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Boy Scout Leader's Coffee Corner.
« Reply #200 on: May 21, 2016, 08:10:46 AM »
120+ Cub Scouts camping in the defensive ditch at the Halifax Citadel National Historic Site.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citadel_Hill_(Fort_George)

They'll have the run of the whole fortress for the long weekend. Coincidentally, the Halifax Bluenose Race Weekend is happening today and tomorrow. Lots of the Cubs are running the Kids 4K race starting in a few minutes. The start and finish lines are at the bottom of the Citadel, so the Cubs will finish the race then walk up to the Fort.



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« Reply #201 on: May 22, 2016, 11:00:05 PM »
Well, it started out well yesterday and the kids had a ball today, until about supper time when the rain and wind picked up. Down in the dry moat, the wind funnelled. My group called it at 830 or so and all kids gone just after ten. I stayed because we still had lots of gear here and I had signed up for a security shift at 4am. Anyway, I couldn't sleep and got up at 1130ish. Good thing. A garage tent my group tent was responsible for blew out even though we reinforced it before the others left. I was sitting in security with two others and we heard it go. Landed on a guys tent. We were lucky no one was hurt let alone killed. Damn thing was 10x20 with aluminum poles and 12" steel stakes flying everywhere. Only knife I had handy, was my SAK. Thankfully it's sharp cause I was cutting and slashing to get the tarp off. We then did rounds and re-stakes a bunch of tents while the kids slept.
Damn, I tired and amped up at the same time.


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« Reply #202 on: June 16, 2016, 01:30:24 AM »
  This appears to be quite a useful site with many links to check out, plus it has some pretty good downloads. Thought I would share it here in this topic, rather than elsewhere. It is likely worthy of a stand alone by itself topic, but this is a start. Perhaps later it will be made into a stand alone, if there is interest to put it out elsewhere. I will see what you folks think if you check it out & find it worthy. Snoop around it a bit & see what you can find.
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Re: Boy Scout Leader's Coffee Corner.
« Reply #203 on: June 20, 2016, 07:50:43 PM »
Our Cubmaster got deployed to DC so I've just replaced him. My son's den leader (I'm the assistant den leader) volunteered me and I couldn't say no. I'm incredibly overwhelmed and terrified. Luckily we have some good leadership in our pack to help me on the path.
Incidently, when my oldest son becomes a BS his brother will be CS age. I'm probably going to be in it for like 7 years.
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« Reply #204 on: June 20, 2016, 07:58:31 PM »
Won't hurt you a bit! O:-)
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« Reply #205 on: June 22, 2016, 06:41:17 PM »
Saintnick, I stepped up three years ago because of a leadership issue in my son's pack. Another old Scouter took leader and I became assistant and we conned (I mean, recruited) another Dad last year. We got another guy this year and we've become a pretty tight team. All of our boys are going to Scouts in Sept and we're staying with the Pack. I've even stepped into the role of Venturer (14-17yo) Advisor.
I was terrified when I started. I was grateful to and humbled by the Cubs by the end of my first year.
You'll have a learning curve but they'll give you a chance if you give yourself one. Follow their lead at first and then figure out how you can help them grow. Be patient with them and with yourself.
This thread is a good resource. Good luck and let us know how it goes.


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« Reply #206 on: May 26, 2017, 03:42:09 PM »
I just returned from NCS at Bartle scout reservation in Missouri.
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« Reply #207 on: June 18, 2017, 07:06:57 PM »
are the new boyscouts hndbooks as indepth as the old ones?
I have one from the 1930's and it has more survival info
than the us,army survival manual.

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« Reply #208 on: June 18, 2017, 08:56:01 PM »
are the new boyscouts hndbooks as indepth as the old ones?

NO! :pissed:
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« Reply #210 on: October 11, 2017, 08:50:11 PM »
Are we going to have official B.S.A. condoms, now? :shrug:
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« Reply #211 on: October 12, 2017, 04:31:01 AM »
And B.S.A. feminine protection.  Merit badge for the bushcraft version.
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« Reply #212 on: October 12, 2017, 10:33:39 AM »
I don't like this and many other recent decisions made by the BSA. It is time to clean house and maybe save an American institution.
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« Reply #213 on: November 23, 2017, 09:47:21 AM »
In '75 I had the opportunity to go to world jamboree in Llillehammer Norway. I discovered that the US is one of a very few countries without co-ed scouting.

