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Title: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on May 14, 2014, 07:50:23 PM
I bought one of these Chinese knockoffs of a Brunton Pocket Transit....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/151235760642

At less than 10% of the price of one of Brunton's composite transits....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/231190344062

I didn't expect much for $24.99, but I was very pleasantly surprised at the accuracy & how well it works.  The needle settles very quickly, is easy to read to 1/2 degree and points exactly 180 degrees apart at each end of the needle at each quadrant.  It sets just like the Brunton for local magnetic declination.  The bullseye level bubble centers well in the 'bullseye' and the long level works well for measuring degree of slope.  There is no vernier scale for % of grade and for some reason the slope scale only reads to 70* instead of the 90* scale that the Bruntons have. :shrug:  Being plastic, it is very light, so it would not work well as a plumb bob like the heavy aluminum Brunton would, but it is a joy to carry.  The sights align and are as accurate as the Brunton's.  It has 'milled' slots for use with a swivel yoke on a tripod or Jacob's staff......just like the Brunton.  The mirror is not glass, but is either plastic or metal....I can't tell which.  It works OK, but as expected, does not give as true a reflection as the Brunton's glass mirror.  Available in O.D. green or black, the hinged lid snaps securely and there's a button that raises the needle off the pivot point for carry when the lid is closed, but there is no carrying case.  FREE shipping & I had mine in hand 8 days after ordering!

If any of you guys that would like to try out the many features that pocket transits have, and don't want to spend much money to do it, you should give one of these inexpensive, but very accurate Chinese knockoffs a try.  I couldn't find anything wrong with the one I have. :shrug:

                                                         :banana: WOLFY APPROVED :banana:

Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wsdstan on May 14, 2014, 08:18:31 PM
I have only a little experience using these pocket transits (and never to their potential) but the difference in price is incredible.  Brunton makes pretty good binoculars and other very nice items, and several  models of these pocket transits.  I think some of Brunton's manufacturing is Asian but it bothers me that China can make one that appears to be a copy for that little bit of a price.  It would be hard to justify the Brunton unless you were using it for professional work or in an environment where you life depended on it.  Good find Wolfy.
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: Aven on May 14, 2014, 09:10:46 PM
That's odd.  According to their write up, it should have a 90* vertical scale.

 My question is how durable is it?  Gonna put it through a workout for us Wolfy?
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on May 14, 2014, 09:41:23 PM
I didn't mean to imply that the copy is of the same quality or that it has the inherent durability of the Brunton, but to give the Brunton system versatility and capabilities a try, or as a student learning tool, it is well worth the money.  The accuracy of the example I received is dead-nuts on in comparing it side by side with my Brunton International. There is no induction dampening for the needle, but it does settle quickly.  I don't know if they are all this accurate, but this one is.  The lens is plastic, I think, so it will scratch more readily than the Brunton's glass lens and if it were dropped on a hard surface from several feet, it might not survive, but dropping ANY transit can screw up the accuracy, so you'll have to go elsewhere to see side by side drop tests. :doh:    The copy is incorrect if it says they go to 90 degrees and if you look closely at the zoomed picture of the knockoff, you can see that it only goes to 70 degrees.  Another thing I forgot to mention in my first post is that the sights are NOT adjustable like the Bruntons are, but this one aligned perfectly and no adjustments were necessary. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: Aven on May 14, 2014, 09:52:39 PM
No Wolfy, I wasn't poking at you or your review.  The write up for the pocket transit you purchased must have a typo in it.  7 and 9 look a lot alike when someone has crappy handwriting.

I don't expect the copy to be the same as a Brunton's and I know better than to drop my instruments, but crap happens you know.  Watched a guy I worked with spin an Trimble R8 antenna off the rod and drop it 7 feet onto the road.  He laughed.  The party chief and I gasped.  To our dismay, it still worked and was accurate.   Now I don't expect this to be dropped 7 feet while open and have it function afterwards. I was more wondering if it would last a weekend event or if the third/thirtieth time you opened it would it break.
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on May 14, 2014, 10:03:32 PM
Yeah, I knew you were just curious, so all is well. :cheers:   To answer your question.....Yes, I believe it will last for a good long time with just a modicum of care & using good common sense with the realization that it is just not as bullet-proof as a Brunton.   It sure works well, though.....I've been playing around with it a lot & have been carrying it in the center console of the pickup for about a month with no problems. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: PetrifiedWood on May 14, 2014, 10:50:05 PM
Thanks for the review Wolfy!

For the price it would be hard to choose between this one and the Harbin without the dampened needle.

I will say that as far as the plastic genuine Brunton goes, it is a nice instrument but I think it is priced too high for what you get. When you consider a smart phone costs as much as a compass, it puts things into perspective.

