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« on: January 18, 2020, 08:35:16 AM »
 
 Is anyone here following what's happening in Virginia, it doesn't seem like there's much interest here on B&B, it didn't use to be that way ?
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Re: Virginia
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2020, 08:41:06 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2020, 09:52:21 AM »
The latest I read was the Virginia SC upheld the gun ban for the rally at the Capital.  So no guns allowed at the rally and there were 6 arrests as of early this AM according to one report I saw.

Yesterday there was mention that the Senate bill dealing with the ban had been pulled but it was not good news.  The House bill is more draconian and the SB was pulled to concentrate on the HB. 
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Re: Virginia
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2020, 10:42:12 AM »

 Is anyone here following what's happening in Virginia, it doesn't seem like there's much interest here on B&B, it didn't use to be that way ?

Sure, I'm following it....I'm a news junkie. :coffee:     It never helps the cause when the Aryan Nations, Skinheads and Neo-Nazis become involved, either!   Stan mentioned all of the particulars he heard, so far.....that's about it for me, too.

Stuff like this is barely worth mentioning here anymore, as I think most of us are well aware of the constant barrage of anti-gun sentiment in most of the left-leaning national news networks.  Kind of a preaching to the choir situation.....but, it is still something we should all be aware of.  Almost none of this stuff ever crops up in our neck of the woods because we don't elect people to office that espouse this kind of nonsense!  It is ironic though, that Virginia, being one of the original colonies that lead the revolt against oppressive treatment by the British......is now welcoming it back. :welcome:  :doh:
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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2020, 06:28:57 AM »
I've been in the mountains camping for about a week.  No phone, no TV, no internet......it was wonderful.  On the long drive home yesterday, listening to various outlets on sat radio many of them sounded so disappointed that the tens of thousands of attendees were diverse, polite, respectful and peaceful.  They also seemed dismayed that they policed the area to ensure that no trash was left behind.

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Re: Virginia
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2020, 08:35:10 AM »
What else would expect from a conservatively-leaning crowd?  I was amused when viewing the aftermath of a save-the-planet group that had trashed the area around the Washington Monument in D.C.  The plastic bottles & discarded signs that they had been carrying were lying all over the area.....typical.  Guess who picked up all that crap and even placed it in the proper recycling bins?  You guessed it....the much larger group of counter-protesters! 8)   

Was that action picked up on and reported by the national network news media? :lol: :coffee:
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Re: Virginia
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2020, 06:45:19 PM »
All those guns, all those right wingers, ... and yet, not rampages, wild west shootouts, or blood in the streets...

Basically a bad news day for the MSNM...

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Re: Virginia
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2020, 09:42:05 PM »
That's a long ways from Montana, I think I'll let 'em sort it out themselves.

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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2020, 09:14:31 AM »
That's a long ways from Montana, I think I'll let 'em sort it out themselves.

I disagree,  Virginia is a testing ground for a national initiative to make an end run around the Constitution, it's no coincidence that Virginia flipped from red to blue, nor is it surprising that the democrat candidates were hand picked and fully funded by Mike Bloomberg and Geo, Soros, neither of which give a flying crap what happens to Virginia, but what they do care about is rendering the Second amendment moot.
States already affected by Bloomberg's and Soros's meddling into their politics that have had legislators replaced with anti Second amendment ringers are NY, CT, RI, NJ, CA, CO, and the list is growing, in Virginia's case one big reasons that the democrats swept the field from the governor on down to the state legislature is because of the poor turnout by conservatives at the last election, they were so confident about the status quo that they were blind sided by the highly organized lefts (under the help and funding of Bloomberg and Soros) tactics in getting the word and the vote out for the left,  Virginia was ripe for their agenda and they took full advantage of it.
What they have learned is a fact that has escaped a lot of people,  and that is that all of our Constitutional Rights end at our State Lines,  in Heller vs. DC the USSC ruled that the Second amendment Right belongs to The People, not the government, BUT, that local, county, and state governments have the right to make reasonable laws regulating and restricting the ownership and use of certain firearms if it's done in the interest of public safety, in essence over riding the Second amendment in every instance where the anti gun left comes into power on a local and state basis.
So, if you living in Montana believe that what happens in Virginia or any other state is none of your business, you are sadly mistaken, remember the old saw,  "when they came for my neighbors we said nothing,  when they came for us there was no one left to speak for us".                 
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Re: Virginia
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2020, 09:36:18 AM »
Also, Montana is far from immune to this type of thinking.  People from the far left coast are moving into the more heavily populated cities and counties in Montana at a record pace.  It's only a matter of time until the leftist Smurfs outnumber the red dudes.....it's already happening in many, if not all of the major and more influential voting districts. :-\
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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2020, 12:03:31 PM »
That is a fact.  Most of SW Montana, Bozeman, Missoula, Billings, and and Helena are gaining blue voters quickly.  This happened in Colorado several years ago.  The front range population from Ft. Collins to Pueblo calls all the shots for the whole state.  The conservative rural areas have no say in Colorado politics these days and Montana is not far behind. 

