Dave Canterbury

[Moe M.]

  We have two threads going that at least in part discuss Dave Canterbury,  and we have had a few others in the past that discussed the same subject that didn't end well.
  Not wanting to add to the derail of the ones that are still active I started this one,  it's in the form of a question,  lets hope anyone contributing will be civil in their replies.

  My question,  why do you think that the mere mention of Dave Canterbury, the Pathfinder school or store,  or his videos almost always end up in argument,  what is it about this guy that brings out the worst in some people ?

[treez]

While I do not have answer,  that is a good question. It doesn't seem to take to long for those threads to take a downward spiral.  Personally I like his videos. In my opinion, I think he puts out good information for free and he doesn't really push his his products to much. I guess he must be one of those people where you either like him or you don't. 

I find it always funny that everytime he posts a video there is always 1-2 dislikes within mintues. Personally,  I have never disliked a YouTube video. If I find that it is not to my liking I hit the stop button and go to the next one. It my not be my cup of tea, but it maybe someone elses. It's like if I dont like an actor, I just don't watch his movies.

But hey, if someone doesnt like him or anyone else, thats there right and it is cool with me. I try not to get worked up over the little things. With that said I am going to have a beer and then go to bed.

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[zammer]

Is there really nothing else we can discuss, this is the 4th topic about DC.........way overkill in my opinion, time to throw my wretched body off a bridge 

[Old Philosopher]

AAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!
ANOTHER D.C. thread!

[treez]

Hehehe

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[wolfy]

Is there really nothing else we can discuss, this is the 4th topic about DC.........way overkill in my opinion, time to throw my wretched body off a bridge 

Wait up, zammer.......I'll join you!

[WI_Woodsman]

This thread...

[Old Philosopher]

Just like the Hindenburg. Seemed like a good idea at the time....

[brad.clarkston]

Meh - DC is a valid topic, the guy has almost 230 thousand youtube followers verses Les Strouds 23k, Cody's 20k, Ray Mears nearly 13k, Mor's nearly 7k, don't even get started looking at Facebook numbers it's even more insane.  I sub all of them it's better entertainment than most of the 500 channels I have on Uverse.

Those guys together brings allot of non or armchair bush crafters along for the ride and I would think a bunch of this forums nearly 1500 subscribers found there way here from one of those guys video's + google.  A good bet most of them came from DC's two seasons of DS. 

All of which helps this forums very talented sellers sell there custom knives, kit's etc except when forum member constantly run down any of those personalities or constantly boast about some guy with 100 subs is soooo much better.  He might be but it's a turn off until they learn more about said guy.  I'm not a big fan of Cody but I'm not going to bash the guy he not only is highly skilled but he's making a living doing something I just wish I could and I don't want to run new followers of him away from any forum where there is real knowledge.

EDIT: hopefully that explains my reasoning for the things I said on the other threads a bit better.

[WI_Woodsman]

Just like the Hindenburg. Seemed like a good idea at the time....

"Oh, the humanity!"

[Old Philosopher]

....,  what is it about this guy that brings out the worst in some people ?

To address the OP, like I said in another thread, maybe it's his voice.  Or the trouble he's had deciding which haircut suits his image, or how he's going to shave (or not) next week? Or even what his image IS this week?

[WI_Woodsman]

My question,  why do you think that the mere mention of Dave Canterbury, the Pathfinder school or store,  or his videos almost always end up in argument,  what is it about this guy that brings out the worst in some people ?

I'll take a stab at it...

I think Dave has done incredibly well for himself he has gone from obscurity to celebrity in a relatively short time.  Dave's ambition (not skill) got him to where he is today and I think that's what sticks in peoples craw about him (the ends justified the means).  Dave Canterbury's name is now synonymous with bushcraft, survival, woodsman ect...  not because he spent a lifetime in the woods gaining said skills but because his relentless youtube postings on the subject.  Dave is a phenomenon in this respect because he has the ability (or skill) to create his own momentum which is what I contribute to his success.  Does he know a lot about the subject?  Sure, but it's not knowledge that has been gained through decades of practice but rather the accumulation of facts that anyone can find on the internet and the two knowledges are not equivalent.  Most people that have disdain for Dave are those who can see the difference between the two.

Don't get me wrong here I AM A SUBSCRIBER TO HIS CHANNEL!  I will admit I don't watch his videos as much as I did when he first came out.  I think Dave is an interesting guy but as I have said before I don't put much stock in what he says (promotes).  Maybe in 20 years when he's got it down...

[kanukkarhu]

Well, this isn't going to end well for me, I'm sure...

Moe, what I don't understand is why aren't people all over you for suggesting that anything associated with DC ends up in the toilet? Just this evening I posted a similar observation in the hopes that it wouldn't happen again, and I get torn a new one? What's up with that?!? You're living right I guess.

I don't hate the guy. I watch his 'free' vids too, like WI.

But man, why indeed? Why do people get so worked up? I dunno. But like I've already said, drama follows this guy and I am sick of it.

