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FARMLAND DISAPPEARING AT AN ALARMING RATE
« on: May 09, 2018, 06:01:44 PM »
I knew this was a bigger deal than we were being lead to believe.....

https://www.farmland.org/initiatives/farms-under-threat
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Re: FARMLAND DISAPPEARING AT AN ALARMING RATE
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2018, 08:40:33 PM »
No surprises in that report.  The population centers expand and the farmland, no matter how good or bad, becomes extremely valuable to the owner and they sell out.  The developers build houses and shopping for the growing population.  It has been going on since we landed at plymouth rock and it accelerates as the demand grows for places to live and places to shop and work. 

The remaining farmland, especially in the most productive areas, gets expensive just as farmland and the farmers who leverage and expand sometimes lose it all when there is a downturn of one sort or another. 

The only way to stop it is to have a loss of private property rights that would result in certain lands being unable to be developed.  Not an easy thing to swallow.  The AFT wants, after 8 pages of executive summary, the federal government to get involved.  This would mean tax dollars going to stop the working of the private enterprise system.  What they advocate is simply socialism where the government will decide who can do what, when, and how.
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Re: FARMLAND DISAPPEARING AT AN ALARMING RATE
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2018, 11:49:54 PM »
No surprises in that report.  The population centers expand and the farmland, no matter how good or bad, becomes extremely valuable to the owner and they sell out.  The developers build houses and shopping for the growing population.  It has been going on since we landed at plymouth rock and it accelerates as the demand grows for places to live and places to shop and work. 

The remaining farmland, especially in the most productive areas, gets expensive just as farmland and the farmers who leverage and expand sometimes lose it all when there is a downturn of one sort or another. 

The only way to stop it is to have a loss of private property rights that would result in certain lands being unable to be developed.  Not an easy thing to swallow.  The AFT wants, after 8 pages of executive summary, the federal government to get involved.  This would mean tax dollars going to stop the working of the private enterprise system.  What they advocate is simply socialism where the government will decide who can do what, when, and how.

I sure would like to see the country move back a little to more of an agrainian economy and away from a service ecomony. As the world economy keeps growing and the scarcity of resources of continues, and the government tries to correct the it with laws and its power how can we not become more and more socialist. Look how Japan has been controlling its resources for hundreds of years now; firm control over its limited natural resources, and so it did not turn into Easter lsland, a decimated, desolute chunk of rock unable to support a healty population.

Civilization started as the result of socailism and i think socialism is in the cards for the future. What worries me is when government has a say into how private capital is used only those involved with government and already wealthy individuals will get the spoils and the average guy will only become poorer and more under the thumb of big government and corporate America.
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Re: FARMLAND DISAPPEARING AT AN ALARMING RATE
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2018, 08:56:57 AM »
All social, political and economic concerns aside, it was amazing to me to see just how many food-producing acres are being lost to build more strip malls, parking lots, housing developments, airports, etc......with no end in sight! :coffee: :shrug:
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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2018, 09:18:41 AM »
I was a toddler when we moved to our first "gentleman's" ranch.  Dad had a small animal practice attached to the house and the place smelled like the horses out back in the paddocks.  It turned into a Kmart or something when we sold.  The next was a bigger place.  We had crops and a menagerie of livestock.  That became track homes when we sold and moved to FL.  Dad made me aware what we were losing with the land going to development very early.  So I just grew up a little sad seeing it happen.  Moving to FL didn't help.  We camp a few times at Kicco WMA a year.  Old FL cattle land.  We love that camp.  I remember driving to Orlando smelling the Orange blossoms.  It's developed now.
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Re: FARMLAND DISAPPEARING AT AN ALARMING RATE
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2018, 09:50:15 AM »
EXACTLY! :hail: :cheers:
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Re: FARMLAND DISAPPEARING AT AN ALARMING RATE
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2018, 11:26:35 AM »
Them new folks gotta live somewhere, work somewhere, and shop somewhere.  I guess it wasn't a surprise to me how much farm and ranch land gets used as I was in the construction and/or development business for my entire working career.
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Re: FARMLAND DISAPPEARING AT AN ALARMING RATE
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2018, 01:51:04 PM »
one solution anyway is draconian laws regarding immigration,
this is not so much to save farmland as it is to save our nation.
for too darn long our nation has been overrun with the castoffs of the third world.
Any nation ours included have only so many resources, period,

every year our nation is recipient of millions of people with little or no job skills
let alone the funds to get by on thier own. if socialism does'nt DIE america
sure as heck will.

just take a look at europe and see how well things are working for them right now,

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Re: FARMLAND DISAPPEARING AT AN ALARMING RATE
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2018, 04:32:23 PM »
Here are a couple of old factoids on the acreage that was planned on being taken over just for the initial building of our Interstate Highway System and good ol' NEBRASKA was the first state in the Union to complete that section of I-80.  The System has taken many more acres since its inception, but this was the start.

Almost 90 percent of the Interstate System will be in rural areas. Of the total mileage, about 80 percent is being built on new locations.

The Interstate System, when completed, will have required the acquisition of new right-of-way totaling nearly 1.5 MILLION acres and involving 750,000 parcels, more than the area of the State of Delaware.

Don't forget the airports which grow ever larger to accommodate the growing amount of commercial air travel..... https://panethos.wordpress.com/2013/01/15/americas-largest-commercial-airports-by-acreage/

And military air bases..... http://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-land-military-bases-take-up-in-each-state-2014-11
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Re: FARMLAND DISAPPEARING AT AN ALARMING RATE
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2018, 04:42:40 PM »
Nebraska, it ain't so bad.   :welcome:
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Re: FARMLAND DISAPPEARING AT AN ALARMING RATE
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2018, 04:51:04 PM »
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Re: FARMLAND DISAPPEARING AT AN ALARMING RATE
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2018, 07:09:43 PM »
No surprises in that report.  The population centers expand and the farmland, no matter how good or bad, becomes extremely valuable to the owner and they sell out.  The developers build houses and shopping for the growing population.  It has been going on since we landed at plymouth rock and it accelerates as the demand grows for places to live and places to shop and work. 

The remaining farmland, especially in the most productive areas, gets expensive just as farmland and the farmers who leverage and expand sometimes lose it all when there is a downturn of one sort or another.

Talk about expensive, on the outskirts of Waterloo/Cedar Falls, IA, there was a sign advertising land for $45,000.00 and acre. The area that it's advertised in is considered "farming" but everyone is building up around it.

John Deere is just to the south, but Wal-Mart, Menards, Target and a few strip malls are just to the west...

Seems like the city people are looking to get out of town, but then there is just another housing development going up.
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Re: FARMLAND DISAPPEARING AT AN ALARMING RATE
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2018, 05:20:23 PM »
the only constant in life, is change.  Like things or not,  there is little chance of slowing change.  If we have a 900 pound gorilla in the room problem, it's that we have too damn many people on the planet.  This will probably self correct at some point,

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« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2018, 06:51:20 PM »
the only constant in life, is change.  Like things or not,  there is little chance of slowing change.  If we have a 900 pound gorilla in the room problem, it's that we have too damn many people on the planet.  This will probably self correct at some point,

I would have to agree and could only hope.

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Re: FARMLAND DISAPPEARING AT AN ALARMING RATE
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2018, 07:49:56 AM »
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thanks to the compassion of idiots and the government, the natural selection problems as been taken away.

well put