The leftists have targeted Texas and you will see a large influx of liberals into the State to try and flip it to blue. 

We are not fighting people who share the same vision for the US that we have.  We are fighting a group that wants a new world order, believes socialism or communism will bring what they call social justice to the US.  They follow Saul Alinsky to the letter.
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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2020, 09:20:43 PM »
What am I supposed to do about it?  I'm not even being facetious.  Sure, Soros is meddling just like Murdoch, welcome to Citizens United where we get the best government money can buy.  I already am a member of GOA. I can't afford to send some lobbyist in VA any money, and am not really inclined to anyway.  At some point don't they bear some responsibility for the folks they voted in?  I didn't wet their beds, they did.

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Re: Virginia
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2020, 05:26:18 AM »
i'm ashamed to say it but I have socialist in my family, it's a damm shame

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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2020, 08:13:10 AM »
What am I supposed to do about it?  I'm not even being facetious.  Sure, Soros is meddling just like Murdoch, welcome to Citizens United where we get the best government money can buy.  I already am a member of GOA. I can't afford to send some lobbyist in VA any money, and am not really inclined to anyway.  At some point don't they bear some responsibility for the folks they voted in?  I didn't wet their beds, they did.

 Nobody is expecting you to spend money you can't afford or don't want to contribute, nor do I expect you travel to Virginia to join in a rally,  my only point is that if you or anyone else cares about their Constitutional Rights or wants to keep their traditional American way of life alive they need to be aware of what those who would take away those rights and change that way of life is doing and take any action within their ability and the law allows to impede their progress.
 Our founders warned us that vigilance was the price of freedom,  apathy is a friend to tyrants,  all it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to sit on their hands thinking that what evil is doing clear across the country can't affect them.
 if you think taking a neutral position is best, or can't see the distinction between Geo. Soros and Rupert Murdoch, you need to choose a side,  or become better informed.   
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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2020, 04:16:01 PM »
     I think I can see a faint writing on the wall, and what it says is written by a younger, urban generation. The upshot will be rules and regulations effectively removing the 2A. It will fall to the oldest generation to defend it.
     After the 2011 Fukushima disaster, a group of self described over the hill engineers volunteered for radioactive material cleanup duties. Their contention was that by the time cancer caused by the radiation killed them, they would be dead of natural causes anyway. There's a certain logic to that line of thinking.
     If, and it's a big if, it comes to volunteering to relinquish firearms, 90% or more will comply. It's that last small percentage that will be a problem. The geriatric patriot will be their worst nightmare. After all, they're old, cranky, have lived a good life and have little to lose at this stage of the game and still believe in the constitution. 
   Age and treachery will beat youth and exuberance every time. Never mess with an old man, if he doesn't think he can take the beating, he will simply kill you. Cute little sayings suitable for a meme, but in the back of your mind, you know it's a little bit true.
     During the Revolutionary war, a group of old men were told to go home. They were too old to be in the battle they were told. With heads hanging low they started off. But on the way, they ran into an enemy resupply wagon and reinforcements. The old men hid and at the right time they ambushed the lot of them.  Denied food, ammunition and manpower resupply, the British were forced to retreat. I don't recall the particular engagement during which this occurred. Maybe a true history buff could fill that in.
     The state of Massachusetts has a state hero, Samuel Whittmore. His story is worth reading.
     All in all, I do not see a good outcome from this national debate. It could get real ugly with stroke of a pen.
     I have never felt that our upcoming state and national elections were as important as they are now. In the past it seems the issues were monetary or of political rhetoric. It's always been "It's time for a change!", but this time, and for the next few elections, it seems as if our very existence is at stake.
     I can just hear Larry the Cable Guy. "That's some scary stuff right there, I tell you what!"
     
     
 
     

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« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2020, 11:57:30 PM »
if you think taking a neutral position is best, or can't see the distinction between Geo. Soros and Rupert Murdoch, you need to choose a side,  or become better informed.