I think competition is good for consumers. It gives people options, makes things available to people who might not be able to afford the genuine article, and can bring prices down to earth for the read deal.
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: brush_loper on May 18, 2014, 07:52:23 AM
Looks exactly like my Brunton, which is plastic too and non maintainable (can't take it apart).
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: Spyder1958 on May 18, 2014, 11:24:38 AM
Wolfy whats your opinion on these? Vs the one you listed

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harbin-Aluminum-Pocket-Transit-H-DQL-3-DQL-3-DQL3-Geological-Compass/141175449457?_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D22769%26meid%3D6991050902332745478%26pid%3D100010%26prg%3D9826%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D24%26sd%3D151081217994

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Professional-Military-Army-Metal-Sighting-Compass-w-Inclinometer-Green-Color-/151081217994?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item232d246fca&tfrom=151235760642&tpos=unknow&ttype=price&talgo=origal

Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on May 18, 2014, 12:46:37 PM
PW has a Harbin transit that he reviewed sometime back.  It looks a little different than that one, but I imagine the quality would be similar.  It certainly LOOKS like a good one to me.   As I recall, Ron thought it was acceptable, but of course not a Brunton, either.  His review was well done and worth doing a search for. :thumbsup: Here is one of Ron's reviews..... http://bladesandbushcraft.com/index.php/topic,3214.0.html

As far as comparing the plastic El Cheapo Transit ($24.99 w/ FREE shipping) to the Harbin ($45.65 w/ NOT FREE shipping).....without having the Harbin in hand to compare, I really can't give you a fair comparison.  I will say, however, that the cheap plastic one I bought was every bit as accurate as the Brunton I have!   The needle is not as blunt & 'clunky' on the plastic transit as it is on the Harbin, the ends of the needle are sharper and closer to the degree marks on the dial (making it easier to see & read without guesswork) and the reciprocal readings at each end of the needle were well within a half a degree of one another......if I recall correctly from Ron's review, that was one of his complaints with the Harbin.  This Harbin has provision for balancing the needle via a slider, too, but the plastic version does not.  It's interesting that the plastic El Cheapo has slots for mounting to a swivel yoke, but it appears that the Harbin does not.....that's important to me, but may not be to you.   If you value lightness for carrying it around with you on hikes.....metal vs. plastic is a consideration, too.  Aluminum  Bruntons and their copies are NOT lightweights by any stretch of the imagination!

The second compass, I've looked at before, but know nothing about. :P   Personally, I'd opt for a luminous civilian Cammenga.  I KNOW they're good, induction damped (with no worries about bubbles forming), durable and very accurate.....just as accurate as my Suunto KB-14 and less finicky to position for an accurate reading!  This Chinese compass looks a little too 'gimmicky' to me, but again, I know nothing about it and it COULD be very good......I dun'no. :shrug:
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: Draco on May 18, 2014, 03:16:22 PM
That is pretty cool.  For $25 I will have to get one to play with.   I am getting to the point where it will be my turn to plan a SAR exercise for our group and I would like to do something that is very orienteering intensive.  This could really help me make sure I have everything set up as accurately as possible.   
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on May 18, 2014, 03:34:15 PM
It would be perfect for an application like that, Draco. :thumbsup:  There should be no question that your readings are dead-nuts on the money as long as you are careful in making your sightings, you have your declination set up accurately with the latest updated information for your specific course location.......AND you are lucky enough not to have to put up with any local outside deviation interference. :doh:    Backbearings taken from each succeeding 'station' should tell you if any of that is going on, though. 8)
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: Draco on May 18, 2014, 03:43:32 PM
Backbearings taken from each succeeding 'station' should tell you if any of that is going on, though. 8)

I was figuring that would be a good way to be sure.  One of our exercises they told us that someone had headed out at a bearing from the "little trailer" located in between two very large semi trailers.  You had to stand way away and shoot a back azimuth and move until you were on the correct line then shoot your azimuth.  One reason they have us use two hiking polls is to plant one and shoot a back azimuth at it to be sure you are on the correct line.  Fun stuff. 
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on May 18, 2014, 03:57:20 PM
This is a set of instructions for the Brunton pocket transit, but it pretty much covers the capabilities of all of them no matter who makes them.   Just thought it might be useful to someone unfamiliar with all the different problems that can be solved with one......

http://kooters.com/pdf/BruntonTransit-inst.pdf
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: PetrifiedWood on May 20, 2014, 01:49:47 AM
 I am pretty sure Harbin makes both the deal extreme one and the CST Berger I have. With this new plastic one at $25 I would buy it before the aluminum model at $39.

Though it is likely they will eventually make a magnetic damped version in plastic.

I used my Berger to successfully traverse from a township corner to a subdivision boundary marker and ended up only about 4 feet off the mark after 3 crude setups using a photography tripod. So it did what I expected of it, which was to get me close enough to locate existing markers. If you aren't a professional then it might be hard to justify the price of the real thing. That said, I worked for a surveying company on and off for about 5 years and they never used Bruntons for anything. It was always theodolites and total stations.

