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General Discussion / Re: Archery Season coming up
« Last post by crashdive123 on September 14, 2020, 06:08:25 PM »
Good hunting.
General Discussion / Re: Western fires
« Last post by Alan R McDaniel Jr on September 14, 2020, 02:59:57 PM »
In areas of high fuel production, you can have mechanical/physical removal of fuel, prescribed burns or wildfires.  Choose your poison.

General Discussion / Re: Western fires
« Last post by boomer on September 14, 2020, 06:58:28 AM »
The little news item came from Boulder Colorado of all places.

Good article it adds some things well worth considering, thanks.

After witnessing the catastrophic results of an approved but ill advised "preventative burn" it's hard not to find fault with Forest Service policies over a very long time. How and why those policies came into being is another issue however necessary to consider.

The article also acknowledges the effects of climate change.  An oblique acknowledgement of the elephant in the room. When we begin acknowledging the direct relationship between long standing industrial policies and human contributions to climate change we'll have turned a corner that may well lead us in a a better direction.

That day is coming. Just hope it's sooner rather than (too) later.
General Discussion / Re: Western fires
« Last post by Pete Bog on September 14, 2020, 04:29:49 AM »
The article you mentioned is titled "CU Study: 97% Of Wildfires In 24-Year Span Started By Humans" .
97%! is astonishing. What is even more surprising is the paragraph that says, Quote

"?Our fire problem is not going away anytime soon,? said co-author Jennifer Balch, director of Earth Lab, a Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences Fellow. ?This provides greater justification that prescribed burns, where safe, can mitigate the risk and threat of future wildfires.?"

If I read that right, she is advocating for more fires to be started by humans in the form of prescribed burns, where safe.

We'll see how that works out. I can't even count how many "Prescribed burns" have gotten away from government agencies and turned into raging wildfires. USFWS, NPS, USFS, and the list goes on. The WMA (Wildlife Management Areas) administered by state agencies have not fared any better. The best we can hope for is responsible forestry management in the future by our government agencies. Their past performance has been questionable at best.

Earth Lab joined forces with CIRES to do their data number crunching. I wonder if they have looked at the data for prescribed burns gone awry. 

Do a Google search for "Prescribed burns gone wrong".  Holy Cow, what a list. So how does that happen? In the case of one US government agency, a prescribed burn is scheduled weeks in advance. Equipment and personnel are brought into place. Sometimes at great expense owing to the remote locations. When the day arrives, everything is in place and it's "SHOW TIME!"
   Wait, wait, wait, the wind is steady at 20 MPH and gusts to 30. Oh never mind, the calendar said we're to do it this day and so it shall be. After all we have gone to great effort and expense to assemble everyone here today.
   And so the fire is lit and within an hour, the fight is on. The fire is topped out on the slough grass and is running downwind at 20 miles an hour. Airborn cattail fluff is carrying burning embers ahead of the fireline and the great and all knowledgeable facility manager, the guy pulling down 6 figures a year because he's so well educated, wonders what happened. He calls for the wildfire management teams, but they are three states away and won't be on site for at least a day. Helicopters are mustered, but they won't be on site until tomorrow either. Meanwhile the fire burns through the night. Local fire departments try to save local homes, sometimes successfully, sometimes not.
    Blame for the fire? No where to be found. The calendar set a date for a prescribe burn and that is what they did. They just followed orders. Sue the government for your loss? You better get real cozy with the Federal Tort Claims Act. Good luck.
    The upshot of all this is, some pencil geek in some office at University of Colorado said more prescribed burns, if safe, would help reduce fire related losses. Reminds me of an old saying about government projects.
    You hire an engineer to design it, a draftsman to draw it up, a technician to measure it out with a micrometer and then mark it a piece of chalk. Lastly, you hire an an ape to cut it with an axe. And that's just about how a "safe" prescribed burn goes.
    How to get around this boondoggle? Hire people with courage to do the right thing. Give them the freedom and authority take responsibility for their decisions and then back them up. This would require a paradigm shift in the very culture of government service. Highly unlikely to ever happen. But, I'm just a cynical old man. What we have is not perfect, but it's better than many other parts of the world. 

General Discussion / Re: Archery Season coming up
« Last post by Sarge on September 13, 2020, 07:54:30 PM »
Heck yeah!
General Discussion / Re: Archery Season coming up
« Last post by wsdstan on September 13, 2020, 06:53:24 PM »
Thanks Mike, I got the Kephart and the belt knife ready to go but nobody comes close....... so far.
General Discussion / REI is now open in Gainesville
« Last post by Mannlicher on September 13, 2020, 04:11:27 PM »
Butler plaza, behind The Whole Foods on Archer Rd.

That is all.
General Discussion / Re: Finally back to playing with sharp things
« Last post by Sarge on September 13, 2020, 01:14:03 PM »
Thanks, guys. I'll see how they last. Have to keep a stack of 2x10's handy to replace the target boards and 2x10's ain't too handy to keep around. It's fun right now, though. Looking forward to a little milder temps. Since I finished them, about an hour before dark is all I can stand to be outside.
General Discussion / Re: every once in awhile, you get a good hand
« Last post by Sarge on September 13, 2020, 01:07:55 PM »
That's cool!

  All it takes is brains & fortitude.....that!s the part I have trouble with. :doh: :rolleyes:

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