More accurately you need to decide which rights you want to wipe your butt with.  You really do need to choose a side and not cut off your nose to spit your face.  I urge you to dig deeper into it but I expect you don't care about any of the other amendments outside the 2nd nor the impact on anyone else.  But of course, when they come for the gays, the blacks, the women or the non-Christians you won't care because you're not gay, black, female or non-Christian.  The problem is someday they may come for you and there'll be no one left to stand with you.

I hope the can beat back the tide but I hope the rest of us can, too.  And not just with respect to guns.  Our liberty and safety is under several more urgent and imminent threats and few folks seem to know or care.

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« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2020, 01:24:00 AM »
if you think taking a neutral position is best, or can't see the distinction between Geo. Soros and Rupert Murdoch, you need to choose a side,  or become better informed.

More accurately you need to decide which rights you want to wipe your butt with.  You really do need to choose a side and not cut off your nose to spit your face.  I urge you to dig deeper into it but I expect you don't care about any of the other amendments outside the 2nd nor the impact on anyone else.  But of course, when they come for the gays, the blacks, the women or the non-Christians you won't care because you're not gay, black, female or non-Christian.  The problem is someday they may come for you and there'll be no one left to stand with you.

I hope the can beat back the tide but I hope the rest of us can, too.  And not just with respect to guns.  Our liberty and safety is under several more urgent and imminent threats and few folks seem to know or care.

Actually,  in my opinion all of the amendments and the Rights that they protect share the same importance, however,  since the Second amendment protects all of the rest it requires a certain priority over the rest,  it's also my opinion that all Americans are equal regardless of their color, ethnicity, gender, choice of bed partners, or religious beliefs,  social bias is a fact of life and is inherent in human nature,  it has always existed and likely always will.
I'm not going to get sucked into a debate about social injustice, it's a topic that has too many facets and too few remedies,  those who usually enter with a particular bias are not open to having their mind changed,  and those on the other side of the debate will usually follow the same course,  and I'm not very good at suffering the whims of ideological fools.     
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Re: Virginia
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2020, 06:46:39 AM »
Several things are in play these days.  First, and most important in the long run is the continuous migration of the people to cities.  This concentrates political power, and is always liberal.
Second is the very deliberate shift in tactics by the communists, er, the dhimmicrats, to  move the battle for gun control away from the national stage, to the State and local stage.  Huge amounts of money are pouring into the fight, and very professional organization and coordination of effort. 

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Re: Virginia
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2020, 01:01:35 PM »
  Our liberty and safety is under several more urgent and imminent threats and few folks seem to know or care.


Have you got your Kennekarte yet? Also known as Real ID. Did you like the digital facial recognition that was required to go with it?

"Ihre Papiere bitte" German to English translation: "Your papers please"
 Arizona's controversial law SB 1070, requiring people to carry identification was dubbed the "Papers, Please" law. That assessment has been scoffed at, but I don't think it's off the mark.

Video cameras and license plate readers for weather safety and traffic management. Um-hmm.

Little by little our rights are being chipped away at. It's easy to say, "Aw, it's not much, we'll let it slide."
But it's starting to add up to some pretty serious change.



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Re: Virginia
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2020, 12:46:36 AM »
Yeah, it's a Brave New World!  I'm not sure about RealID, might be a thing.  I need to get my MT DL this week or next, we'll see if it's a thing here.

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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2020, 10:10:57 AM »
In South Dakota you have to take a lot of information with you to renew a DL.  Birth Certificates obtained from county records and certified, invoices to you at at your address, and women have to have a certified marriage license showing change of name and, if divorced, a document showing the details of names. 

If you have all that and pass the test you get a license and on that license is a gold star denoting that you are who you said you were.  Very much like a Star of David arm patch. 

Licenses here are good for five years but I am told that future renewals don't require all the data if you have the gold star DL.

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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2020, 01:59:03 PM »
that's funny my DL has no star at all. guess i'm a bad slave.
i believe when my drinking probation ends i have to apply again for a new DL
mabey i'll get a star hmmm
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« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2020, 02:27:33 PM »
     I understand the need for drivers licenses and I understand how it came to be used for identification. You can cash checks, take out loans and other various reasons to prove you actually are the person you claim to be. In the past, you could present your drivers license or state issued ID card as needed and as you saw fit. But now, technology has progressed to the point where your ID is called up without your consent, as soon as you walk through the door, and there in lies the rub.
     Go to many public areas and you are ID'd just for your presence. I think that is intrusive. A few years ago, I attended a protest to some action by the US Army Corps of Engineers. As I drove into the parking lot, I and my license plate were photographed. Nothing I could do, it was a public area. It still rubbed me the wrong way. But the fact I was there, was recorded and stored somewhere, possibly for decades to come. Guess I'm just to sensitive. 
     If you've got nothing to hide or have done nothing wrong, what's the problem? Indeed.
     It all starts with ID. Who are you? Some people are extroverts and like the attention. Others think a little anonymity gives them a little security. They would like to be "the grey man" on occasion. And more importantly, they would like to choose when and where those occasions are.
     I can't help but think of those poor folk from the 1930's. Given the line "I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help!". (Part of the TVA New Deal) Eminent Domain was used extensively to take many peoples land for the construction of hydroelectric dams and its anticipated flooding. Some of the land acquired by eminent domain was not flooded, but it was not returned to the original owners. Instead, it given away to private developers. Friends, money under the table, you decide. It's been almost a hundred years, but lives and families were changed by those lies. Oh just trust the government you say? Some things never change.

     I'll post this, and a few excerpts, for your information.

https://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/real-id-act-text.pdf

Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Defense, the Global War
on Terror, and Tsunami Relief, 2005 (Enrolled as Agreed to or Passed by
Both House and Senate)
TITLE II--IMPROVED SECURITY FOR DRIVERS' LICENSES AND
PERSONAL IDENTIFICATION CARDS
Section 202
part b item 5:  A digital photograph of the person.
Part d item 3:  Subject each person applying for a driver's license or identification card to mandatory facial capture.
item 12:          Provide electronic access to all other States to information contained in the motor vehicle database of the State.

SEC 201

(5) STATE- The term `State' means a State of the United States, the
District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, American
Samoa, the Northern Mariana Islands, the Trust Territory of the Pacific
Islands, and any other territory or possession of the United States.

The last part means your ID has to be shared with almost everybody and his cousin. You are now an open book.
and if you don't comply, you can't fly as of October of this year. As time goes by I expect there will be additional restrictions put into place.
  :soap: :deadhorse:     How many people attending the Virginia Rally were ID'd? Probably not all, but I'd bet most.

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Re: Virginia
« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2020, 02:24:31 PM »
First we when dhimmicrats want to outlaw voter ID, and then we when .gov wants us to prove who we are.  Can?t have it both ways.  In this era of document fraud and identity theft, it is reasonable to have some way of verifying identity.  This is not 1820, or even 1920.......

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« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2020, 02:45:53 PM »
I am totally legal...until they try and take my God givin' rights.  I don't care if Cali, the west coast, MN, IL, and Va bows down to the socialists. I will not.

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« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2020, 03:35:08 PM »
First we when dhimmicrats want to outlaw voter ID, and then we when .gov wants us to prove who we are.  Can?t have it both ways.  In this era of document fraud and identity theft, it is reasonable to have some way of verifying identity.  This is not 1820, or even 1920.......

     Yup, I totally agree. But I would find it a little creepy to walk into a store and some total stranger says "Hi Pete! How can we help you today?"
     Now I have not had that happen to me yet, but I'm hearing some of the high end stores in some of the larger cities are using facial recognition to quote "Deliver a higher level of service"
      Been to a Walmart self checkout? Camera right in your face. Pay with credit card and your now ID'd and on file. For how long, 30 days? 30 years? They don't divulge that. So far they think my name is Andrew Jackson, I only pay with cash.
     I believe in ID, I really do. I've got the Real ID with the little gold star in the corner. I can prove who I am if need be. But I have a problem with video cameras and ID tied together everywhere I go. How about you? You OK with that?

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« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2020, 01:14:07 AM »
Yeah, we can't just have enhanced ID laws for brown people or folks with accents.  We have to be consistent to comply with the Constitution.

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« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2020, 02:19:06 AM »
Oofta Phaedrus, I never taught a' dat. Meybe dey gave me my gold star cuz of my Norwegian accent.  :lol:
I better tell Tina, she's been worried yust sick bout dat ting wit da marriage license ya know. We never knew a accent could be so handy!

Just kidding. I just have so much fun with the Norwegian accent. Contrary to popular belief, it's actually quite different than portrayed in the movie "Fargo". Books by Red Stangland  are much more true to life in the Norwegian communities of the far North. Curiously, that seems to be where they sell the best too! When you grow up there, you can't help but love it I guess.

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« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2020, 05:12:38 AM »
Yeah, we can't just have enhanced ID laws for brown people or folks with accents.  We have to be consistent to comply with the Constitution.

You seem to be the one that brought race into the discussion.  Not sure why other than to stir crap that nobody was talking about, unless it is your contention that people with a different political persuasion than yours are racist.  Either way.......don't do that.