In any case they are very handy and take up a lot less space than a big instrument. But you need a tripod to get the most from them so I wouldn't get one that can't be used with a tripod like the non damped aluminum Harbin.
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on August 17, 2014, 08:00:52 AM
I saw that someone was reading this old thread again and thought that I might add an additional thought that I had about this plastic transit.   I stated in my review that it is not induction damped, but I based that assumption on the fact that it is not listed as one of its features in the description on eBay & I can't read the instruction sheet that came with it because it's written in Chinese. ???   I can't say for CERTAIN that it is induction damped, but judging from how quickly it settles after using it quite a bit more, I think that it almost has to be. :shrug:    As I said before, it's a lot of compass with a lot of capabilities for a paltry $25! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: Aven on August 17, 2014, 08:35:33 AM
Alright Wolfy, you've talked me into getting one.
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on August 17, 2014, 09:54:20 AM
I hope it is as good as the example they sent to me, Aven!   I was hoping SOMEONE would order one, just to see if mine is just an anomaly or most, if not ALL of them, are as well done and accurate as mine is. 

I realize that when ordering this stuff from China, it's kind of a roll of the dice in what you get sometimes, but still, $24.99 is not a whole bunch to gamble at the Chinese craps tables, either.  I'm anxious to hear what you think of yours after you put it through the paces.  Shipping only took a little more than a week from the time I ordered mine until I had it in hand. 

BON CHANCE! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: Aven on August 17, 2014, 10:18:20 AM
I'll definitely let you know my thoughts after I've had some time with it.

Seems someone with a better command of English has rewritten the description.

"This lightweight and durable transit was designed for the specific tasks required of geologists, surveyors, mining engineers, civil engineers, environmental engineers and foresters. The direct-read compass capsule of this transit features 1 degree resolution and 1/2 degree accuracy. And the dry compass capsule of this quick dampening needle features both a needle-lock to protect the compass assembly during transit and gear driven adjustable declination to allow for simple compensated bearings.

The vertical angle clinometer scale featuring 1 degree increments has a range of 90 degrees or 100% grade scale with an accuracy of 1/2 degree. A percent grade scale features increments of 5%.

Other features include a compass bubble level, clinometer level, sighting mirror with lubber line and sighting hole, induction dampened needle, and adjustable sighting points."
 


On a side note, Wolfy can you tell what the size and depth of the threads are?  If I can find the time, I'd like to put a staff together for it.
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: SwampHanger on August 17, 2014, 10:37:52 AM
Aven will let us know how it is when you receive it. I'm also interested in getting one as well.

Thanks Swamp
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: Aven on August 17, 2014, 10:41:30 AM
Aven will let us know how it is when you receive it. I'm also interested in getting one as well.

Thanks Swamp

SwampHanger, when I went back to look at the description, I noticed that they are offering other compasses that might appeal to someone who doesn't need a micro-transit.  A couple of them were going for $15 shipped.  Might be worth looking at the rest of their inventory.
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: SwampHanger on August 17, 2014, 11:41:13 AM
Thanks I'll check them out.
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on August 17, 2014, 01:58:25 PM
I'll definitely let you know my thoughts after I've had some time with it.

Seems someone with a better command of English has rewritten the description.

"This lightweight and durable transit was designed for the specific tasks required of geologists, surveyors, mining engineers, civil engineers, environmental engineers and foresters. The direct-read compass capsule of this transit features 1 degree resolution and 1/2 degree accuracy. And the dry compass capsule of this quick dampening needle features both a needle-lock to protect the compass assembly during transit and gear driven adjustable declination to allow for simple compensated bearings.

The vertical angle clinometer scale featuring 1 degree increments has a range of 90 degrees or 100% grade scale with an accuracy of 1/2 degree. A percent grade scale features increments of 5%.

Other features include a compass bubble level, clinometer level, sighting mirror with lubber line and sighting hole, induction dampened needle, and adjustable sighting points."
 


On a side note, Wolfy can you tell what the size and depth of the threads are?  If I can find the time, I'd like to put a staff together for it.
Aven, there are no threads on mine, just the two slots in the sides that accept the standard Brunton ball/swivel yoke.  The yoke accepts the standard 1/4" X 28 TPI  stud found on the Brunton non-magnetic tripod and other camera tripods.  I would keep watching eBay for those items, as they seem outrageously priced if purchased new from Brunton or distributors like Forestry Suppliers.  I even bought an almost brand new Jacob's staff on eBay for about what you'd pay for a good shovel handle at the hardware store! :banana:
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on August 17, 2014, 02:01:01 PM
Aven will let us know how it is when you receive it. I'm also interested in getting one as well.

Thanks Swamp
Don't trust ME, huh? :shrug: :rofl:
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: Outbackwack on August 17, 2014, 02:51:07 PM
What's the difference between a transit and a sighting compass? I use the Silva Ranger CL that has the clinometer and magnetic north adjustment. My old one was 20 years old and got a bubble in it and they replaced it no questions asked.
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on August 17, 2014, 03:03:07 PM
I think the best way to answer your question would be for you to read through this set of instructions for the Brunton pocket transit........

http://kooters.com/pdf/BruntonTransit-inst.pdf

They are a VERY useful instrument for all kinds of situations, but there are more functions in the design than many people would ever use or think to.   I used mine this spring to see if a dead elm tree was tall enough to fall on our tractor shed before cutting it down.  They're a lot of fun to play with, too! :banana:

Oh yeah......They never get bubbles in them, either. ;)
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: SwampHanger on August 17, 2014, 03:33:27 PM
Aven will let us know how it is when you receive it. I'm also interested in getting one as well.

