRDXNsCveVcO3M:

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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #137 on: January 22, 2018, 09:34:43 AM »
I appreciate you guys!

Thanks for the links, Unknown. I don't know what the image is. A phoenix is usually depicted in flames, this bird is clearly not. Looks like the bird on the sheath is carrying a snake? Looks like the snake's tail is looped on the left and possibly its head to the lower right? Carrying a snake would be way more eagle-like. :shrug:


I wondered if the image might be (Eastern) Cherokee related and I found this phoenix. It is from a Western Cherokee newspaper but Kep was from the Midwest. The top of the bird on the sheath looks a lot like this to me...


It's harder to tell what's going on at the bottom of the stamp/tooling... head turned to the left, one leg to the right, maybe some tail feathers, can't quite make out the left leg.

I REALLY want to try to reproduce it one of these days.
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #138 on: January 22, 2018, 09:50:48 AM »
The second link doesn't go to the correct picture. However if you look at the images below you can see another angle with the yellow ruler. I think there are more pics out there with the yellow ruler. Those are the most clear and bright I have seen

I found mention that the copper R and B are number 14 size.

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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #139 on: January 22, 2018, 10:22:58 AM »
I wonder who the person was that designed that eagle stamp?  You can bet it was not John James Audubon, though.....the legs are bending the wrong way at the knee joint! :coffee:
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #140 on: March 05, 2018, 07:05:59 PM »
On the Kephart front, I've got scales mounted and epoxy curing on the first O1 tool steel version. Very pleased so far. I'll post pics as soon as I get the handle shaped.
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #141 on: March 05, 2018, 07:16:29 PM »
Thanks for the update.
Sarge you said you had small Cu rivets. I'd not like ordering some and end up with something to large. Do you know what size you have? I assume they are matching in size to the HK sheath.
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #142 on: March 05, 2018, 07:25:21 PM »
 :banana: :drool:
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #143 on: March 05, 2018, 07:32:16 PM »
Thanks for the update.
Sarge you said you had small Cu rivets. I'd not like ordering some and end up with something to large. Do you know what size you have? I assume they are matching in size to the HK sheath.

I checked my stash ... they are from Tandy and the only thing I saw in the store that I thought might work. The are size #12 - the shaft is 1/2" long, the head and washer are about 3/8" in diameter.
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #144 on: March 05, 2018, 08:28:54 PM »
I have been wondering about this the last couple of weeks.  Thanks for the updates. 
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #145 on: March 14, 2018, 08:33:26 PM »
Here is the first one in O1 tool steel ... Peters' Heat Treated, cryo treated, and Rockwell tested at 59C. 


I'm pleased with the grinds.


Sheath is 8-9 oz. weight leather


Black walnut with some figure


At 6 oz, this one is about a half ounce heavier than the original but the balance is just right.

Current status:


Tired of 1.5" x 36" bar stock .... I found some O1 in 1/8" x 10" x 12"

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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #146 on: March 14, 2018, 08:54:13 PM »
Kephart would be frothing at the bit to get his hands on that one.  It is a beautiful piece of work.  Thanks for posting this Sarge.
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #147 on: March 14, 2018, 09:22:07 PM »
Really nice work!   :cheers:
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #148 on: March 15, 2018, 09:28:44 AM »

  I'm a huge fan of Kephart styled knives and your version has to be one of the finest examples of Kephart's original knife that I've seen.

  So when can we expect to see them go up for sale, that's after Wolfy and Stan get theirs of course ?
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Re: Colclesser Project WIP
« Reply #149 on: March 15, 2018, 01:31:56 PM »
Thanks guys! I?m trying to make something Horace would give a thumbs up. Haha!

Moe, let me see how long it takes me to get the next 2 or 3 finished then I?ll have a better idea how long it will take to complete the knives I have promised.

Thanks again!
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