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Offline Moe M.

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The Knife, the most important survival item 2.
« on: June 18, 2018, 08:26:06 AM »
  I've been reading over the original thread in this section and would like to put it to the test,  I'm not suggesting that any of us here put ourselves into a real survival situation, but the question of is a knife really that important to ones ability to survive being lost, injured, or other wise stranded in a wilderness environment, or not still continues to have merit.
  In order to avoid too many what if's,  lets be more specific and include any cutting tool that has a general cutting edge such as a fixed blade knife, folding knife, machete, hatchet, or axe,  and discount other types of woodsman's tools such as saws and spades.
  One of the types of trip report threads I find interesting are those by Mad Max and his band of Krack's when they do their knife and pot challenges, IMHO taking a long weekend event in the Florida bush carrying only minimal clothing, a cutting tool, and a bush pot is about as close to a wilderness survival test as one can get without actually being in a true survival situation.
  Personally, I'm getting too old for that kind of schitt, as much as I'd love to try it mentally, my body knows better,  when I get out to hike, fish, or hunt these days it's not too far from civilization, and even then I carry a well stocked day bag with me that insures my comfort and my safety.
  However, I do have a place that has woods, firewood, a pond that holds some decent sized fish, water clean enough to drink once boiled or filtered,  it has some pine trees with needles for making tea, and I've found some wild edibles such as dandelion, wild onion, and fiddle heads when in season, there's plenty of mushrooms as well but I don't trust my knowledge of shrooms enough to bet my life on it.
  So, I'm going to try spending one day in the woods carrying a minimum kit comprised of a small tin that holds some fishing line, a few hooks, a Bic lighter, a small hank of bank line, and I'll also have my 18 ounce REI SS mug with a lid with which to boil my drinking water and make pine needle tea, and that's it, no cutting tool at all.
  I'm not going to attempt to build a shelter though I will find an area in the woods that's open enough to make a temporary camp, safe enough for a small fire, and that has shade from the sun, my plan is to find a piece of Chert or agate that's hard enough and big enough to bust off a flake that can be used to make a knife and at the same time make note of any wild edibles that I run across for my meal later.
 Once I've establish a small camp, collected some firewood, and made a make shift knife, next on the agenda will be to find some bait along the edge of the pond to use for fishing,  I've done this before by stomping on the ground next to the water with my foot or with a piece of wood, doing this drives out small bugs in the mud where the bank meets the water, it's usually very productive and is usually killer on the fish.

 Anyhow, that's my plan,  whether it's successful or all goes to crap is anyone's guess, but I'll get it done towards the middle of the week and report back.
 I don't think there are too many of us here who do much woodsy stuff anymore, but I invite anyone here to join me in giving this a try,  it'll be interesting I think to see what those folks who do or don't think that a knife is one of the most important items in you survival kit.
 Depending on how successful I am at turning a rock and a stick into a useable knife I may try to make a few implements such as a pot hook, or a bark pot or cup, but only if I have the time and the right resources.


 Are there any others here up to the challenge ?
     

 
   
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Re: The Knife, the most important survival item 2.
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2018, 01:43:00 PM »
That sounds like fun!  I'll have to see what resources exist in my new home area around CDA once I get settled in.  Maybe I can try something like that.

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Re: The Knife, the most important survival item 2.
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2018, 04:55:00 PM »
Sounds cool Moe, glad your getting out and having fun. To damn hot here and work an life gets in the way. look forward to hearing your report.
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Re: The Knife, the most important survival item 2.
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2018, 08:47:53 PM »
good on ya moe, sounds like a fun time for sure,
btw; upstate ny is supposed to have some highly prized chert deposits,
i used to to flint knap a bit and make animal jaw knives,though i must say
having one of my bush craft knives i feel thek much better than the old school
novaulite blades.

Offline Moe M.

