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General Discussion / Re: Sorry. Can't find the super secret place
« Last post by Punty on Today at 07:05:09 AM »
Punty, I agree completely with your assessment of left-wing motivation.  People have three different belief systems:
1. Primary - their faith, their deep personal convictions that define them as a human being.
2. Secondary - Self-image. How they believe others see them. Secondary beliefs are fairly entrenched, based upon personal experience and interactions.
3. Tertiary - Superficial beliefs that are subject to change, like a preference in hand soap, or toothpaste.

With most Liberals, you are dealing with a Primary Belief (as you described), and suggesting that their political beliefs are ill-rooted is no different than questioning their religious belief system.  The indoctrination has been that pervasive.

Where we diverge is how to treat them.  No, you can't "convert" them to rational thinking. But by passively smiling and remaining silent, you validate their values, and strengthen them.  You appear to "have no argument" with their views, and thereby make them even more sure that their beliefs are valid.
You have effectively become part of the "Silent Majority"...and we know where being silent has got us over the past 50 years.

   Well, we probably come at it from different perspectives.  From my perspective, I don't care what they think, and I don't care tp try to debate them....unless they are literally asking for it, of course. I wouldn't try to convince a liberal the error of their ways any more than I would try to convince a Christian that they are foolish superstitions. (I don't know or care whether they are, just making a point. God is unprovable or disprovable...so what's the point?)

   I am not in any way a conservative, I'm a hard core libertarian....not the "soft core" types who self identify as a libertarian. I am what you would typically classify as anarcho-capitalist. My primary interest is in leaving people the fk alone, pretty much, except in self defense, physically or otherwise.

  I do sympathize much more with the right than I do the left, because the left are control freaks to the core....they want to enforce their own personal will, values, and ideas using coerciion and threats through law and the barrel of a gun. This is why socialist type nations have such a tendency to slaughtering their own citizens en masse....conform or die. What they cannot control, they fear.

  The right has similar tendencies, but to much less depth and severity, on the whole.

  But...neither the right nor the left are terribly interested in leaving people the fk alone...and this notion that there are two parties governing us is an illusion. They talk very differently. They emphasize social divide to give the appearance of different parties...but they govern in identical fashion. Are you concerned about the national debt? You think you should vote republican to be fiscally conservative? How many times are you going to fall for that one? You've fallen for it your whole life, haven't you? And you'll fall for it again in the next election.  There is no fiscally conservative or fiscally responsible party. No such thing.

  Nope...keep people's attention on gay wedding cakes and trans bathrooms....things that don't interfere with corporate government crony capitalism. Things that don't matter to the ruling class.

  Are you tired of getting involved in and paying for foreign wars in countries where the people hate you and you can never leave, whether it is a desert or a jungle we are watering with American blood? Who should you vote for, then? Answer: It doesn't matter. War is a business, it makes lots and lots of money for powerful corporations and banks, and all that is needed is a small expense in propaganda to soak the taxpayers some more. You just advertise about how the leader is an oppressive dictator, or how the country has weapons of mass destruction, or whatever to get the poll numbers up in favor of going to war. It makes no difference what country it is or where it is....you could generate war feaver for Wakanda in about 6 months of propaganda, and the fat cats in banking and bomb making get another Trillion or two in government contracts.

   I'm not even a big fan of the Libertarian Party, or dolts like Gary Johnson whom I swear mut be some kind of plot that libertarians purposely sabotage themselves by picking the worst nominees. I just don't understand it. On record, I am registered with the Massachusetts branch of The Pirate Party.

  It's all a big game. The path we are walking down in this country is neither new nor different than any other. It is a one way path, though, an inevitable, unstoppable path to bankruptcy and fascism disguised as socialism. It never ends well...that's not the question, the only question is how long until it ends...7 years....70 years? Who knows?

  If you think the word "fascism" means "right wing"...you're wrong. It is nothing more than government and corporate power uniting to rule. It is absolute state power. It;s a form of socialism. Even the "right vs left" political scale is an illusion. Tell me...which side of that scale represents little or no central government authority and maximum individual freedom and liberty? Is that on the extreme left, or the extreme right? Neither, right? The false choice presented to you is only about what sort of absolute government tyranny you prefer....the option that our Founding Fathers chose is not on that scale we commonly use and refer to...the option of "limited government and maximum personal liberty" is not given to you....you are presented with only "Do you want socialism or fascism". The jokes on you. Socialism and fascism are the same thing. It's the difference between a right foot boot or a left foot boot on your neck.

  What is the solution? Don't play the game. Get ready for the worst, hope for the best. Wait for it. Prepare for it. Hope it doesn't come in your lifetime.

Have I ranted enough, yet? :D

 

 
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General Discussion / Re: Sorry. Can't find the super secret place
« Last post by hayshaker on Today at 06:08:02 AM »
well gee i'm sure learning alot on this fourm.
so far i've found out what a tweeker is .
and what maga means. a twearker means
a miley cyrus type or the otherone from the super bowl
my buddy told me about.
as for political well my soapbox is in the shop.and then there's those other
issues i'm no longer able to speak of on the fourm lest i be banned,
well God bless america and the first amendment,
the truth is indeed a dangerous thing.
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General Discussion / Re: Sorry. Can't find the super secret place
« Last post by Moe M. on Today at 05:56:48 AM »
 I have high hopes that at some point in the future (the sooner the better) that science will find a cure for Liberal/progressive disorder,  better yet find the gene that causes it in some people and eliminate the illness completely like they did with Polio.
 I've gotten to the age where I've lost most of my taste for debate or worse, argument,  I'm just about at that point in my life that when a Liberal/progressive/socialist or a Big L Libertarian starts their ranting about capitalism, racism, bigotry,  the wealthy,  man's inequality to man, or how the government is run by corporations and enforces it's will on society at the point of a gun my initial thought is to look around for a piece of 2"x4", pipe, or a stray shovel to use to straighten out the crooked spot in their brain that's causing their distemper.
 But then logic kicks in (the realization that I could do prison time) and I try very very hard to control my basic human impulse to end the aggression, like you would with a giant biting horsefly or a wasp or a bothersome schitt fly,  my usual next response is to set my eyes to 'stern' and point my right index finger at their nose and say "Don't go there unless you want to be carried away by a couple of EMT's",  I've thrown my sister in law out of my house so often for uttering praise for BO that when she comes to visit my wife now she wears a "Save America" Trump campaign pin on her purse strap.


 Remember Hilary's motto, "it takes a village",  well mine is "It's going to take a Purge".   
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Gear Reviews / Re: Raging River Bushcraft Haversack
« Last post by ThoseWhoWander on Yesterday at 08:47:16 PM »
Thank you for taking the reading my post as it was meant. Seven days does make for a good intial time period for a review, so knowing that, your review  carries more weight with me. Not that i did not like it orginally. It would be interesting if you were to add your thoughts as times goes on. 

Thank you brother!  I appreciate the feedback.  You were 100% correct.  I will definitely update this thread.  Cheers brother!
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General Discussion / Re: Sorry. Can't find the super secret place
« Last post by wolfy on Yesterday at 04:15:32 PM »
Punty, see my reply (#11) on the first page. :cheers:
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General Discussion / Re: Sorry. Can't find the super secret place
« Last post by Old Philosopher on Yesterday at 03:55:46 PM »
Punty, I agree completely with your assessment of left-wing motivation.  People have three different belief systems:
1. Primary - their faith, their deep personal convictions that define them as a human being.
2. Secondary - Self-image. How they believe others see them. Secondary beliefs are fairly entrenched, based upon personal experience and interactions.
3. Tertiary - Superficial beliefs that are subject to change, like a preference in hand soap, or toothpaste.

With most Liberals, you are dealing with a Primary Belief (as you described), and suggesting that their political beliefs are ill-rooted is no different than questioning their religious belief system.  The indoctrination has been that pervasive.

Where we diverge is how to treat them.  No, you can't "convert" them to rational thinking. But by passively smiling and remaining silent, you validate their values, and strengthen them.  You appear to "have no argument" with their views, and thereby make them even more sure that their beliefs are valid.
You have effectively become part of the "Silent Majority"...and we know where being silent has got us over the past 50 years.
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General Discussion / Re: Sorry. Can't find the super secret place
« Last post by Punty on Yesterday at 12:43:58 PM »
  The first thing you need to understand, is that leftists derive their political views from emotion, and they self identify with their political beliefs. It is "who they are". It is how they measure whether they are a good person or not.

  That means that;

A) Debate, or even discussion, is not productive. To try to discuss their views, in their mind, you are like a psychologist trying to tell them that they're feelings aren't real. It's pointless.

B) Because they derive their self image from their political beliefs, any challenge to their beliefs is a personal attack. Your not challenging their beliefs, in their mind, you are insulting them. You are impugning who they are as a person. That makes you an evil. despicable, hateful person....and who wants to be friends with an evil, despicable, hateful person?

  Got that so far?   Here is the solution;

  Smile knowingly. Don't say anything at all. Just smile. If they ask a question or challenge you, and they will...because if they don't confirm that you are in agreement with them, in their mind you see them as a small, lesser, stupid person....and they're not going to like that, and their self defense mechanism will be to attack you personally and try to demean you, and call you stupid, and bigoted, or whatever...because in their mind, you've already done that to them...even if you never said anything.

  So...what good is "smiling knowingly".  Not much, in the short term. But, down the road when it gets brought up, you'll be able to say "I never said a word the whole time, I didn't say anything. I don't even know where all that came from." And then smile. Knowingly.

  That, my friend, is the ONLY moral high ground you will ever be granted by a leftist. That you never said anything at all. It was all them.

  Cheers. :cheers:
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General Discussion / Re: The Stranger in the Woods
« Last post by Spyder1958 on Yesterday at 09:21:00 AM »
Graylan,  we enjoyed following you on FB this summer.  Brought back good memories.


We had a little culture shock too pulling off I-75 in G-ville after a summer in the mountains.  The "Will work for food" people were literally running up and down the exit ramp to collect $$ from people.  A couple of tweekers had me holding my 9 mm in hand until the light changed.  One wasn't long for this world by her looks.  Sad.  I didn't hand out any money.

Hope you had a good time in NC as well Tony. We sure enjoyed our trip hanging out with the kids, doing nice day hikes, eating lunch along a trail or stream and the views were unreal. As soon as I can download all the photo's and trans to a host site I'll start a thread to share here.
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General Discussion / Re: The Stranger in the Woods
« Last post by madmax on Yesterday at 04:11:27 AM »
what's a tweeker? is that anything like a twerker/ don't know just curious

LOL.  I guess we can be thankful there were no twerkers on the off ramp.
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General Discussion / Re: The Stranger in the Woods
« Last post by Pete Bog on Yesterday at 12:50:08 AM »
what's a tweeker? is that anything like a twerker/ don't know just curious

Someone addicted to meth of other speed drugs. Usually exhibit obsessive compulsive behaviors. Poor teeth, sunken eyes, usually having a bad hair day is a way of life for them.

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