HELLO......hello......hello.....hello (echos)

[Moe M.]

  Damned, but it's getting lonely around here.     

[boomer]

Censorship will do that

[crashdive123]

So will trolling and people looking to start a fight.

[Moe M.]

 Has to be a mistake, I haven't seen any actual moderation needed here in quite a while much less heavy handed moderation, nor have I read any posts on this forum that needed intervention from a moderator in a long time, even those exchanges between myself and Boomer that is just good natured sparing.   
 
 Speaking for myself, I think Crash is doing a fine job at being our conduct guide.   

[boomer]

Well, I agree with you Moe.

After a post commemorating Jan 6 was summarily censored without explanation it seems Moderation has taken a turn in a different direction.

There are things that happen in our nation that, for better or worse whether past or present, are important for every Citizen. The Jan 6 Insurrection as part of a failed coup attempt certainly meets any standard in that area for a number of reasons.  Some may support it still, some may not and never have but as a historical moment it is of great importance.

None can change the past. Attempting to control the narrative about our history is not about that though. It as about controlling the future, as Orwell noted.

Regardless of opinions about the political outcomes of the last presidential election it was not "stolen" unless a plurality of the popular vote and Electoral College ballots mean "stealing". The events of Jan 6 did happen. Citizens could watch them in real time. i did along with man many others

Our nation is still divided in important ways. The events of Jan 6 changed us. Just as 9/11 did. There are some among our Citizens who think violence or another civil war are a solution. Certainly some among our self identified elites do. As one who has seen war up close and personal I can assure them they have no idea what they're talking about.

Granted some things are hard to consider openly in discussion. There are topics on which  Citizens may not find agreement. That's  the way things  go and why speech is specifically protected. It is to maintain the differences between persuasion and commanding.

On a privately held site owner imposed restrictions apply. In the case here censoring unpopular or difficult topics will merely reduce all ready declining input to recycling prior comments and recipes by former participants who have moved on both figuratively and literally.

[Moe M.]

Well, I agree with you Moe.

After a post commemorating Jan 6 was summarily censored without explanation it seems Moderation has taken a turn in a different direction.

There are things that happen in our nation that, for better or worse whether past or present, are important for every Citizen. The Jan 6 Insurrection as part of a failed coup attempt certainly meets any standard in that area for a number of reasons.  Some may support it still, some may not and never have but as a historical moment it is of great importance.

None can change the past. Attempting to control the narrative about our history is not about that though. It as about controlling the future, as Orwell noted.

Regardless of opinions about the political outcomes of the last presidential election it was not "stolen" unless a plurality of the popular vote and Electoral College ballots mean "stealing". The events of Jan 6 did happen. Citizens could watch them in real time. i did along with man many others

Our nation is still divided in important ways. The events of Jan 6 changed us. Just as 9/11 did. There are some among our Citizens who think violence or another civil war are a solution. Certainly some among our self identified elites do. As one who has seen war up close and personal I can assure them they have no idea what they're talking about.

Granted some things are hard to consider openly in discussion. There are topics on which  Citizens may not find agreement. That's  the way things  go and why speech is specifically protected. It is to maintain the differences between persuasion and commanding.

On a privately held site owner imposed restrictions apply. In the case here censoring unpopular or difficult topics will merely reduce all ready declining input to recycling prior comments and recipes by former participants who have moved on both figuratively and literally.

 Thanks Boomer, You know, I think you are a good person basically, and that you genuinely care about this country, but I also think you are overly naive when it comes to some of our elected officials and the lies that they have been feeding the public and it is reflected quite plainly in your twisted understanding of the cause of the Jan. 6th capital debacle, enough evidence exist that the breeching of the capital on Jan. 6th was not an insurrection at all, nor was it caused by president Trump.
 The claim that it was in fact an orchestrated plan put in place and conducted by agents of government with the help of the capital police who while on video tape threw open the capital doors and invited the crowd to enter, and in fact the aggressors in that situation were not the public but the capital police themselves who over reacted and most likely were not in on the plot is pretty convincing considering the video documentation, the claim that the crowd injured and killed capital police, while the video documentation shows one capital officer died, his death was caused by a heart attack, the only other death that I'm aware is of an unarmed female veteran shot by a federal policeman simply for entering a room, which was uncalled for and covered up. 
 It boggles my mind trying to make sense of just how brainwashed those who support the actions and policies of the rabid radical left in this country (as well as the outside actors that manipulate them), It's like being in a really bad dream that you can't wake up from.

 I truly believe that William F. Buckley had it right when he said that "Liberalism is a mental disorder", especially in these times that we are going through now, it's the only explanation that makes any sense at all.

 I will pray for you Boomer, that you be delivered from the dark side into the light.   

[boomer]

Moe, It is because I care about our nation that I deal in fact rather than partisanship.
The description of the shooting of Ashley Babett, an AF veteran, which I watched multiple times is not close to what you represented it to be. i also watched the Insurrection in real time and subsequent videos. Please do not try to instruct me about what I watched in real time. As a trained observer I am well aware of what I saw and gaslighting attempts will not change historical fact.

Reasonable people may arrive at different conclusions when considering facts. Fact however, are not mutable. Insurrection has a distinct, identifiable, consistent definition.

i know a bit about DC. I have been to the White House on several occasions. Even went bowling there ( entry through WH and then passage to EOB) I have been to the Capitol as well. And the Wall and all the rest.

i am hardly naive about politics even though I am neither elected official, staff nor lobbyist.

There are only two basic rules in politics :
1. Never trust anyone who wants the job
2. The honest politician is one who stays bought.

if you want your information filtered through partisan sources, that's up to you

i am not that naive

[Mannlicher]

Boomer at his most passive/aggressive. 

[boomer]

Boomer at his most passive/aggressive.

The formal definition of Passive Aggressive Behavior Disorder is found in the DSM-V.  Popularized notions frequently misconstrue diagnostic criteria. 

[Moe M.]

Boomer at his most passive/aggressive.

The formal definition of Passive Aggressive Behavior Disorder is found in the DSM-V.  Popularized notions frequently misconstrue diagnostic criteria.

 Oh snap, what's that mean in lay language, never mind, it doesn't matter, we got his drift, and really you do express  aggressive behavior quite allot, in a passive way most of the time.   

[boomer]

In layman terms it means the persons using the term do not know what it means.  If it is considered "aggressive" not to sing the preferred tunes with the few remaining choir members then that term is also being
Misused. .

Pushing back on conspiracist absurdities, spreading of blatant disinformation and bullying is what responsible adults do. The effort to be tactful and engaging in discussion is also what responsible adults do.

In our nation today we have become reliant upon ridiculous levels of partisanship instead of fact. Cognitive bias is the standard in which all arguments are grounded. Unfortunately, the dominant model of a lot of the inteweb is catering to and creating delusional nonsense. A lucrative for some and poisonous for society business model.

In lay terms: There is no evidence the last presidential  election was "stolen". People continue to claim it was. The claims are not based in fact but in an emotional need. Qui bono ( who benefits) ?

in lay terms: The scientific consensus is that human contributions to the atmosphere are adversely affecting climate. Those arguing otherwise are routinely debunked yet the" arguments" are still accepted by many people for reasons that have nothing to fo with the scientific method. Qui bono?

In lay terms: People seek opinions that confirm their already existing opinions. Facts do not matter. What is at issue is an emotional need for a feeling of security, however shaky or downright absurd.

For a while the "over counting Covid" idea was popular  among people who do not understand Morbidity and Mortality (sick and dead) analysis in medicine. Rather than informing themselves on the issue many ran with disinformation, treated it as gospel to reinforce existing incorrect opinions and pushed facts to the curb in the process.

Now, I certainly don't claim to always be right because that's not the case. What I choose is a reliance on fact, reason and principles of the Enlightenment embodied in our Constitution.  When standing up for those principles is considered "aggressive" then either one does not understand aggression or is too wedded to one's shaky emotional state to deal with reality.

[boomer]

Addendum

In recent sworn testimony by the owner and  in documents submitted in evidence Fox News was shown to have knowingly and repeatedly lied about factual aspects of the last presidential election in order not to lose viewers.

Now any reasonable adult will ask why. The answer is that management correctly assessed viewers would likely migrate in increasing numbers to platforms that were more willing to push the obvious lies. The viewers in question did mot want facts, did not want truth. Instead they wanted to told their fantasies were permissible. Reality did not matter. Their emotional needs were all that mattered. In supporting the obvious lies Fox News retained devoted viewers and remained hugely profitable.

Apologists for Fox News will likely attempt all sorts of excuses and Spacial Pleading Fallacies but the fact remains that in exchange for profits viewers were reassured the obvious lies they wanted would be available.

This type of exchange  is almost inevitable in a soviety under duress. On the one hand is the profit motive and on the other is predictable narcissistic defensiveness.

Humans are an interesting species

[Moe M.]

Addendum

In recent sworn testimony by the owner and  in documents submitted in evidence Fox News was shown to have knowingly and repeatedly lied about factual aspects of the last presidential election in order not to lose viewers.

Now any reasonable adult will ask why. The answer is that management correctly assessed viewers would likely migrate in increasing numbers to platforms that were more willing to push the obvious lies. The viewers in question did mot want facts, did not want truth. Instead they wanted to told their fantasies were permissible. Reality did not matter. Their emotional needs were all that mattered. In supporting the obvious lies Fox News retained devoted viewers and remained hugely profitable.

Apologists for Fox News will likely attempt all sorts of excuses and Spacial Pleading Fallacies but the fact remains that in exchange for profits viewers were reassured the obvious lies they wanted would be available.

This type of exchange  is almost inevitable in a soviety under duress. On the one hand is the profit motive and on the other is predictable narcissistic defensiveness.

Humans are an interesting species

  LOL, the question was retorical, but thanks for trying, I hope it didn't tax you too much.