Thanks Swamp
Don't trust ME, huh? :shrug: :rofl:

Just repeating what you said about not knowing their QC and was interested.
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on August 17, 2014, 03:38:11 PM
Aven will let us know how it is when you receive it. I'm also interested in getting one as well.

Thanks Swamp
Don't trust ME, huh? :shrug: :rofl:

Just repeating what you said about not knowing their QC and was interested.
Yeah, I know.......I was just funnin'  :lol: :cheers:
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: Aven on August 17, 2014, 06:53:29 PM
Aven, there are no threads on mine, just the two slots in the sides that accept the standard Brunton ball/swivel yoke.  The yoke accepts the standard 1/4" X 28 TPI  stud found on the Brunton non-magnetic tripod and other camera tripods.  I would keep watching eBay for those items, as they seem outrageously priced if purchased new from Brunton or distributors like Forestry Suppliers.  I even bought an almost brand new Jacob's staff on eBay for about what you'd pay for a good shovel handle at the hardware store! :banana:

Okay.  I can see the two slots on the side in the last picture.  What is the black piece of plastic for?  I thought it was a cover.  It it how you adjust your declination?
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on August 17, 2014, 07:06:27 PM
Aven, there are no threads on mine, just the two slots in the sides that accept the standard Brunton ball/swivel yoke.  The yoke accepts the standard 1/4" X 28 TPI  stud found on the Brunton non-magnetic tripod and other camera tripods.  I would keep watching eBay for those items, as they seem outrageously priced if purchased new from Brunton or distributors like Forestry Suppliers.  I even bought an almost brand new Jacob's staff on eBay for about what you'd pay for a good shovel handle at the hardware store! :banana:

Okay.  I can see the two slots on the side in the last picture.  What is the black piece of plastic for?  I thought it was a cover.  It it how you adjust your declination?
The plastic lever on the bottom is for moving the inclination scale and the long bubble-level.  There is a screw in the corner of the case that moves the geared azimuth ring for declination adjustment.  If you read that instruction PDF for the Brunton that I provided in my answer to Outwackback's question, it will show exactly how the Brunton AND the Chinese transit's functions operate. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: Aven on August 17, 2014, 07:09:49 PM
Aven, there are no threads on mine, just the two slots in the sides that accept the standard Brunton ball/swivel yoke.  The yoke accepts the standard 1/4" X 28 TPI  stud found on the Brunton non-magnetic tripod and other camera tripods.  I would keep watching eBay for those items, as they seem outrageously priced if purchased new from Brunton or distributors like Forestry Suppliers.  I even bought an almost brand new Jacob's staff on eBay for about what you'd pay for a good shovel handle at the hardware store! :banana:

Okay.  I can see the two slots on the side in the last picture.  What is the black piece of plastic for?  I thought it was a cover.  It it how you adjust your declination?
The plastic lever on the bottom is for moving the inclination scale and the long bubble-level.  There is a screw in the corner of the case that moves the geared azimuth ring for declination adjustment.  If you read that instruction PDF for the Brunton that I provided in my answer to Outwackback's question, it will show exactly how the Brunton AND the Chinese transit's functions operate. :thumbsup:

What?  Read the instruction manual?  That's just nuts if you ask me.


Well, crap one more pdf manual to add to the pile.  Why can't they just print the dang things out any more?
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on August 17, 2014, 07:11:26 PM
They do......it comes with the new $400 Bruntons! :rofl:
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: Aven on August 17, 2014, 07:18:39 PM
They do......it comes with the new $400 Bruntons! :rofl:

That's an expensive manual.  I guess I'll just go buy ink.
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: PetrifiedWood on August 17, 2014, 08:05:04 PM
The manual is really only a few pages. It's nice to have a reference to take in the field with you when you are familiarizing yourself with the transit. After using it for a bit you won't need the manual.
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on December 23, 2014, 04:24:39 PM
It's even cheaper now....on sale for $21.82 w/FREE shipping :banana:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/new-Pocket-Transit-Plastic-Compass-For-Hiking-Surveyors-Foresters-Army-Green/231430014415?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D1847d176d4da4e44a37482d96a131b60%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D20131003132420%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D151235760642&rt=nc
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: Quenchcrack on December 23, 2014, 06:38:07 PM
$21.00 WOW!  I had to use a Brunton in my first year of college for a land surveying course. Started with a chain, then the Brunton and on to levels and transits.  I think I remember how the range rod works...
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: upthecreek on December 23, 2014, 07:24:08 PM
that is cheap. Do you have one these wolfy?

Creek
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on December 23, 2014, 07:52:56 PM
that is cheap. Do you have one these wolfy?