[Old Philosopher]

LOL! This guy gets more free publicity from bantering on various forums and blogs than any other 6 guys!  I am willing to bet that if you Google "Dave Canterbury", you will get 1,000,000+ hits in .46 sec. So what if they link to "I hate Dave" threads?  It's made him a household word.

Speaking of that, and WI's post, there is one true fact about any "product", and Dave has made himself a "product" in no uncertain terms.
Fact:
You can have the best mouse trap in the universe, and never get anywhere with your invention if you don't know how to market it.  Conversely, you can have a totally mediocre mouse trap, and it will sell like hot cakes and be in every home, if it's marketed effectively.
It's all about marketing (presentation and presence in the public eye) not about the quality of your product.

Our economy is flooded with crap that everyone buys, but breaks in two weeks. It's skillful marketing, not quality products that get the lion's share of the market.

To turn a phrase, "self promotion" is "self marketing"......

[wolfy]

Much truth there, Ol'P 

[Moe M.]

....,  what is it about this guy that brings out the worst in some people ?

To address the OP, like I said in another thread, maybe it's his voice.  Or the trouble he's had deciding which haircut suits his image, or how he's going to shave (or not) next week? Or even what his image IS this week?

   That's pretty damned shallow isn't it,  I'm really disappointed,  just a couple of serious answers, the rest ridicule,  this is not about DC,  it's about us and why certain topics set us off,  Dave Canterbury, Bigfoot, Criptids,  and a couple of others,  we can discuss just about anything else and keep it friendly,  mention the others and it spells death for the thread in the form of a padlock because we end up hurling insults at each other.
   I think it's reasonable and valid to ask why,  I just used him as a vehicle because he's the most recent and on going.

   In reply to your post,  maybe I'm different,  I don't find anything wrong with he speech or rhe sound of his voice,  he can say Brother all he wants, I don't care,  long hair doesn't bother me unless it's worn in brades like a wanna be Indian or a 1960's hippy,  if it's your thing, do it, I just may not take you as seriously as you'd like,  shave/don't shave,  who cares if he shaves regularly,  he not going to church,  he's in the woods,  see what I mean.

   I could see if he was pickking his nose and licking his fingers,  but ...........

[Moe M.]

Well, this isn't going to end well for me, I'm sure...

Moe, what I don't understand is why aren't people all over you for suggesting that anything associated with DC ends up in the toilet? Just this evening I posted a similar observation in the hopes that it wouldn't happen again, and I get torn a new one? What's up with that?!? You're living right I guess.

I don't hate the guy. I watch his 'free' vids too, like WI.

But man, why indeed? Why do people get so worked up? I dunno. But like I've already said, drama follows this guy and I am sick of it.

  KK, your words,  "Drama follows that guy",  "and I'm sick of it",   think about that,  He's not creating the drama,  we are when we either bash him or defend him,  why blame him and continue animas,  someone made a good point a few posts back,  " I don't dislike anybody,  if I don't care to watch them I shut them off",  sound reasoning as far as I'm concerned.

[kanukkarhu]

Maybe you named your thread a little off, Moe. A lot of us are DC weary maybe. My post was all too serious. I got reamed and you haven't yet. Rhyme? Reason?

I was also serious about people defending DC. Well, let's broaden that to include all the controversies. It doesn't matter if you are trying to avoid conflict and arguing, it comes after you in these posts.

Why? Still working on it.

My theory is that people are insecure and feel threatened? Like maybe taking a stab at Bigfoot makes us feel like our world will fall apart? But I tell you, when people take a stab at my faith, for example, it doesn't threaten me, rather it makes me stronger. I don't answer like I just came out from under a bridge either.

I think the internet gives people balls they don't have in real life. They are likely powerless and lame in real life and enjoy the 'power' of anonymity.

And again, I was serious Moe. 

[kanukkarhu]

Well, this isn't going to end well for me, I'm sure...

Moe, what I don't understand is why aren't people all over you for suggesting that anything associated with DC ends up in the toilet? Just this evening I posted a similar observation in the hopes that it wouldn't happen again, and I get torn a new one? What's up with that?!? You're living right I guess.

I don't hate the guy. I watch his 'free' vids too, like WI.

But man, why indeed? Why do people get so worked up? I dunno. But like I've already said, drama follows this guy and I am sick of it.

  KK, your words,  "Drama follows that guy",  "and I'm sick of it",   think about that,  He's not creating the drama,  we are when we either bash him or defend him,  why blame him and continue animas,  someone made a good point a few posts back,  " I don't dislike anybody,  if I don't care to watch them I shut them off",  sound reasoning as far as I'm concerned.

But if it the one thing in common to a bunch of "drama" IS _______ (insert topic/name), then logically, ___________ (insert topic/name) MUST be the origin.

Some things just illicit weird responses. Some people are surrounded by controversy and others not. What's the diff between Ray Mears, Mors Kochanski, and Dave Canterbury? And yet, to my knowledge, only one of those people result in threads being locked down and such. I've NEVER seen a RM thread locked down.