The problems everyone keeps foreseeing don't happen elsewhere, so why are we so sure they will happen here? Are we so lacking in self control or common sense?

Neither the patrols nor tent arrangements are co-ed, only the troop/pack is.

We've had co-ed explorer and venturer  units for years. Without problems between the scouts.

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« Reply #214 on: November 23, 2017, 10:21:39 AM »
I did not know that, justbill.  Good to know it has worked elsewhere and MAYBE can here, too. :shrug:
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« Reply #215 on: November 23, 2017, 12:24:37 PM »
I don't care what happens in other countries, my concern is what happens here. The girl scouts are not happy with this decision. I understand the girls enjoy the same outdoor activities as boys and many girl scout troops are not outdoor oriented but it seems easier to me to change the focus of individual girl scout troops than to turn the boy scouts upside down. I believe single sex activities for both boys and girls are important for proper development. Not everything needs to be co-ed.
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« Reply #216 on: November 23, 2017, 01:41:43 PM »
I feel the same way, but judging from what I hear about falling numbers and overall participation I think the organization, as a whole, is grabbing for straws these days. :'(
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« Reply #217 on: November 24, 2017, 06:05:00 AM »
When I was a cub scout I wanted activities without girls, they were always around in school and church. Until I was 14 I relished having opportunities girls didn't have. Then I wondered why they were treated so much like they were fragile. They're not any more fragile than boys unless we let or make them be.

No, girls don't typically have the same physique (thankfully) but girls scouts and boy scouts have totally different programs at the national level. Some girls won't want to be in the program boy scouts has. Some boys don't want to. 

If both programs were available as co-ed,  segregated only to the extent necessary,  and operating under a unified national system, the benefits for everyone would far outweigh any drawbacks. If a troop/pack  wants to be co-ed, fine. If a troop/pack wants to be totally one sex, fine. Just offer the same opportunities to everyone.

I think we would all benefit from allowing our youth the chance to be the people they are meant to be, not force them to be what society has always said they 'should ' be.

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« Reply #218 on: November 24, 2017, 07:46:22 AM »
I feel the same way, but judging from what I hear about falling numbers and overall participation I think the organization, as a whole, is grabbing for straws these days. :'(

  For what it's worth I agree with you and Orbean,  but just to make it clear that I'm not a sexist,  not long after I became a ranking officer on the police force my Chief decided to open our ranks to women officers, most of the patrol officers objected, I on the other hand welcomed the change, there are many places for women in law enforcement especially when it comes to handling cases of domestic complaints, child abuse, and rape cases, and I'm all for equality in the work place.
  That said, I'm more than a bit traditional when it comes to mixing the roles of men and women in our society,  in my opinion there is a definite role for each in the greater scheme of things and screwing with the natural order of life has never worked out the way the more progressive thinkers of this world plan that it would.
  I was in the Boy Scouts, my boys were in Cub Scouts and then Boy Scouts, and I served as a Scout leader for the time that they were active in the organization,  it's Called the Boy Scouts of America for a reason,  the Girl Scouts likewise,  I can see some good out of getting the two organizations together at some Scouting events such as local Scout camps and Jamborees, but I see no benefit for the kids, the troops, or the organization for mingling genders.
  I don't visit this thread very often, the BSA was a great experience in my life,  so when the organization began caving to the whims of certain segments of our society on issues of Political Correctness when it comes to Scouting activities, and on some of the gear that they were restricting it turned me off the organization,  I still believe in Scouting and the plan that the founders of that great organization had envisioned,  but when they started to turn the focus away from building character, respect for right and wrong, through wilderness skills and self reliance, and yes even faith in a higher being, they lost my respect as an organization and joined the ranks of that segment of our society who are hell bent on destroying our traditions and culture, and turning our kids and our country into a one size fits all unisex utopia.
  A lot of negative messaging has been given to certain traditional groups that oppose some forms of change in this country,  one that stands out in my mind is the NRA,  IMHO if the BSA would have adopted the same kind of mindset and policy of carrying on the original intent of it's founders and stood up to those of the PC crowd that would see it changed into something it was never intended to be it would have a lot more support than it does now.