Creek
Yup.....I evaluated it in post #1 and I even convinced PW to try one.  They're well worth the money for all they're capable of.......as a matter of fact, it has already been given the coveted "WOLFY APPROVED" seal of approval! 8)
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: PetrifiedWood on December 23, 2014, 11:11:18 PM
Yep. For the cost of a cheap baseplate compass you can get one of these and have a lot more capability. Still, a baseplate compass is as simple as it gets for use with a map.
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on December 24, 2014, 02:00:23 AM
LESS THAN $20 with FREE shipping TODAY! .   YOU CAN EVEN MAKE AN OFFER FOR LESS!     GO FOR IT! :shrug: :banana:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Army-Green-Pocket-Transit-Plastic-Compass-FOR-Hiking-Surveyors-Foresters/181623294395?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D7ff5e31025a442cf8b476cbc7fdc58e1%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D20131003132420%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D231430014415&rt=nc&tfrom=231430014415&tpos=unknow&ttype=price&talgo=origal
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: FlaMike on December 27, 2014, 07:36:54 AM
Wolfy,

You should get a job doing infomercials on cable TV!   8)

Just ordered one and also downloaded that manual (pdf) you posted a link to.

Thanks! It looks like a good deal to me.  :)

Mike S.
Spring Hill, FL
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on December 27, 2014, 09:18:43 AM
.......BUT WAIT!    If you order within the next 24 hrs., you'll get SECOND COMPASS......FREE!   Just pay separate shipping & handling charges.  Allow 4-8 weeks for delivery. 8)
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: FlaMike on December 27, 2014, 02:07:04 PM
You're a natural!  :rofl:

Mike S.
Spring Hill, FL
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: SIXFOOTER on December 27, 2014, 04:44:43 PM
I have one of these, and not a damn clue how to use it

(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m270/sixfooter_01/Tools%20and%20stuff/IMG_0892_zps61b10f32.jpg) (http://s106.photobucket.com/user/sixfooter_01/media/Tools%20and%20stuff/IMG_0892_zps61b10f32.jpg.html)
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on December 27, 2014, 06:44:00 PM
SIXFOOTER, go back up to "Reply #25" and download that PDF shown there.....it'll answer all of your questions and reveal all the usefulness that thing is capable of. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: SIXFOOTER on December 28, 2014, 07:53:18 AM
Cool, Thanks Wolfy
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: zammer on December 28, 2014, 08:55:47 AM
Actually, that thing is pretty cool wolfy... I never even thought about the ability to measure height but yea that could come in very handy for several reasons...
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: PetrifiedWood on December 28, 2014, 11:56:53 AM
Actually, that thing is pretty cool wolfy... I never even thought about the ability to measure height but yea that could come in very handy for several reasons...

Like, "If I cut this tree down so it falls across this creek, will it make it all the way across?" :D

Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: zammer on December 28, 2014, 12:38:53 PM
Actually, that thing is pretty cool wolfy... I never even thought about the ability to measure height but yea that could come in very handy for several reasons...

Like, "If I cut this tree down so it falls across this creek, will it make it all the way across?" :D

Maybe... >:D    lol
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: Quenchcrack on December 30, 2014, 10:37:01 AM
Well, being a hopeless geek, I had to have one of these.  I did not choose the lowest price, I ordered from the vendor with the highest rating.  Cost an extra $2. I also downloaded th Brunton Manual, thanks.  Now that I have an elegant solution, I need to go find the problem.
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on January 05, 2015, 11:57:29 PM
Wolfy,

You should get a job doing infomercials on cable TV!   8)

Just ordered one and also downloaded that manual (pdf) you posted a link to.

Thanks! It looks like a good deal to me.  :)

Mike S.
Spring Hill, FL
Well, being a hopeless geek, I had to have one of these.  I did not choose the lowest price, I ordered from the vendor with the highest rating.  Cost an extra $2. I also downloaded th Brunton Manual, thanks.  Now that I have an elegant solution, I need to go find the problem.
I hope you guys get as good an example of this thing as I did and that you come back and give your unbiased evaluation of them after wringing them out.  Good luck! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: FlaMike on January 10, 2015, 03:04:19 PM
Guess what showed up  today?

(http://www.ptponds.com/camp/comp01.jpg)

I've only played with it a bit, but I am impressed! Best $20 I've spent in quite a while. And I'm glad I downloaded that pdf that Wolfy posted a link to, as the instructions that came with it are in Chinese. (So, it's Greek to me!  :) ) And I don't read either language.  :-[

I don't think anyone will have a problem using this after reading through the instructions (in English.) It is pretty straight-forward and not nearly as complicated as it first appears.

I really appreciate your original post on this, Wolfy!  :hail: Love it!  :banana:

Mike S.
Spring Hill, FL
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on January 10, 2015, 03:51:52 PM
So good to hear that you're happy with it, Mike! :banana:     In looking back in the thread, it's been about 2 weeks since you ordered it.......not too bad for an order to China.  I think mine even came faster than that!

Anyway, practice doing all of the things it's capable of and you will be surprised at the number of times you will dig it out to hasten the solution to a problem! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: Quenchcrack on January 12, 2015, 05:15:44 PM
Well, it took 4 days to get to Chicago from China and 6 days from Chicago to Cypress, Tx.  Thank you, Unusually Slow Postal Service!  For $22 this little knock-off is a bargain but you would never mistake it for a real Brunton. With a little, care, it should last a long time, though.  Havn't checked it against my Suunto but It should be close enough for Government Work.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: kamayok3 on June 04, 2015, 01:17:27 AM
Bought one just now...... Now wait for it to arrive and test it out. Thanks for the great review.