How does it NOT have to do with the topic/person? They must somewhere bring this out of people somehow?

[Moe M.]

Maybe you named your thread a little off, Moe. A lot of us are DC weary maybe. My post was all too serious. I got reamed and you haven't yet. Rhyme? Reason?

I was also serious about people defending DC. Well, let's broaden that to include all the controversies. It doesn't matter if you are trying to avoid conflict and arguing, it comes after you in these posts.

Why? Still working on it.

My theory is that people are insecure and feel threatened? Like maybe taking a stab at Bigfoot makes us feel like our world will fall apart? But I tell you, when people take a stab at my faith, for example, it doesn't threaten me, rather it makes me stronger. I don't answer like I just came out from under a bridge either.

I think the internet gives people balls they don't have in real life. They are likely powerless and lame in real life and enjoy the 'power' of anonymity.

And again, I was serious Moe.

  There you go again,  "A lot of us are DC weary",  now why is that,  Dave Canterbury gets very little mention on this forum on a regular basis,  so two threads not counting mine have been active for a couple of days,  the last one before that got shut down because it got derailed but that was weeks ago and damned little before that,  what's to get weary about,  think about it,  we each post hundreds of posts hear, some of us are in the thousands,  and we discuss the same subjects day in and day out, Knives, guns, cast iron, flashlights, recipes, tarps, tents, and cowboy coffee for starters.
  Would you want to venture a guess as to how many time those subjects get revisited every month on these boards,  I can guarantee it's a crap load more than DC,  why does he get us weary ?

  I'm sorry you got reamed over whatever,  you didn't have that coming and there's no reason for it, which brings us full circle back to my OP and Question.   

[kanukkarhu]

Maybe you named your thread a little off, Moe. A lot of us are DC weary maybe. My post was all too serious. I got reamed and you haven't yet. Rhyme? Reason?

I was also serious about people defending DC. Well, let's broaden that to include all the controversies. It doesn't matter if you are trying to avoid conflict and arguing, it comes after you in these posts.

Why? Still working on it.

My theory is that people are insecure and feel threatened? Like maybe taking a stab at Bigfoot makes us feel like our world will fall apart? But I tell you, when people take a stab at my faith, for example, it doesn't threaten me, rather it makes me stronger. I don't answer like I just came out from under a bridge either.

I think the internet gives people balls they don't have in real life. They are likely powerless and lame in real life and enjoy the 'power' of anonymity.

And again, I was serious Moe.

  There you go again,  "A lot of us are DC weary",  now why is that,  Dave Canterbury gets very little mention on this forum on a regular basis,  so two threads not counting mine have been active for a couple of days,  the last one before that got shut down because it got derailed but that was weeks ago and damned little before that,  what's to get weary about,  think about it,  we each post hundreds of posts hear, some of us are in the thousands,  and we discuss the same subjects day in and day out, Knives, guns, cast iron, flashlights, recipes, tarps, tents, and cowboy coffee for starters.
  Would you want to venture a guess as to how many time those subjects get revisited every month on these boards,  I can guarantee it's a crap load more than DC,  why does he get us weary ?

  I'm sorry you got reamed over whatever,  you didn't have that coming and there's no reason for it, which brings us full circle back to my OP and Question.   

Why Am I DC weary? I don't understand why you ask that. Because of what I wrote. And you make the point yourself: because for a long time nothing, and then one or two or three threads and every one of them has someone (often the same people) acting, well, rudely. Makes me weary.

As you say, we can talk all day about guns, knives and tarps and no one gets rude or personal. One DC thread, and someone says something negative about him, and the flaming starts. But you're asking "why"... and I guess I can't say more than I have.

In my opinion, the guy just draws fire.

I can tell you, it will be a long time before I'll even read a DC thread, let alone comment and open the door to the DC defence brigade.

Oh, and guilt by association: I'll likely not have any sudden urges to watch, sub or otherwise support him anytime soon.

Sorry I didn't answer your question. Not sure anyone can. But it's all on topic, as far as I'm concerned.

Good luck Moe.

[Moe M.]

Well, this isn't going to end well for me, I'm sure...

Moe, what I don't understand is why aren't people all over you for suggesting that anything associated with DC ends up in the toilet? Just this evening I posted a similar observation in the hopes that it wouldn't happen again, and I get torn a new one? What's up with that?!? You're living right I guess.

I don't hate the guy. I watch his 'free' vids too, like WI.

But man, why indeed? Why do people get so worked up? I dunno. But like I've already said, drama follows this guy and I am sick of it.

  KK, your words,  "Drama follows that guy",  "and I'm sick of it",   think about that,  He's not creating the drama,  we are when we either bash him or defend him,  why blame him and continue animas,  someone made a good point a few posts back,  " I don't dislike anybody,  if I don't care to watch them I shut them off",  sound reasoning as far as I'm concerned.