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Re: The Knife, the most important survival item 2.
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2018, 05:41:28 AM »
good on ya moe, sounds like a fun time for sure,
btw; upstate ny is supposed to have some highly prized chert deposits,
i used to to flint knap a bit and make animal jaw knives,though i must say
having one of my bush craft knives i feel thek much better than the old school
novaulite blades.

  Thanks, around here in south eastern Ma. river beds that have dried up are good places to look for hard stone, washed stone at the sea shore is also productive,  there are pockets of the whitish stone I call agate that spark very well and that also flakes well, great for making Hooka knives.
  All you do is break up a golf ball sized piece and get a flake that has a consistently sharp edge about 1-1/4" long or more, then find a green thumb sized stick about 6~7 inches long and split one end about a third of the way down, then insert the flake in the split so that the sharp edge is sticking out, use a piece of bank line, paracord, or what ever small dia. cordage you can come up with to bind up the split in the stick before and after where the stone sits,  it'll keep the stone in place and keep the stick from splitting out more. 
 It's surprising what you can do with those little knives, of course they aren't great at batoning, but they are great for processing game, cleaning fish, prepping food, cutting cordage, and light carving, even decent feather sticks and shavings.
 
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Re: The Knife, the most important survival item 2.
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2018, 05:53:52 AM »
Sounds cool Moe, glad your getting out and having fun. To damn hot here and work an life gets in the way. look forward to hearing your report.

  Thanks Spyder, the weather around my parts has been pretty good heat wise, it's been a wet season so far so the fire danger is low, but the woods are really thick and green, the biggest deterrent for me is the deer ticks, but I use Permethrin on my clothes and Ben's or other repellent on exposed skin, I also had a pair of waxed cotton gaiters made up with tie strings top and bottom that keep the little bastages from getting up under my pant legs from my boots,  so far so good.
  Life does have a way of getting in the way, but I've been retired for the last eight years and that's half the battle I no longer worry about, I know some people who complain about being bored and feeling useless after they retire,  in my case I only regret not doing it sooner.   
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Re: The Knife, the most important survival item 2.
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2018, 01:32:10 AM »
My retirement plan is "die at work" but if I do manage to retire I can't imagine being bored! There's so much I still want to do.  Kudos to you for getting out and getting it done!

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Re: The Knife, the most important survival item 2.
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2018, 04:18:49 AM »
My retirement plan is "die at work" but if I do manage to retire I can't imagine being bored! There's so much I still want to do.  Kudos to you for getting out and getting it done!

  LOL,  "Work" is a subjective word,  to most people work is a drudgery that one suffers in order to make enough money in order to be able to survive week to week and pay the bills,  a wise man once said "find something to do to make a living that you really like to do, and you'll never work another day in your life",  I believe that.
  When I was a kid I had several jobs that weren't a lot of fun, they were hot, sweaty, tiring jobs,  but when you're a kid and it's all that's available, you do it.
  Since those early days I've done quite a few things,  drove a fuel delivery truck, owned an autobody shop, a small novelty shop, I built a construction business that employed a dozen men, but as soon as they became boring I sold them and tried something different, I had a career in law enforcement, retired from that and went back to operating heavy equipment and driving construction dump trucks.
  I've been fortunate in my life to make a living doing what I enjoy,  as a rule the physical part of working didn't bother me and was most often enjoyable,  the part I didn't like about "work" is my time being owned by my employer five days a week for forty plus hours a week, that's what made the word "work" a four letter word for me.
  That first morning of my retirement when I climbed out of bed and realized that I didn't have to hurry to bath, make a lunch, and drive into "work", and then not have fight traffic in the afternoon commute is one I won't soon forget,  for the rest of my life my time would be mine.
 
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Re: The Knife, the most important survival item 2.
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2018, 12:31:29 PM »
My dad had a small construction company so I worked for him when I was a kid, like til I was 14.  Learned some stuff that's come in handy.  Most of my adult life I've worked as a chef and honestly there's nothing else I'd rather do.