Does it come with any pouch???
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on June 04, 2015, 07:28:00 AM
No pouch included with mine.
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: kamayok3 on June 04, 2015, 07:54:04 AM
No pouch included with mine.

Thanks Wolfy. Appreciate your time and effort. Actually I spend a lot of time choosing between this and the prismatic compass w/inclinometer. Just I dont read topo map and hiking/trekking a lot. So, in the end I choose this pocket transit. Thanks for your great review.

1. How is the casing feels like? Is it a solid block of plastic or a soft type?
2. How about the hinge? Does it stay at that angle firmly?

Thanks.
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: PetrifiedWood on June 04, 2015, 08:25:09 AM
The case on mine is beginning to crack a little at the hinge. It still stays together and functions, but eventually it could fail. For the price it is a nice compass.
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on June 04, 2015, 08:36:26 AM
Kamayok3......The plastic is not the 'soft' type and so far, the lid-hinge on mine has maintained enough friction to keep the lid at any angle I select.  I suspect it will stay that way for quite a long time because the hinge pivot-point is a roll pin.


PW.....Can you dribble a couple of drops of superglue into the crack to 'weld' it?  :shrug:
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: PetrifiedWood on June 04, 2015, 08:31:30 PM
Kamayok3......The plastic is not the 'soft' type and so far, the lid-hinge on mine has maintained enough friction to keep the lid at any angle I select.  I suspect it will stay that way for quite a long time because the hinge pivot-point is a roll pin.


PW.....Can you dribble a couple of drops of superglue into the crack to 'weld' it?  :shrug:

Probably. I was thinking about epoxy putty also. It is only on one side of the hinge, so the other side is intact. I am not sure how or why it happened because I am careful with it. But it is possible the plastic was just not mixed well. Sometimes molded plastic gets flow lines, particularly in intricate areas like the hinge that could make it weaker in that area. In any case it is still fully functional.
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: kamayok3 on June 04, 2015, 08:33:13 PM
Don't quite understand why there are 2 different model selling in Ebay?

vertical angle clinometer scale has a range of 90 degrees VS vertical angle clinometer scale has a range of 70 degrees

http://www.ebay.com.my/itm/Army-Green-Pocket-Transit-Plastic-Compass-For-Hiking-Surveyors-Foresters-/111556442428 (http://www.ebay.com.my/itm/Army-Green-Pocket-Transit-Plastic-Compass-For-Hiking-Surveyors-Foresters-/111556442428)

http://www.ebay.com.my/itm/Black-Plastic-Pocket-Transit-Compass-0-360-Scale-New-/251982177246?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3aab4ee3de (http://www.ebay.com.my/itm/Black-Plastic-Pocket-Transit-Compass-0-360-Scale-New-/251982177246?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3aab4ee3de)

Any pros and cons with only 20 degrees difference?

Thanks.
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on June 04, 2015, 10:09:38 PM
Just less capacity to measure in certain situations.  If I could have purchased one with the ability to go to 90* I would have, but there was no choice when I bought mine.  Definitely, go with the 90* model.  I would. :thumbsup:

There are many vendors offering these things on EBay, now.  Just seek out the one with the lowest price and a high approval rating.  Most come from China w/free shipping, so just pay attention to the shipping charges......THAT'S usually where the REAL difference is. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: kamayok3 on June 04, 2015, 10:20:12 PM
Just less capacity to measure in certain situations.  If I could have purchased one with the ability to go to 90* I would have, but there was no choice when I bought mine.  Definitely, go with the 90* model.  I would. :thumbsup:

There are many vendors offering these things on EBay, now.  Just seek out the one with the lowest price and a high approval rating.  Most come from China w/free shipping, so just pay attention to the shipping charges......THAT'S usually where the REAL difference is. :rolleyes:

NVM, since I already made payment for the 70 degrees version. Will use it for some times and get the 90 degrees version if spoil. :) BTW, I also emailed the seller and ask about this. Let see what the seller reply.

Cheers...
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on January 29, 2016, 10:56:07 AM
I noticed that the instruction-sheet link that I provided for the pocket transit in post #13 is dead, so.....

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0217/7948/files/Transit_Manual.pdf?1723003962549935157 4

And from another source....

https://www.wou.edu/las/physci/taylor/es406_structure/compton_map.pdf
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on February 07, 2016, 12:42:41 PM
Here's a file reproduction of the manual that came with the 1957 Ainsworth/Brunton pocket transit.....

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz0ZKN4l6fZfdXMtcC1RaTNyWEU/view

This comes courtesy of Brian Haren's blog, Northing & Easting.....

In 1957 an Ainsworth manufactured pocket transit would set you back $48.50. Wow! Compared to current pricing for the same item made today by the Brunton Company - $400 - that was quite a bargain.

Or was it? There's no direct comparison between 1957 prices and 2016 prices. If we calculate for inflation using consumer price index numbers, $48.50 in 1957 dollars = $409.09 in 2015 dollars. So the pocket transit buyer in 1957 was actually paying a bit more for his compass.