But if it the one thing in common to a bunch of "drama" IS _______ (insert topic/name), then logically, ___________ (insert topic/name) MUST be the origin.

Some things just illicit weird responses. Some people are surrounded by controversy and others not. What's the diff between Ray Mears, Mors Kochanski, and Dave Canterbury? And yet, to my knowledge, only one of those people result in threads being locked down and such. I've NEVER seen a RM thread locked down.

[[[[ How does it NOT have to do with the topic/person? They must somewhere bring this out of people somehow? ]]]]

   If we are discussing Knives (happens often here  ),  eventually someone will mention Mora's,  now we all know that I'm not a big Mora fan (so people think),  If someone were to ask me why I put down Mora's and my only excuse was that I'm weary of hearing about Mora's,  what would you think ?
  You'd probably think I was pretty friggin' petty,  but I don't say that, I use valid reasons for why I don't think they make good all around camp knives, much less a survival tool,  but I also say that they are good quality, very sharp, and have there place in a camp setting,  and then I leave it alone.
  I have no doubt in my mind that my being negitive about Mora's in a post is going to piss someone off,  Now I ask you,  did Mora create the discord, is it Mora's fault an argument broke out, or is it mine for being negitive and the other guys for taking offense ?
 

[MnSportsman]

   I typed up this post about 30minutes ago or more & for some reason when I tried to post it I got booted off the internet..
 
And that ticks me off...


Anyway. I see you all have moved on, but I am still gonna post what I typed & I don't give adamn if anyone reads it now, but I am posting it.
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  We have two threads going that at least in part discuss Dave Canterbury,  and we have had a few others in the past that discussed the same subject that didn't end well.
  Not wanting to add to the derail of the ones that are still active I started this one,  it's in the form of a question,  lets hope anyone contributing will be civil in their replies.


  My question,  why do you think that the mere mention of Dave Canterbury, the Pathfinder school or store,  or his videos almost always end up in argument,  what is it about this guy that brings out the worst in some people ?

     It seems to me that one one hand, there are some folks who have been doing this kind of stuff all of their lives, or a greater part of it,and learned their ways thru their family, friends, or other mentors, that helped them figure out the background & skills that go along with being a woodsman/bushcrafter. They spent their "dirt time" out in the wilds over the course of their life & through first hand experience getting in the "dirt time". The family, friends & mentors that helped them along were usually older, & had even more time/experience doing the stuff. Some had relatives going back for generations practicing these skills sometimes on an everyday basis, because the technology had not advanced to where we are today.
    Then, on the other hand there are those who did not have that long term background & are either now starting to learn more or are supplementing what they have/had learned in the past, with Online mentors, like DC & others of his kind.


   And of course there are those in between.


   The differing opinions of how to rate DC ( or others of his kind) will certainly be noticeable , since those who are of the first group I mentioned, either know almost as much ( although perhaps in a different environment), know the same knowledge/skillsets as DC ( & others) or know more than DC ( & others) in wilderness knowledge & skills. They got their knowledge first hand and/or through those others I have mentioned, & they hold those others in HIGH esteem. (& sometimes themselves).


 Where on the other hand, the ones who have learned just a little on their own or from a"mentor" type setting, and now gain much from DC will now hold DC in that HIGH esteem.


  With the ones in between those two groups may be indifferent to the mentor group or DC ( & others) in the amount of esteem they place in those folks & are indifferent to the others on each end of the spectrum.


   So, my thinking is it is a case of people of different mentalities on what DC can offer to them based on that persons background in the woodsman/bushcraft field.


   The first group may think DC offers little as compared with themselves & their past experiences. The other group  thinks DC offers much since they were not exposed to what the opposite group was exposed to. So like Football, you have two teams who are meeting on the field to have a match. There are fans who support & stand behind their team ( Old school mentors) & the fans of the other team ( DC & others) & of course those who like to watch football for the sport & care not who they support ( middle group) 


All the groups enjoy Football (Woodsmanship/Bushcraft)
We all like it, but we are supporting our teams & our backgrounds in woods/bushcraft & how we have learned what we have. So when others give us the impression that "our" team is less important than "their" team, in that difference of opinion, there is gonna be tensions & disputes.


Well, that is my opinion on why folks have the disputes. Long winded, I know.... I wish I could be more concise. I am trying to get better at it everyday.


Next?
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    So, there it is.

[Old Philosopher]

LOL! Moe, my reply about the hair and voice was shallow because most of the guttural arguments about DC are just as shallow.

RM isn't controversial. He didn't have a questionable resume. He wasn't on prime time U.S. television. As far as I know he didn't go from being an obscure YouTuber to selling his own brand of outdoor gear in a decade. RM is lukewarm tea and crumpets. Dave is....well, Dave.

As far as the visceral reaction to DC, or any other controversial topic, I think KK came close to the truth. The subjects make some people uncomfortable. Uncomfortable is an understatement in some cases. Panic might be closer.