  That my view, and I'm sticking to it.
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« Reply #219 on: November 25, 2017, 09:14:40 AM »
It's interesting to read the last few posts regarding integration girls into BSA.
I feel like I've fallen through a timewarp of 20 years and that I'm a young Scout Leader again.
Scouts Canada had to change it's policy back in the late '80s or early '90s. I can't remember exactly, but there was a court case or some sort of legal challenge because of the organization's status as a non-profit organization prevented it from discriminating based on sex. The Girl Guides of Canada are organised under a different legal structure (Association perhaps?) and therefore do not have to have equal access.
Anyway, in 1999 our Provincial Council was in the process of getting in step with the national policy and was telling troops that it was a troop-by-troop decision. The Troop Leader (Peter) when I was an Assistant, had been an Assistant back when I was a Scout. He gathered me and the other three Assistants to ask our opinion. They all believed it was for boys etc, etc. Peter agreed with them and then asked me. My answer was simple: Scouting's original intent and primary purpose is to develop good citizens through outdoor education and leadership. How can we train young people to be good citizens without offering them the opportunity to learn and grow with all their peer set? As well, Baden-Powell originally wanted Scouting to be co-ed, but he bowed into his sister's Victorian insistence that they be separate.

 I had to leave the group shortly after that because of the Navy, so I don't know whether my argument made much of a difference, but I know that it was one of the first co-ed Troops in that area and that Peter's own daughter ditched Guides in order to join Scouts.
Twenty-plus years on, and it's almost impossible to convince the youth in Scouting today that it wasn't always co-ed. Most kids ask why? or say, that was dumb. I'd say more than half the leaders I work with now came up in the mixed gender organization.
Does having boys and girls in a Troop cause issues? Yeah. But they aren't big and they aren't hard to deal with. The biggest issue is ensuring that there is the right leadership ratio. Need male and female leaders to go camping with boys and girls. Need at least one of each sex. In fact, I'm not even sure if that's a national requirement, but most Troops follow it.
I attended the Canadian National Jamboree in July of this year. Of the 5,000 youth attending it was almost evenly split boys/girls.
Of the 30 or so Scouts who attended from Taiwan, about 20 were girls. I admit I was a bit surprised by that, but turns out I was just ignorant or their organization.
The Troop I was working with was paired with an American Girl Scout Troop from Maine. They were awesome. The Leader knew her stuff and was well organized and the young ladies were very keen and knowledgeable. The leader envied our system because if they were co-ed, then she'd have access to male leaders. She said over the last thirty years, she would often have shortages of leaders with sound outdoor skills. She'd often get a Mom joining with a daughter and at about the point the Mom learned enough to be useful, the daughter would age out and the Mom would drop too.

My own Venturer Company (15-18 year olds) is now exactly 50/50: four boys, four girls. I don't have a female co-advisor but Venturers pick their advisors so that's up to them.
With teens I am a bit vigilant about them being couples and dating. I stress how they should behave rather than telling them what they're forbidden from doing. They get enough of that from parents and school. Besides, quickest way to get a teen to do something is tell them they can't. 

Whew, long windy post. I really hope I wasn't coming across as preaching. I just wanted to share my experiences and observations from having gone through it already. 
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« Reply #220 on: November 25, 2017, 11:37:00 AM »
 No offense Yeoman,  you haven't fallen into a time warp,  you just heard the opinions of a few people who have perhaps been around this rock longer than you have and still believe that there are different roles in this life for men and for women, that's not to say that women should be held back from doing anything that they want to in their lives,  some of us remember when men supported their families by working outside the home and providing the materialistic needs,  women worked inside the home insuring the structure and well being of her family while seeing to the character and education of her children,  actually it all worked very well for a lot of eras past,
 Today the world has changed, some of the changes have been good, technology has brought new and wonderful advances in medicine, engineering, transportation, it's afforded more time for education and recreation, all great stuff, but we've also experienced changes that haven't been all that good,  we see a universal loss of respect from and towards people, we see ever more broken families, children who no longer enjoy childhood, who can't cope with the pressures of life and responsibility,  there's much more rage and violence in our world today, too much division, too little belief in faith based truths.
 Many of us "old timers" believe that some of these negative changes have been caused over the years by mothers moving out of the home and into the work place, mothers who believe that they are in competition with men and demand to be treated like men instead of being honored as women, mothers and care givers, "back in our day" there was an order to life,  everyone, men, women, and children had a role in that order,  today we as parents just quit bringing up our kids, we gave up our responsibility and gave it over to strangers,  teachers in the schools, life learned on the TV screen and in the streets, but not where life should be learned, in the home,  around the kitchen table, on family picnics, and in church on Sunday mornings and in Sunday school.
 Someone who hasn't experienced that time in our history and only knows what they remember growing up with all the modern appliances, modern automobiles, computers and cell phones have no conception of what I'm talking about or why I and others like me feel saddened by those social and cultural changes that are happening around us that contribute to most of the unhappiness, discord, division, and anger in out society today,  the mixing and blurring the gender roles today is a big part of what we see as a problem, one that will only grow and get worse as people fail to see the unintended consequences of a unisex materialistic world.   
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« Reply #221 on: November 25, 2017, 12:36:16 PM »
Yeoman's reference to Robert Baden-Powell and his association with the scouting movement piqued my curiosity about his beliefs on how the organization should be structured.  I learned some things I didn't know.....for one thing, I have been pronouncing his name incorrectly all my life. :P