Any way you calculate it a new pocket transit is a pricey piece of equipment. It wasn't (and still isn't) a purchase decision a young college student or newly graduated geologist made lightly, but it was a necessary and critical piece of his professional kit. That probably explains why there are so many well used but well cared for examples available today on auction sites like eBay.

Brian
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: imnukensc on February 07, 2016, 02:54:58 PM
Whew!  Makes me feel better.  $64 last year.  Mine is in quadrants.  wolfy, do you have a good source for dating these?

(http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p632/imnukensc/IMG_1873_zpsg6ebr5ss.jpg)
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on February 07, 2016, 03:41:14 PM
I think I paid around $75 for mine, but it is an azimuth 'international' model.  I was fortunate enough to get a leather case with mine, too.  Both compass and case look brand new, except for a small defect in the mirror-coating at one end of the lubber-line.  The more I've used the quadrant 'survey compass' models, the more I like them....much simpler notations and easier & faster to visualize in my mind's eye than the azimuth and it's reciprocal.

There is not much that I've ever been able to find on dating them besides this page....
http://web.archive.org/web/20090209070639/http://brunton.williamjhudson.net/index.html

You might also like to read what's available at www.compassmuseum.c om also. :)
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: imnukensc on February 07, 2016, 04:11:38 PM
I'll have to do some more reading there, thanks!  I found this, too.  Near as I can figure mine was made 1926-1946, but I haven't researched or read enough on either the reference you posted or this one to be sure about that.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eyNbLhdh0Zm0Jus3GSCXNvdrLLwIMBfWY2dP5Mama7g/pub?output=html#
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: MnSportsman on February 07, 2016, 04:14:42 PM
http://oldtopographer.net/the-topographers-tools/brunton-pocket-transits/pocket-transit-resource-page/


http://oldtopographer.net/tag/pocket-transit/


Haven't read the whole topic. Maybe these links would help?
:shrug:

Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on February 07, 2016, 04:54:43 PM
Yeah, they sure do help.....I remember seeing the list of those serial numbers on Hudson's page, but they disappeared in 2004 and then Brian Haren republished them on his blog.  I bookmarked them again and then promptly forgot where I filed them. :P

Thanks a lot, JB! :cheers:
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: PetrifiedWood on February 07, 2016, 09:19:09 PM
Quadrants would definitely make it easier to use for following metes and bounds descriptions.
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: Unknown on February 07, 2016, 09:38:34 PM
does quadrants mean the scale is laid out in 90's rather than 360?
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on February 07, 2016, 10:07:58 PM
does quadrants mean the scale is laid out in 90's rather than 360?
Correctomundo! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: Unknown on February 07, 2016, 11:00:26 PM
This is one of those threads that makes ya think..I do have one more spot on the elevated flat surfaces in my home where I could set something else, and this seems like just the right size to fit.

It seems like something I would enjoy learning how to use, as well as something that I should know. Though I think it would be better for me to wait on a nuke, wolfy kind of bargain deal than ordering from china. I'll have to think bout that

My main compass that I use now is the silva Landmark type 27. which I think you might say is a miniature Ranger but really dont know if the quality is similar.
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: Quenchcrack on February 11, 2016, 08:34:10 AM
I bought one for sentimental reasons; I had to take a Land Surveying course in college and the Brunton was the first piece of precision equipment we were taught to use.  I have no real application for it and it is just a dust magnet on my curio shelf.  However, if I ever need to map our homestead lot (7500 square feet of pure suburban jungle) it will be handy.  For navigating around the local parks, my Camenga works fine.  I am throwing away all the button compasses in my sundry BOBs as I find them.  So far, none that I have found were capable of remembering where North is.  Must be a Chinese "thang".
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wsdstan on February 11, 2016, 09:06:10 AM
I have one good compass and several of those button compasses.  One of them is cased in a brass housing and pins on your coat if you wish.  When I got it North was pretty accurate.  These days it points around about everywhere and if there is a large knife next to it then it points at that. 
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: Punty on February 15, 2016, 06:45:43 PM
I have one good compass and several of those button compasses.  One of them is cased in a brass housing and pins on your coat if you wish.  When I got it North was pretty accurate.  These days it points around about everywhere and if there is a large knife next to it then it points at that.

  Now, what in the world would you be doing with a large knife? :shrug:

  My CCA (Cheap Chinese Alternative) arrives Monday. :D
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: Unknown on February 18, 2016, 09:33:37 PM
I saw what I think was the Brunton conventional model go for 42 bucks. Looked in great shape. I checked to see what kind of stuff the high bidder had been buying- lots of the same kind of stuff. So I didn't try to do battle.