The word "insecure" was also used. I think that's a valid observation, too.
"Insecure? I'm not insecure in my belief!!"
"Oh, really. Then why are you up on your tiptoes all red in the face yelling at me?"

Moe, your question in the OP is as basic as asking why some people physically fight to resolve an argument, while others negotiate?  There are some deep psychological issues going on in all these areas.

[Old Philosopher]

  ....

All the groups enjoy Football (Woodsmanship/Bushcraft)
We all like it, but we are supporting our teams & our backgrounds in woods/bushcraft & how we have learned what we have. So when others give us the impression that "our" team is less important than "their" team, in that difference of opinion, there is gonna be tensions & disputes....

LOL, JB! I think the whole "bushcraft" community is a lot less rabid that "sports fans". Holy, cow. I've seen fist fights break out in sports bars!  And South Americans kill each other over a soccer game!
I think it boils down to "people are just plain nuts".....

[Moe M.]

Maybe you named your thread a little off, Moe. A lot of us are DC weary maybe. My post was all too serious. I got reamed and you haven't yet. Rhyme? Reason?

I was also serious about people defending DC. Well, let's broaden that to include all the controversies. It doesn't matter if you are trying to avoid conflict and arguing, it comes after you in these posts.

Why? Still working on it.

My theory is that people are insecure and feel threatened? Like maybe taking a stab at Bigfoot makes us feel like our world will fall apart? But I tell you, when people take a stab at my faith, for example, it doesn't threaten me, rather it makes me stronger. I don't answer like I just came out from under a bridge either.

I think the internet gives people balls they don't have in real life. They are likely powerless and lame in real life and enjoy the 'power' of anonymity.

And again, I was serious Moe.

  There you go again,  "A lot of us are DC weary",  now why is that,  Dave Canterbury gets very little mention on this forum on a regular basis,  so two threads not counting mine have been active for a couple of days,  the last one before that got shut down because it got derailed but that was weeks ago and damned little before that,  what's to get weary about,  think about it,  we each post hundreds of posts hear, some of us are in the thousands,  and we discuss the same subjects day in and day out, Knives, guns, cast iron, flashlights, recipes, tarps, tents, and cowboy coffee for starters.
  Would you want to venture a guess as to how many time those subjects get revisited every month on these boards,  I can guarantee it's a crap load more than DC,  why does he get us weary ?

  I'm sorry you got reamed over whatever,  you didn't have that coming and there's no reason for it, which brings us full circle back to my OP and Question.   

Why Am I DC weary? I don't understand why you ask that. Because of what I wrote. And you make the point yourself: because for a long time nothing, and then one or two or three threads and every one of them has someone (often the same people) acting, well, rudely. Makes me weary.

As you say, we can talk all day about guns, knives and tarps and no one gets rude or personal. One DC thread, and someone says something negative about him, and the flaming starts. But you're asking "why"... and I guess I can't say more than I have.

In my opinion, the guy just draws fire.

I can tell you, it will be a long time before I'll even read a DC thread, let alone comment and open the door to the DC defence brigade.

Oh, and guilt by association: I'll likely not have any sudden urges to watch, sub or otherwise support him anytime soon.

Sorry I didn't answer your question. Not sure anyone can. But it's all on topic, as far as I'm concerned.

Good luck Moe.

   Oh no, KK, you did answer it in a way,  you answered it by saying that you know it's not DC's fault that a few people resent him for personal reasons,  and that you are going to let yourself be intimidated by the few to the point where you won't read, watch, or support anything to do with DC because you're afraid that it might draw fire.
   Before you say that it's more than a few, stop and consider the number of people who subscribe to his sites and follow his videos,  and how many complain about him.

   This whole DC thing in my opinion is about as childish as it can get.

  I'm not calling you childish,  but you are getting caught up in it for no good reason,  just post your opinion and if someone doesn't like your opinion,  screw 'em and give them marshmallows.   

[MnSportsman]

   Well, I was gonna use religions or political parties, but that would have been another hassle. Even though they would have likely been a better example , if ya think about it. As it is much the same when folks view things and argue from the two main sides of those subjects.. So I used Football". Which is used world wide for both soccer & US NFL.  I just covered all the bases.


We all love woodsmanship /bushcraft here, but we have the two opposite spectrum backgrounds & the middle ground. And I think it is exactly what I said earlier. Each is defending their heroes, role models, mentors, or whatever descriptive word ya want to use to describe them.


   Ya wanna see some debating & harsh words?? When folks start forming "clubs" in a forum, like those who are Axedudes, or Beckernoggins, or the like.. Then you'll likely see some crap flying...  Like lil kids forming some sort of aclub or gang. Geeez. Here I go.
 


  Time to go crack a beer or something...


  So, if no one comes up with a better explanation than what I posted earlier.... That's my opinion & I'm stickin to it.
 

[MnSportsman]

This whole DC thing in my opinion is about as childish as it can get.

  I'm not calling you childish,  but you are getting caught up in it for no good reason,  just post your opinion and if someone doesn't like your opinion,  screw 'em and give them marshmallows.   

Amen to that..
  I try to do that all the time. But not necessarily "marshmallows".
LOL

[Moe M.]

   Well, I was gonna use religions or political parties, but that would have been another hassle. Even though they would have likely been a better example , if ya think about it. As it is much the same when folks view things and argue from the two main sides of those subjects.. So I used Football". Which is used world wide for both soccer & US NFL.  I just covered all the bases.


We all love woodsmanship /bushcraft here, but we have the two opposite spectrum backgrounds & the middle ground. And I think it is exactly what I said earlier. Each is defending their heroes, role models, mentors, or whatever descriptive word ya want to use to describe them.


   Ya wanna see some debating & harsh words?? When folks start forming "clubs" in a forum, like those who are Axedudes, or Beckernoggins, or the like.. Then you'll likely see some crap flying...  Like lil kids forming some sort of aclub or gang. Geeez. Here I go.
 


  Time to go crack a beer or something...


  So, if no one comes up with a better explanation than what I posted earlier.... That's my opinion & I'm stickin to it.
 

  Good man,  stick to your guns,  if this thread does nothing else it's active.   

[Moe M.]

This whole DC thing in my opinion is about as childish as it can get.

  I'm not calling you childish,  but you are getting caught up in it for no good reason,  just post your opinion and if someone doesn't like your opinion,  screw 'em and give them marshmallows.   

Amen to that..
  I try to do that all the time. But not necessarily "marshmallows".
LOL

                                                     

[zammer]

Oh no, KK, you did answer it in a way,  you answered it by saying that you know it's not DC's fault that a few people resent him for personal reasons,  and that you are going to let yourself be intimidated by the few to the point where you won't read, watch, or support anything to do with DC because you're afraid that it might draw fire.

This is the exact reason why folks get fed up with lots of threads............

[SwampHanger]

I would like to say that Big Foot gets jokes and comments because of the lack of real eveidence. Now that statement will start it off. But with what folks have you could not get a conviction in court with such evidence. I have stayed out of these topics because of how personal feelings get in everyone's way and folks get dang mad. Sometimes I wonder what new people think of our knife and bushcraft forum when the hottest topic all day is about ufo's and Bigfoot research reports. But the same could be said about some of the others threads in general that have nothing to do with bushcraft topics.

[Yeoman]

People bashed Ray Mears.
People bashed Bear Grylls.
It's Dave Canterbury's turn is all.

Any subject has polarizing figures and I suppose it's simple in and out groups from Psych or Soc 101.

[kanukkarhu]

Oh no, KK, you did answer it in a way,  you answered it by saying that you know it's not DC's fault that a few people resent him for personal reasons,  and that you are going to let yourself be intimidated by the few to the point where you won't read, watch, or support anything to do with DC because you're afraid that it might draw fire.

This is the exact reason why folks get fed up with lots of threads............

BINGO!!!

Friend Moe, you've made a mistake in your judgement. You have mistakeningly concluded that I want nothing to do with DC because I'm intimidated by his followers. If you'd have read more carefully my answers, you'd see that I have nothing inherently against DC or his business - "I watch his 'free' videos" - but rather my reason for distancing myself is because of the controversy that surrounds him. The drama. And frankly, Zammer is 100% right. Your post is exactly the kind of thing I avoid.

Why? Because I'm intimidated?!? Lol! Not likely...

Am I afraid or intimidated by a rabid fan? No. Do I have time and energy and desire to read stuff that^  and low shots, and trolls coming out to pass judgement and flame those who dare reply in a way they don't like? No.

You've done the classic mistake Moe. You've mistaken "meekness" for "weakness".

"Meekness is power (our words, temper etc) under control."

And I've heard that the meek are gonna do ok in the end...

I'm at my best, IMHO, when I don't reply negatively and rudely to negative and rude posts. EDIT: Or better yet, avoid the petty drama all together.
Ymmv

[MnSportsman]

I would like to say that Big Foot gets jokes and comments because of the lack of real eveidence. Now that statement will start it off. But with what folks have you could not get a conviction in court with such evidence. I have stayed out of these topics because of how personal feelings get in everyone's way and folks get dang mad. Sometimes I wonder what new people think of our knife and bushcraft forum when the hottest topic all day is about ufo's and Bigfoot research reports. But the same could be said about some of the others threads in general that have nothing to do with bushcraft topics.

   Got booted off the internet again before I could type in this post & it is really starting to piss me off. Gonna be calling the provider pretty damn quick...
 
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Anyway, I just wanted to say that I agree with SH on those last two sentences for sure, but at the same time I think that if folks want to discuss thing & can do them "civilly", they should be able to discuss any subject.It is when folks start trying to hammer others is when the problems develop.


  Now, back to the discussion.



Edit: read the first part of this post & you will know......

[brad.clarkston]

Please, a one line sentence from my asking you to stop isn't a "reaming" in any sense of the word.

Though even I see the irony in your "I think the internet gives people balls they don't have in real life. They are likely powerless and lame in real life and enjoy the 'power' of anonymity." remark.

I'll leave it at that.

Maybe you named your thread a little off, Moe. A lot of us are DC weary maybe. My post was all too serious. I got reamed and you haven't yet. Rhyme? Reason?

I was also serious about people defending DC. Well, let's broaden that to include all the controversies. It doesn't matter if you are trying to avoid conflict and arguing, it comes after you in these posts.

Why? Still working on it.

My theory is that people are insecure and feel threatened? Like maybe taking a stab at Bigfoot makes us feel like our world will fall apart? But I tell you, when people take a stab at my faith, for example, it doesn't threaten me, rather it makes me stronger. I don't answer like I just came out from under a bridge either.

I think the internet gives people balls they don't have in real life. They are likely powerless and lame in real life and enjoy the 'power' of anonymity.

And again, I was serious Moe.

[SwampHanger]

Point proven this is what always happens. ^^^^^^^

[Wood Trekker]

Well, I can only speak for myself on this subject. There are two separate aspects of controversy on the issue for me.

The first is that I find that a lot of the things Dave says are wrong, and at times outright ridiculous. For those of us who actually spend decent amounts of time in the woods, those errors are quite obvious, and prompt us to point that out. For example, in his recent video about winter clothing, Dave outright stated that any natural material (cotton included) will always be warmer than any man made material. Obviously that is factually incorrect. When I pointed that out, as did a few other people, his response was "well, yes, but if you have enough of any natural material, it will be warmer than a much smaller amount of synthetic material". It blew my mind. I think as others have pointed out, Dave does not have the experience that other bushcraft celebrities have. His knowledge has been acquired on YouTube, and has a similar level of quality. That is annoying for people who from time to time go further into the woods than their backyard.

That however, is not my main source of annoyance with Dave. I am happy to disagree and argue with him, and I do that when I feel it is necessary. The main source of conflict is fanboys. They typically know even less than Dave, but feel the need to jump in with personal attacks, or ridiculous, unfounded praise, every time Dave is brought up in a conversation. We have seen it is the last several Dave threads here. The same two people have launched personal attacks on anyone who is in any way perceived to be negative about Dave. Now, I happen to think very little of those people, and I don't care to speculate about the origins of their love for Dave, so I have kept out of those discussions, but that has typically been the main source of Dave drama.

Those are my feelings on the subject. I'm sure others have their own reasons.

[Yeoman]

 

[crashdive123]

  We have two threads going that at least in part discuss Dave Canterbury,  and we have had a few others in the past that discussed the same subject that didn't end well.
  Not wanting to add to the derail of the ones that are still active I started this one,  it's in the form of a question,  lets hope anyone contributing will be civil in their replies.

  My question,  why do you think that the mere mention of Dave Canterbury, the Pathfinder school or store,  or his videos almost always end up in argument,  what is it about this guy that brings out the worst in some people ?

For me - it is all about lying about his military service.  Other than that I don't have anything negative about him.  The sad thing is that I really don't believe he had to lie about his service.  He is definitely a talented man that passes along the information in such a manner as to make it easy to grasp.

[Moe M.]

Oh no, KK, you did answer it in a way,  you answered it by saying that you know it's not DC's fault that a few people resent him for personal reasons,  and that you are going to let yourself be intimidated by the few to the point where you won't read, watch, or support anything to do with DC because you're afraid that it might draw fire.

This is the exact reason why folks get fed up with lots of threads............

BINGO!!!

Friend Moe, you've made a mistake in your judgement. You have mistakeningly concluded that I want nothing to do with DC because I'm intimidated by his followers. If you'd have read more carefully my answers, you'd see that I have nothing inherently against DC or his business - "I watch his 'free' videos" - but rather my reason for distancing myself is because of the controversy that surrounds him. The drama. And frankly, Zammer is 100% right. Your post is exactly the kind of thing I avoid.

Why? Because I'm intimidated?!? Lol! Not likely...

Am I afraid or intimidated by a rabid fan? No. Do I have time and energy and desire to read stuff that^  and low shots, and trolls coming out to pass judgement and flame those who dare reply in a way they don't like? No.

You've done the classic mistake Moe. You've mistaken "meekness" for "weakness".

"Meekness is power (our words, temper etc) under control."

And I've heard that the meek are gonna do ok in the end...

I'm at my best, IMHO, when I don't reply negatively and rudely to negative and rude posts. EDIT: Or better yet, avoid the petty drama all together.
Ymmv

   I didn't make a mistake,  I know you are not easily intimidated and I know that you are always a gentleman when talking with the members,  even on touchy topics,  I said what I said to make a point which may have missed the mark a bit.
   All that you said about DC's drawing fire and controversy, about being weary of the of the discussion, about distancing yourself from it and finally purposely not viewing or supporting him in any way because of what a few others say sound very much like I put in my post.
   
  Don't watch him or support him if your don't like him or his presentations,  that's fine,   but don't stop watching or supporting his video's just because someone else has a problem with him,  that was my point,  perhaps not as well made as it could have been.

[Moe M.]

  Evidently I did make a mistake in starting this thread,  I had hoped that we could dig into ourselves and find a way to get past whatever it is that gets these DC (and other hot button subjects)  discussions so upsetting,  and that we could talk about them in a purely dispassionate way,  I guess we aren't there yet, because we are right back to the same old same old.

  Sorry for the distraction.

  KK,  you are right, I was wrong,  It's just not worth the effort.   

[kanukkarhu]

Please, a one line sentence from my asking you to stop isn't a "reaming" in any sense of the word.

Though even I see the irony in your "I think the internet gives people balls they don't have in real life. They are likely powerless and lame in real life and enjoy the 'power' of anonymity." remark.

I'll leave it at that.

Maybe you named your thread a little off, Moe. A lot of us are DC weary maybe. My post was all too serious. I got reamed and you haven't yet. Rhyme? Reason?

I was also serious about people defending DC. Well, let's broaden that to include all the controversies. It doesn't matter if you are trying to avoid conflict and arguing, it comes after you in these posts.

Why? Still working on it.

My theory is that people are insecure and feel threatened? Like maybe taking a stab at Bigfoot makes us feel like our world will fall apart? But I tell you, when people take a stab at my faith, for example, it doesn't threaten me, rather it makes me stronger. I don't answer like I just came out from under a bridge either.

I think the internet gives people balls they don't have in real life. They are likely powerless and lame in real life and enjoy the 'power' of anonymity.

And again, I was serious Moe.

Yes, it is my opinion that people who respond rudely and brazenly to to anonymous, unknown people on the internet, from behind the comfort of cyber space, only do so because they can't in real life. Just my opinion of course. I could be wrong, though, it's happened before! It could be that you're not really a live-in troll on this forum.

Either way, please don't pm me again, I didn't and won't read your pms. Thanks.
 

[madmax]

Easy boys.  We can get along.

[kanukkarhu]

Oh no, KK, you did answer it in a way,  you answered it by saying that you know it's not DC's fault that a few people resent him for personal reasons,  and that you are going to let yourself be intimidated by the few to the point where you won't read, watch, or support anything to do with DC because you're afraid that it might draw fire.

This is the exact reason why folks get fed up with lots of threads............

BINGO!!!

Friend Moe, you've made a mistake in your judgement. You have mistakeningly concluded that I want nothing to do with DC because I'm intimidated by his followers. If you'd have read more carefully my answers, you'd see that I have nothing inherently against DC or his business - "I watch his 'free' videos" - but rather my reason for distancing myself is because of the controversy that surrounds him. The drama. And frankly, Zammer is 100% right. Your post is exactly the kind of thing I avoid.

Why? Because I'm intimidated?!? Lol! Not likely...

Am I afraid or intimidated by a rabid fan? No. Do I have time and energy and desire to read stuff that^  and low shots, and trolls coming out to pass judgement and flame those who dare reply in a way they don't like? No.

You've done the classic mistake Moe. You've mistaken "meekness" for "weakness".

"Meekness is power (our words, temper etc) under control."

And I've heard that the meek are gonna do ok in the end...

I'm at my best, IMHO, when I don't reply negatively and rudely to negative and rude posts. EDIT: Or better yet, avoid the petty drama all together.
Ymmv

   I didn't make a mistake,  I know you are not easily intimidated and I know that you are always a gentleman when talking with the members,  even on touchy topics,  I said what I said to make a point which may have missed the mark a bit.
   All that you said about DC's drawing fire and controversy, about being weary of the of the discussion, about distancing yourself from it and finally purposely not viewing or supporting him in any way because of what a few others say sound very much like I put in my post.
   
  Don't watch him or support him if your don't like him or his presentations,  that's fine,   but don't stop watching or supporting his video's just because someone else has a problem with him,  that was my point,  perhaps not as well made as it could have been.

That makes a little more sense to me Moe. Thanks for the clarification.

[weedeater64]

it's about us and why certain topics set us off,  Dave Canterbury, Bigfoot, Criptids,  and a couple of others,

This sort of jumps off the page, no?

Curious, where did you get 'hurtling insults' from the post made by OP you were responding to. Am I missing something, I didn't see that in his post at all.

[weedeater64]

My post was all too serious. I got reamed and you haven't yet. Rhyme? Reason?

Possibly, presentation, self righteousness,  attacks, et al..

What's the diff between Ray Mears, Mors Kochanski, and Dave Canterbury?

Are you serious?

One of these things is not like the other, at all.

[Wood Trekker]

My post was all too serious. I got reamed and you haven't yet. Rhyme? Reason?

Possibly, presentation, self righteousness,  attacks, et al..

Sadly, nothing of the sort.

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[upthecreek]

Let's let this rest for a bit.... no doubt we have more important things to share and discuss

Creek