Some of you may find this Wiki article to be as insightful as I did......

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Baden-Powell,_1st_Baron_Baden-Powell
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« Reply #222 on: November 26, 2017, 08:18:09 AM »
Yeoman's reference to Robert Baden-Powell and his association with the scouting movement piqued my curiosity about his beliefs on how the organization should be structured.  I learned some things I didn't know.....for one thing, I have been pronouncing his name incorrectly all my life. :P

Some of you may find this Wiki article to be as insightful as I did......

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Baden-Powell,_1st_Baron_Baden-Powell

  Good stuff Bud,  I read the whole thing and didn't see any suggestion the Powell believed in Co-ed Scouting,  he did (to his credit at the time) encourage young women to enter scouting by initiating the Girl Scouts, but he didn't seem bent on making the Boy Scouts a unisex organization.
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« Reply #223 on: December 14, 2017, 04:43:33 PM »
Triple header last night - THREE Eagle boards of review!
Three new - minted Eagle scouts  :fire1:
Gonna be a looong court of honor in January!

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« Reply #224 on: December 14, 2017, 05:09:57 PM »
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« Reply #225 on: December 15, 2017, 09:46:47 AM »
Triple header last night - THREE Eagle boards of review!
Three new - minted Eagle scouts  :fire1:
Gonna be a looong court of honor in January!
Well done. Congrats to the youth and to all the Leaders who helped them.
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« Reply #226 on: December 15, 2017, 01:38:27 PM »
That is terrific.  Puts a smile on my face too.
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« Reply #227 on: December 16, 2017, 06:32:44 AM »
We had a ceremony for 2 Eagles last week. One gave my son a mentor pin & the other  gave one to me .
Next week I will be on the board of review for another of our scouts.
Amazing how much they grow up.
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« Reply #228 on: December 16, 2017, 01:22:13 PM »
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« Reply #229 on: December 17, 2017, 04:15:11 PM »
We had a ceremony for 2 Eagles last week. One gave my son a mentor pin & the other  gave one to me .
Next week I will be on the board of review for another of our scouts.
Amazing how much they grow up.
Great news. Well done to you too.
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« Reply #230 on: December 17, 2017, 04:40:55 PM »
Hey all,
I finished work on Fri night at 6pm and headed out to a Scout preserve for 7pm where I met 5 of our 8 Ventures and another Advisor for their Christmas Camp.
Temperatures ranged from -5 to -10 C (23-14F) over the whole weekend. Winds were N-NW 20-40km/h (14-25mph) with flurries throughout Sat. Cold but no snow so it seemed colder.
Some of us hammocked the first night but even with underquilts and low slung tarps it was uncomfortable. I ended up setting my tent up for last night and did so well, I woke up too warm at about 3am.

The spot we were in has been dreadfully abused the past few years. When we arrived there were numerous live trees cut down for no apparent reason. Rather than scour good dead wood from less disturbed areas nearby, we cleaned up a lot of the mess and I demonstrated to them how to use a wall backed long fire to make the most of sub-par green wood. They paid close attention and are all pretty skillful now at adjusting the gaps and feeding a long fire.

They did bannock on sticks after lunch. It's not my favourite way to do bannock, but they wanted to do it that way. Everyone had pretty good success: even me! We did a lot of work on stove and lanterns and how to use, maintain and maximize their efficiency in the cold. I got shown a lot of new tricks I'd never known before.

We hooked up with another group last night and had a potluck supper. Meatballs, pulled pork, Chinese beef and broccoli, three rice dishes, mashed potatoes, stuffing, quinoa salad, chips, dips, croissants and more. I was very impressed at the cooking skills of all.

We went back to our site and re-stoked the fire, had hot chocolate, roasted cheddar smokies on the fire and did a gift exchange (Swappy Santa, Yankee Santa/Gift Swap, Sneaky Gift Swap, call it what you will). They had a five dollar limit and interestingly enough, I think six of the seven of us gave hiking/camping themed gifts. I wasn't expecting that. haha.
Anyway, we all slept in this morning and had only about 90 minutes to pack up, clean up, ensure the fire was out etc, before their drive showed up.

Anyway, I headed home, unpacked then met my son and his god-mother and we headed out to a U-Cut Christmas tree woodlot and got our tree. It amazed me that in the last few years he's got from picking the tree, to dragging the tree out, to "helping" me cut the tree to cutting it himself and now the year, picking, cutting the tree efficiently and hauling it out himself. His confidence with axe and saw is coming along well.
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« Reply #231 on: January 06, 2018, 01:32:38 PM »
Eagle court of honor tonight. SEVEN being formally awarded for 2017. I won't get to go, having managed to get the flu, but tremendously proud of each of these young men.

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« Reply #232 on: January 08, 2018, 11:01:32 AM »
Good job Bill.
What a great day to be outside.

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« Reply #234 on: December 13, 2018, 12:47:53 PM »
  Some things should be changed, other things should not be tampered with,  but one thing is for sure,  change always comes at price, sometimes that price is more than ones ability to pay.


  IMHO, the Boy Scouts worked great from it's inception to up until someone who had no business tampering with it decided to do so anyway.
  Again IMHO,  one of our natural fundamental rights is the right of association,  the Boy Scout movement was founded on certain principals, values, and personal responsibility, some of which were based on moral and religious foundation.
  Apparently there are folks that don't believe in those principals, values, and moral morays, nor believe that people have a right to associate with like minded people,  nature has never been all inclusive and probably never will,  humans are no different.
  Everyone should be free to believe what ever they want, but they don't have a right to force social change where it doesn't need to be changed,  liberalism exists to force change, even where it's not needed or called for,  it's been my life long belief that there's only one thing worse than a liberal, and that's a liberal with a cause to fight. 
 
 
   
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Re: Boy Scout Leader's Coffee Corner.
« Reply #235 on: December 13, 2018, 01:34:34 PM »
In 2017 they sure made major changes to try to shore up their shrinking membership numbers.  While outside influences will partly determine some of their problems the sexual abuse costs won't do much for them continuing to be a viable organization.  While they don't provided data on the cost of lawsuits and counseling for the victims the fact that exists not many parents are going to let their sons (and now daughters) be a part of an organization that has a history of sexual abuse of young people.
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Re: Boy Scout Leader's Coffee Corner.
« Reply #236 on: December 13, 2018, 02:40:17 PM »
 Honestly Stan I had no idea that this issue was so wide spread or how long it had been going on,  evidently it's been a well kept secret, at least with the general public,  it's about the same as those associated with the Catholic church a couple of decades ago, actually many denominations were involved, but it's the Catholic church that got singled out for press.
 Actually the church (es) could have taken immediate action when the problem became a recognized issue way back when, but instead opted to protect the church instead of the children in choosing to sweep it under the rug by moving offenders rather than turn them in,  the Vatican and other church leaders deserved all the punishment they eventually received and more.
 The problem with the Scouts is that the children are the only real losers in the long run,  it'll probably be disbanded, I was a Scout, in the  the Explorer Scouts, and later a Scout leader and Council member in our district when my boys were in Scouting,  I never remember getting a complaint of abuse,  I am truly saddened.
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Re: Boy Scout Leader's Coffee Corner.
« Reply #237 on: December 13, 2018, 02:45:54 PM »
I agree with you Moe, the only ones hurt by this are the children who won't have scouting as an option for recreational time.

The BSA goal is to file for Chapter 11 which will let them continue to operate.  I did not realize that their annual income was $260 plus million dollars from donations. 
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Re: Boy Scout Leader's Coffee Corner.
« Reply #238 on: December 13, 2018, 03:00:24 PM »
It isn't Christian to think this way but I do.  Child molesters should be prosecuted and sent to general population in prison.  And the people responsible for cover ups should go too.

Sad for the boy scouts.  All around.
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Re: Boy Scout Leader's Coffee Corner.
« Reply #239 on: December 14, 2018, 07:46:51 AM »
It isn't Christian to think this way but I do.  Child molesters should be prosecuted and sent to general population in prison.  And the people responsible for cover ups should go too.

Sad for the boy scouts.  All around.

  Tough call Tony,  but I'd say your attitude toward child abusers is pretty Christian,  I know for sure there are many people in this country that would see them treated much worse if given the opportunity to choose their punishment.

  The biggest problem for society I think is being able to tell the difference between the sick and the evil, and to be compassionate for those abusers who are mentally compromised and need professional help, and those who are just evil and should be removed from society, permanently.
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Re: Boy Scout Leader's Coffee Corner.
« Reply #240 on: December 14, 2018, 07:59:05 AM »
I agree with you Moe, the only ones hurt by this are the children who won't have scouting as an option for recreational time.

The BSA goal is to file for Chapter 11 which will let them continue to operate.  I did not realize that their annual income was $260 plus million dollars from donations.

 Frankly, at this point I don't hold much hope for their survival,  from the figures I've seen the BSA membership not counting senior leaders and district staff was a little over five million in 2013,  that figure is now down to half what it was five years ago, and much of that loss was before the 2017 changes, add those changes and the molestation charges only coming out recently I can see a lot more parents pulling their kids out of the movement and fewer donations being offered by supporters.
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Re: Boy Scout Leader's Coffee Corner.
« Reply #241 on: December 14, 2018, 11:19:45 AM »
I don't see the B.S.A. dissolving completely.  They may go into a chapter 11 situation, but those of us that still see a glimmer of hope for the organization will continue to support them financially.  As an example, you don't see the Catholic Church disolving just because of their history with a few twisted priests do you?  :shrug:

This seems like a 'pile-on' situation that's become the norm in today's society where a business, organization or person is unduly denigrated to the point of inevitable surrender.  Social media and TV 'news' typically overstate a wrong and wait for the results.  Once the blood is in the water, the sharks gleefully circle for the final kill.  Reminds me of a forum where I used to be a member.  :coffee:
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Re: Boy Scout Leader's Coffee Corner.
« Reply #242 on: December 14, 2018, 11:52:42 AM »
Catholics will continue to be Catholics regardless of the actions of the priesthood.  I do not believe that ethic will transfer to the Boy Scouts.  Parents of many different religions were involved in the BSA and they will leave it in droves over the abuse, the allowing of homosexuals, and bringing in transgenders.  As children age and move out of the BSA their will be fewer and fewer incoming children.  Partly because of the scandals but also because of the changing times where camping and the activities of the BSA are not the focus of many parents. :(
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Re: Boy Scout Leader's Coffee Corner.
« Reply #243 on: December 14, 2018, 04:32:22 PM »
Could be, maybe not.....I guess we'll just have to wait and see what unfolds. :popcorn:
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Re: Boy Scout Leader's Coffee Corner.
« Reply #244 on: December 14, 2018, 04:44:27 PM »
Girlyboy Scouts of America....hmmm ???...thats just weird :P...whole country's goin too pot :shrug:
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Re: Boy Scout Leader's Coffee Corner.
« Reply #245 on: December 14, 2018, 08:40:24 PM »
I don't see the B.S.A. dissolving completely.  They may go into a chapter 11 situation, but those of us that still see a glimmer of hope for the organization will continue to support them financially.  As an example, you don't see the Catholic Church disolving just because of their history with a few twisted priests do you?  :shrug:

This seems like a 'pile-on' situation that's become the norm in today's society where a business, organization or person is unduly denigrated to the point of inevitable surrender.  Social media and TV 'news' typically overstate a wrong and wait for the results.  Once the blood is in the water, the sharks gleefully circle for the final kill.  Reminds me of a forum where I used to be a member.  :coffee:

 Totally different thing Bud,  the Catholic church is big compared to the BSA,  and the Vatican has more gold stored in the basement than Fort Knox has seen in a hundred years.
 I know how you feel about Scouting,  I've been there done that and I'm deeply saddened by the mess it's in,  but the organization brought it on itself when it tossed off it's roots in favor of political correctness and embraced homosexuality and transgender lifestyles.
 While I believe that what ever lifestyle people choose to live is their business,  those deviate lifestyles are about as far away from the founding principles and moral values that the BSA was founded on,  and like Stan said most parents are not going to trust the organization to instill those founding values in their kids or to keep their kids safe from predators within the organization.     
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Re: Boy Scout Leader's Coffee Corner.
« Reply #246 on: December 15, 2018, 09:18:50 AM »
I think that's a bit of an oversimplification. :coffee:        The BSA did not "embrace homosexuality and transgender lifestyles".......they were FORCED to by law.   I don't like what's happened, either, but it's the law and it's either follow the law or cease operation entirely.  As time passes, there are always changes that can be made to the present situation to make the organization more beneficial and acceptable to all factions.  It is worth saving and its roots are deep.   As it's always been, much of what's taught and the way the Troops are run are left up to local boards and individual Scoutmasters.  My old Silver Beaver Award-winning Scoutmaster rejected edicts passed down by the Area Council and, only very rarely,  attended "mandatory" sessions with them......consequen tly, our Troop took more top honors and had more blue ribbons hanging from its Troop flagstaff  than any Troop in the Council.  We were 'mavericks' back then and I have faith that they can still exist in today's maelstrom of political correctness......ti me will tell. :shrug:
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Re: Boy Scout Leader's Coffee Corner.
« Reply #247 on: December 15, 2018, 10:52:56 AM »
I think that's a bit of an oversimplification. :coffee:        The BSA did not "embrace homosexuality and transgender lifestyles".......they were FORCED to by law.   I don't like what's happened, either, but it's the law and it's either follow the law or cease operation entirely.  As time passes, there are always changes that can be made to the present situation to make the organization more beneficial and acceptable to all factions.  It is worth saving and its roots are deep.   As it's always been, much of what's taught and the way the Troops are run are left up to local boards and individual Scoutmasters.  My old Silver Beaver Award-winning Scoutmaster rejected edicts passed down by the Area Council and, only very rarely,  attended "mandatory" sessions with them......consequen tly, our Troop took more top honors and had more blue ribbons hanging from its Troop flagstaff  than any Troop in the Council.  We were 'mavericks' back then and I have faith that they can still exist in today's maelstrom of political correctness......ti me will tell. :shrug:

 I hope you're right,  and I'll admit that I and probably many more people who are interested in the BSA haven't been privy to everything that's gone on in the background,  it just seems to me with my limited knowledge of it the organization could have fought harder against the changes (if indeed they were forced) rather than cave to the wishes of special interests.
 My bias with National policy changes started a while ago that I'm sure weren't colored by law,  perhaps by liability lawyers but certainly not by government intrusion,  my oldest grandson is 33 yrs. old, when he joined at age 11 I gifted him a vintage Western cutlery set of a belt knife and hatchet in new condition, he loved it but when he showed it to his scout master he was told it was very nice but he couldn't carry it while in his scout uniform or take it to any BSA  functions or camp outs, it was against BSA policy.
 That was the beginning for me,  then other policy changes were slowly worked in that began to erode what scouting was intended to be,  I understand that scouting has several missions,  building confidence, promoting team work, public service, respecting the rights of others, and respecting yourself as well,  but it's also about self reliance and taking risks, and it's about the outdoor adventure as well,  IMHO between the liberalization of the leadership and the lawyers the only mission left is to make certain that Boy Scouts don't stand out from the crowd, but that they become a group of pampered politically correct clones of the liberal establishment. 
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Re: Boy Scout Leader's Coffee Corner.
« Reply #248 on: December 15, 2018, 12:17:24 PM »
Contrary to popular belief, there are no national BSA restrictions on carrying a non-folding sheath knife or a hatchet or tomahawk.  In your son's case, that was the local Scoutmaster that was making up his own rules.  There is a test that the boys must pass that shows proficiency with the knife and axe and they must carry a 'chip' that shows they have passed that requirement.  If they abuse the priveledge by using unsafe practices, the chip is revoked and carry privileges are removed.....kind of like a driver's license.  I see no problem with that policy. :coffee:

EDIT: This just in.... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna948181
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Re: Boy Scout Leader's Coffee Corner.
« Reply #249 on: December 15, 2018, 01:51:53 PM »
Assuming that the information on the pedophile is true, that the BSA kicked him out for abusing and then let him back in, the organization is toast.  The Insurors will likely prevail in their refusal to pay and the BSA can dig in its own pockets to pay for what they allowed to happen. 

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