I re-read Wolfy's review again. One of the things, the main thing I can think of now that keeps me from the knock-off is the plastic mirror. I found a different model that was looking kinda nice so I asked if it had a glass mirror, case material, rare earth magnet. Glass, metal case, no REM. $47.69

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Type-Harbin-Geologic-Compass-DQL-3-Professional-Surveying-Outdoor-Sports-/301791767548?hash=item464430ebfc:g:QT4AAOSwhcJWPA5D

This one does have rare earth magnet.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harbin-Geological-Compass-DQL-8-Magnet-needle-with-damping-/301790913130?hash=item464423e26a:g:PFgAAOSwAKxWZSHW

 Still looking to see what more I can learn first. Any opinions would be appreciated
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on February 18, 2016, 10:30:02 PM
That looks a lot like one that Petrified Wood reviewed here a while back.   Maybe you already saw it. :shrug:

http://bladesandbushlore.com/index.php?topic=3156.0

I guess you've got to ask yourself how much you intend to use one of these things in determining how much you want to spend.  NONE of the knockoffs are Bruntons, but I sure couldn't gripe about the accuracy and ease of reading the plastic Chinese model.  PW has both kinds.....maybe he'll pop in and give you his impressions of what he feels is the better value. :shrug:
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: PetrifiedWood on February 19, 2016, 06:41:20 PM
That Harbin is the same one sold by CST Berger here in the US, and is the same one I reviewed. ;)
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on February 19, 2016, 07:30:36 PM
It sure looked like the same thing to me.......Thanks, PW! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: Unknown on February 19, 2016, 08:34:37 PM
Sorry I missed the OR, PW. Wolfy set me to it and I read it. I don't recall if you said whether yours has dampening and rare earth magnet- mind resaying if you did?(PW)
  Thanks for the "still not Brunton", reminder Wolfy. Sure, I know it's not...yet, way in the back there is a notion of- hey I'm gettin' a brunton for next to nuton.

I imagine they are not all equal, but let me say "rare earth magnet", is it just that they are far less likely to become demagnetized, or is it less prone to interference by magnetic objects, or both. What relevance do you(anyone) place on that in real world activities.

Wolfy, I hear you saying the plastic mirror is not to bad, eh? I've had plastic signal mirrors, polished stainless ones. I've never needed to make a signal, but never liked them for trying to see what got in my eye, or trimming my mustache so I got glass(a small one). Equally important though,  I've never payed 30 for a tiny little glass mirror either.
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on February 19, 2016, 09:52:29 PM
Well, I don't really know what to tell you, Unk......I will say that the plastic (or whatever it is) mirror on the CCA has not been a problem for me at all in viewing the reflected image of the dial face when sighting with the peep/vanes.  It is not as good, however, when viewing a distant target point via the mirrored terrain image. 

Another important, but so far unmentioned fact, is the ease of viewing the exact degree that the needle is pointing to.  Remember, there are 360 very closely placed tick marks on that dial and the sharpness and distance from the needle's point to any one of those 360 increments can become a trial for older eyes.  Even Brunton recommends carrying a non-magnetic hand lens for ease of reading the azimuths on their transits!  The needle on the CCA is sharper and closer to the degree marks (and consequently easier to get an accurate reading) than are the blunt needles with the further spaced needle to azimuth ring spacing of the more expensive aluminum knockoffs.  Just one more thing to confuse you and make your decision more difficult! 8)

Read all of the user/buyer comments for both models on Amazon, too.....that may help. :shrug:
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: Unknown on February 19, 2016, 11:21:36 PM
A non-magnetic hand lens. (?) Is that a magnifying glass?

I'm approaching 3 years in my current glasses/frames. The usual recommendation is what; 1 year(this is my first pair) I am unusually picky, it seems, so I postpone the inevitable $$$ expense.

Actually, I would like to have a 20x loop to help unlock some edge sharpening issues, but that's probably not the thing for this.

Yeah right. That needle was bugging me. All I could think was- that needle looks dumb(and I did).. equating it to some aesthetic thing. But it's more than that...

Wolfy has more than one, Pw has more than one type. I dont need or want to pay for The one, so I only want to ferret my best option even if it sounds like I am  :deadhorse:  for  :banana:

and what I am looking at is $13 for the plastic OP(per shopping advice), 47-61 for the 2 models linked above, not $116 in PW review. FWIW to exclude ebay brunton bargain. (Pricing approx, shipping + or -. )
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: PetrifiedWood on February 20, 2016, 09:45:58 AM
The Harbin aluminum one that I reviewed sold by CST Berger is induction damped.
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on February 20, 2016, 12:10:22 PM
A non-magnetic hand lens. (?) Is that a magnifying glass?

Yes......and they DO help! :thumbsup:     You just have to make sure that the frame of the 'magnifying glass' does not contain ferrous metal or it will deflect the needle.  There are enough outside influences out there now, that do that anyway without introducing another to the mix.  I just use an unmounted objective lens that I recovered from a pair of junk binoculars......wor ks great. :)
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: esagittario on September 16, 2016, 05:26:14 AM
Good morning. I very much appreciated in your website your analysis of the validity of the Chinese copies of the compasses of "Pocket transit"
type. I would kindly to know if you had also experience with other Chinese copies of compasses type Suunto Tandem (www.ebay.it/itm/252022562242?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT) and type Brunton 15TDCL Compass (http://www.ebay.it/itm/141951285337?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
, and what do you think. Thanks and many greetings.
Esagittario
Title: Re: CHEAP CHINESE ALTERNATIVE TO A BRUNTON POCKET TRANSIT
Post by: wolfy on September 16, 2016, 08:25:17 AM
I will never know since they are both probably liquid-filled and neither one of those compasses will ship to the United States. :shrug: