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WILD HOGS......(NOT THE MOVIE)
« on: November 16, 2017, 08:25:30 AM »
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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2017, 11:37:01 AM »

 They are a growing problem in a lot of areas,  the other side of the issue that I'm hearing is that they aren't all that safe to eat anymore.
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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2017, 01:28:07 PM »
Why? :shrug:
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2017, 06:10:32 PM »
Why? :shrug:

  I watched a documentary a few months ago about the damage that wild boars and feral hogs are causing in the southern states, also the Danger to people, pets, and farm animals in rural areas,  some of the wild boars are mating with different breeds of feral hogs, the offspring can reach up to 800 pounds.
  Anyhow a few of the hunters were being interviewed,  one was asked if they were going to hold a pig roast to celebrate the hunt,  he said no way, those things are full of parasites and disease, then they went on to explain that the lifestyle and diet that the wild pigs are living are rendering the meat iffy at best,
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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2017, 06:33:08 PM »
I question that statement.......... ....of course! :cheers:   All hogs, domestic or wild, will eat all sorts of vile crap that would puke a dog off a gut wagon, but it doesn't affect the edibility of the finished product.....IF it is FULLY cooked!  Game meats like bear and wild hogs are prime examples of those that need thorough cooking to be safe from the effects of trichinella spiralis.  I may be unaware of the newer findings, but I haven't heard of any of them yet. :shrug:
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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2017, 09:23:04 AM »

  Neither have I wolfy,  but it doesn't hurt to be cautious when you don't know for sure,  I've bagged wild bore, Russians and Razorbacks and they were good eats, but that was before this epidemic of feral critters.
  I've hunted Squirrel since I was nine years old and didn't know about checking for spots on their livers until a couple of years ago, or that it could be harmful to eat any that had the spots, and never got sick from eating any that might have had them, now that I do know about it I'm paranoid about looking for stuff like that when I'm cleaning any game that I harvest.
  But then again any wild game that I cook gets cooked well done, except for venison tenderloins, steaks. and chops.   
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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2017, 09:36:25 AM »
HOLY COW, we agree with each other AGAIN? :shocked: :lol: :cheers:
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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2017, 02:59:44 PM »
For what it's worth regarding wild hogs from the CDC.  https://www.cdc.gov/brucellosis/pdf/brucellosis_and_hoghunters.pdf

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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2017, 05:00:49 PM »
I did not know that wild hogs were susceptible to brucellosis or were carriers of it, but it is very common in wild American Bison herds.  It does not hurt THEM a bit, but if they (as carriers) pass it on to domestic herds of beef cattle it can be devastating.  Saliva residue left by the bison on grasses that the cattle then graze upon can then spread the disease throughout the herd of cattle.  The biggest problem for cattle is that it produces stillborn calves.  A BIG deal for Montana cattle ranchers when the Yellowstone Park bison wander outside the northern boundary of the park onto their cattle ranches and mingle with their herds!
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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2017, 06:41:59 PM »
The first reading of what Moe said I mistakenly got the impression that the hunters were saying the wild meat was being contaminated from recent escapees

But we know T is largely under control when it comes to domestic hogs. If anything pasture raised pork would be more prone to infection but still would be rare, I think.

In the wild, the pigs are most likely to come into contact with carries like skunk, opossum, raccoon and rats, or even from eating another (dead) infected pig. I have taken the time to look to see if any studies have been done to determine the infection rates found in feral pig populations.
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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2017, 07:05:15 PM »
That's correct, Unk.....there is no trychinosis in any of the government inspected hogs produced in the U.S.A. today.  Cooking pork roasts or chops to a slightly 'pink' degree of doneness is perfectly safe these days......juicier and better tasting, too. :drool:
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2017, 09:59:05 PM »
Have you seen any studies that point to widespread T infection in feral hogs? Or maybe it is just an obvious thing- idk. I have seen evidence of feral pigs at some of the WMAs I've been to, but nothing extreme. I've even seen a few cattle on the loose though unlikely part of a breeding population. If I was afield and presented a shot; I would take it. Such an opportunity has not presented itself, while native, wild species are seen regularly.

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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2017, 10:08:37 PM »
Speaking of wild hogs...if you're going to go hog hunting, it pays to be smarter than the hog, as witnessed in this video I posted in another thread:

http://bladesandbushlore.com/index.php?topic=14247.0
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« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2017, 10:03:36 AM »
I remember some photos of my dad and grandad with a crop of hogs that they had raised for lard production during WWII......they were HUGE! :shocked:    The lard was used to make glycerin which was needed to produce the tons of TNT needed for the war effort.  They looked more like hippos than they did pigs, but that was what they were asked to produce and they complied.  All hogs can get gigantic, whether they are wild or domestic.

http://www.agriseek.com/article/p1/the-biggest-pig-ever.htm
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« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2017, 04:14:32 AM »
That's correct, Unk.....there is no trychinosis in any of the government inspected hogs produced in the U.S.A. today.  Cooking pork roasts or chops to a slightly 'pink' degree of doneness is perfectly safe these days......juicier and better tasting, too. :drool:

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« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2017, 06:23:15 AM »
That's correct, Unk.....there is no trychinosis in any of the government inspected hogs produced in the U.S.A. today.  Cooking pork roasts or chops to a slightly 'pink' degree of doneness is perfectly safe these days......juicier and better tasting, too. :drool:

Don't care what they say, I will only eat it well done.
Your call of course, but if safety is your sole concern, here is the scoop from the big pigs in the room.....The National Pork Producers Council & the FDA. ;D
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« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2017, 06:00:38 PM »
That's correct, Unk.....there is no trychinosis in any of the government inspected hogs produced in the U.S.A. today.  Cooking pork roasts or chops to a slightly 'pink' degree of doneness is perfectly safe these days......juicier and better tasting, too. :drool:

Don't care what they say, I will only eat it well done.
Your call of course, but if safety is your sole concern, here is the scoop from the big pigs in the room.....The National Pork Producers Council & the FDA. ;D

I know, I know. My sister makes these incredible Sunday dinners, she works on them all day, and she loves making medium rare pork roast. Everyone loves it, except me and my dad. I personally like beef medium well, but enjoy medium rare prime rib however that is it. Burger meat and pork have to be well done for me.
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« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2017, 06:09:43 PM »
When we first moved to Montana, we were accepted into one of biggest local clans.  The first summer we joined them at a large 'family' camp out close to town.
By way of thanks, the wife and I cooked up a beautiful standing rib roast, and carried it out to the camp site. Our way of saying 'thanks'.
It was carved up, and served with ample garlic toast to sop up the juices. Everyone dug in and expressed their appreciation. All except my new 'best friend'. He took his perfectly done (for a rib roast) piece of meat, slapped it in a skillet and cooked it over the campfire until it was the color and texture of a boot sole!
 
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« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2017, 07:25:50 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2017, 07:29:12 PM »
That's correct, Unk.....there is no trychinosis in any of the government inspected hogs produced in the U.S.A. today.  Cooking pork roasts or chops to a slightly 'pink' degree of doneness is perfectly safe these days......juicier and better tasting, too. :drool:

Don't care what they say, I will only eat it well done.
Your call of course, but if safety is your sole concern, here is the scoop from the big pigs in the room.....The National Pork Producers Council & the FDA. ;D

I know, I know. My sister makes these incredible Sunday dinners, she works on them all day, and she loves making medium rare pork roast. Everyone loves it, except me and my dad. I personally like beef medium well, but enjoy medium rare prime rib however that is it. Burger meat and pork have to be well done for me.
I understand......I'm the same way with poultry.   Red chicken or turkey 'bout makes me  :puke:!
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« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2017, 07:39:53 PM »
I have watched my boss grill up and eat chicken bloody red in the middle. It must a Australian back country thing. I could go on and on about the guy, one tough old bastard. If his family would let him get away with it he would live at his place in the nm high desert middle of nowhere,  eating beans and drinking Coors beer.
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« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2017, 09:11:05 PM »
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« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2017, 11:45:48 PM »
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« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2018, 09:43:17 AM »
This article came through AgWeb, an ag based news source I subscribe to.


Pigs Don't Fly: Feral Hog Spread Is A Man-Made Mess.....

https://www.agweb.com/article/pigs-dont-fly-feral-hog-spread-is-a-man-made-mess-naa-chris-bennett/
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« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2018, 10:40:44 AM »
Interesting article.  I had read about the illegal transporting but this article fleshes it out a little bit.  The comment at end by the individual who says pigs escape and a lot of the DNA similarities are due to legal sale and raising is somewhat suspect.  I don't anybody around here who has lost any pigs that have become feral and started over populating the area.  I don't think we have any in this area yet. 

 
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« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2018, 03:42:55 PM »
The poacher in the story is one of the oddest things I've heard in awhile. The others involved in seeding, while detestable, is easier to understand. Overall, makes for a strange tale indeed.
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« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2018, 12:26:21 PM »
I can't imagine trapping, then transporting them. Craziness!!!


Here is what ol' Horace wrote about them in Our Southern Highlanders....  :lol:

"In physique and mentality, the razorback differs even more from a
domestic hog than a wild goose does from a tame one. Shaped in front
like a thin wedge, he can go through laurel thickets like a bear.
Armored with tough hide cushioned by bristles, he despises thorns,
brambles, and rattlesnakes, alike. His extravagantly long snout can
scent like a cat's, and yet burrow, uproot, overturn, as if made of
metal. The long legs, thin flanks, pliant hoofs, fit him to run like a
deer and climb like a goat. In courage and sagacity he outranks all
other beasts. A warrior born, he is also a strategist of the first
order. Like man, he lives a communal life, and unites with others of his
kind for purposes of defense.

The pig is the only large mammal I know of, besides man, whose eyes
will not shine by reflected light--they are too bold and crafty, I wit.
The razorback has a mind of his own; not instinct, but _mind_--whatever
psychologists may say. He thinks. Anybody can see that when he is not
rooting or sleeping he is studying devilment. He shows remarkable
understanding of human speech, especially profane speech, and even an
uncanny gift of reading men's thoughts, whenever those thoughts are
directed against the peace and dignity of pigship. He bears grudges,
broods over indignities, and plans redresses for the morrow or the week
after. If he cannot get even with you, he will lay for your unsuspecting
friend. And at the last, when arrested in his crimes and lodged in the
pen, he is liable to attacks of mania from sheer helpless rage.

If you camp out in the mountains, nothing will molest you but razorback
hogs. Bears will flee and wildcats sneak to their dens, but the moment
incense of cooking arises from your camp every pig within two miles will
scent it and hasten to call. You may throw your arm out of joint: they
will laugh in your face. You may curse in five languages: it is music to
their titillating ears.

Throughout summer and autumn I cooked out of doors, on the woodsman's
range of forked stakes and a lug-pole spanning parallel beds of rock.
When the pigs came, I fed them red-pepper pie. Then all said good-bye to
my hospitality save one slab-sided, tusky old boar--and he planned a
campaign. At the first smell of smoke he would start for my premises.
Hiding securely in a nearby thicket, he would spy on the operations
until my stew got to simmering gently and I would retire to the cabin
and get my fists in the dough. Then, charging at speed, he would knock
down a stake, trip the lug-pole, and send my dinner flying. Every day he
would do this. It got so that I had to sit there facing the fire all
through my cooking, or that beast of a hog would ruin me. With this I
thought he was outgeneraled. Idle dream! He would slip off to my
favorite neighbor's, break through the garden fence, and raise Ned
instanter--all because he hated _me_, for that peppery fraud, and knew
that Bob and I were cronies.

I dubbed this pig Belial; a name that Bob promptly adapted to his own
notion by calling it Be-liar. "That Be-liar," swore he, "would cross
hell on a rotten rail to git into my 'tater patch!"

Finally I could stand it no longer, and took down my rifle. It was a
nail-driver, and I, through constant practice in beheading squirrels,
was in good form. However, in the mountains it is more heinous to kill
another man's pig than to shoot the owner. So I took craft for my guide,
and guile for my heart's counsel. I stalked Belial as stealthily as ever
hunter crept on an antelope against the wind. At last I had him dead
right: broadside to me and motionless as if in a daydream. I knew that
if I drilled his ear, or shot his tail clean off, it would only make him
meaner than ever. He sported an uncommonly fine tail, and was proud to
flaunt it. I drew down on that member, purposely a trifle scant, fired,
and--away scuttled that boar, with a broken tail that would dangle and
cling to him disgracefully through life.

Exit Belial! It was equivalent to a broken heart. He emigrated, or
committed suicide, I know not which, but the Smoky Mountains knew him no
more."



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« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2018, 01:41:10 PM »
Most excellent. Probably my favorite HK book.
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« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2018, 01:48:54 PM »
Thanks, Sarge.....that was great! :cheers:   I don't have that book.......yet. ;D
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« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2018, 02:11:48 PM »
Classic Kephart, for sure.

...against the peace and dignity of pigship.... now that's funny right there!
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« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2018, 03:11:38 PM »
Thanks Sarge,

That is a great story of the razorbacks.  Old Horace did have them elevated on a pedestal.   

They are an animal that I have zero experience with so I am a bit skeptical that they are that smart but, heck, maybe they are.   :shrug:
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« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2018, 03:32:51 PM »
Ned? Instanter? Thanks google. I wonder how long he trained that boar hog
....throughout summer and autum... well he doesn't say exactly how long he put up with the raids... I wonder

WWWD? How many kettles upset, and would you go for the tail shot"......anyone really may answer.
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« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2018, 05:00:53 PM »
I would have gone for a Texas heart shot in a New York minute. 
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« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2018, 05:11:48 PM »
 ??? chingawa mang
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« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2018, 06:48:02 PM »
Maybe he was tellin' tales ... about tails (sorry, I had to do that)

But I wouldn't put up with too many dinners sent flying before that beast was dinner.
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« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2018, 08:00:27 PM »
that was a good story thanks sarge.
once when i was rasing pigs they conspired to eat me
but i caught on to the plot when one mosyied up to me turned his head sideways
and tried to bite me just below the knee, so the one behind me right up against my backlegs
i stepped backkicked the one tring to bite me, hollerd the other one ran, and i got the hell out of the pen
while i could, moral here i guess is don't trust pigs, true story.
and to think how good i was to them fresh whey by the pail,mellons,veggies,apples
damm ingrates.