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« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2020, 08:27:06 AM »
Facial recognition is likely used far more than we think and I believe there is a data base in some federal law enforcement computers that takes crowd scans and makes a list of who they recognize.  Useful for investigative purposes. 

I think our business institutions like banks and governmental offices have identity capture going on that would make George Orwell nod his head.

If you have been to a political rally, protest, or gathering of a particular group on the "watch them" list you are in a data base and most likely can be tied to all the functions you have been at.  Big Brother is watching (and so is everyone else).

Here is an interesting review:

https://readwrite.com/2017/07/02/done-the-impact-of-facial-recognition-dl1/


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Re: Virginia
« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2020, 12:55:38 PM »
I figure that if .gov does not know all about me by now, then someone did not do their due diligence

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Re: Virginia
« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2020, 03:17:58 AM »
If your worried about being tracked, you better not drive a vehicle with computer control, hid your face at all times. and the list goes on. Every time your vehicle travels your being tracked.
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« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2020, 11:28:05 AM »
Computer Control!!!   You have seen Sam's truck Graylon.
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« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2020, 12:32:33 AM »
Yeah, we can't just have enhanced ID laws for brown people or folks with accents.  We have to be consistent to comply with the Constitution.

You seem to be the one that brought race into the discussion.  Not sure why other than to stir crap that nobody was talking about, unless it is your contention that people with a different political persuasion than yours are racist.  Either way.......don't do that.

I could list a hundred other things but the point is that we must apply the law equally as far as is humanly possible.  Presumably everyone knows this doesn't happen in the real world but it's the aspiration.  That's certainly not "crap" IMO.

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« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2020, 06:48:19 AM »
Yeah, we can't just have enhanced ID laws for brown people or folks with accents.  We have to be consistent to comply with the Constitution.

You seem to be the one that brought race into the discussion.  Not sure why other than to stir crap that nobody was talking about, unless it is your contention that people with a different political persuasion than yours are racist.  Either way.......don't do that.

I could list a hundred other things but the point is that we must apply the law equally as far as is humanly possible.  Presumably everyone knows this doesn't happen in the real world but it's the aspiration.  That's certainly not "crap" IMO.

What you're suggesting is moral relativism,  the problem with that is that in order to work everything has to start out equal including the actors and the situations which of course is impossible, for example, minorities have wrongly complained for years that they are unfairly subjected to profiling by police and commercial security agents such as store security guards,  while they are right that general profiling exists for specific minorities, it certainly is not conducted unfairly, the fact is it's well earned.
Facts show that the US is home to many racial and ethnic minorities, but only a couple of them seem to be the target of profiling, and that has nothing to do with racism or bigotry,  and has everything to do with their conduct in society,  the sad thing is that there are many of those targeted minorities that are hard working law abiding members of society who are forced to be subjected to the same mistrust as those who are actually responsible for the bad behavior.
It would be nice if we as a society could have some way of telling the bad actors apart from those who respect the rules and the rights and property of others,  but unfortunately we can't,  one specific minority accounts for about 15% of our country's population, of those about 4% are the ones causing most of the problems that affect the 11% that don't deserve the mistrust.
The problem is not limited to the US, it's a global problem,  and it's not going to be fixed with good intentions, it'll only be fixed when those who steal from others, commit violence on others, and don't take responsibility for their own actions learn to respect the rights and property of others,  live within the law,  become a part of society instead of a plague on society.   
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Re: Virginia
« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2020, 12:44:37 PM »
A timely post Moe.  Antifa in NYC has declared war on the police and transit authorities.  They are complaining about the "brutalization  of black and brown skinned people by authorities."  They want free transit.  Amongst other BS demands.  They are not getting much support on Twitter.
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Re: Virginia
« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2020, 12:48:18 PM »
Very good post Moe. 

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« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2020, 07:00:19 AM »
A timely post Moe.  Antifa in NYC has declared war on the police and transit authorities.  They are complaining about the "brutalization  of black and brown skinned people by authorities."  They want free transit.  Amongst other BS demands.  They are not getting much support on Twitter.

 While I could be wrong Tony, I think the problem lays more with the governments in those states and cities than it does with the dupes that support their narratives, many of these anti law enforcement cities like NYC, Chicago, Detroit, DC., and Seattle actually encourage criminal behavior by rolling back the types of crimes that can be charged and prosecuted, by releasing criminals without securing bail that should never be let back on the streets until after a proper trial, and being much too quick to blame police officers for wrong doing just to try to escape litigation and to keep the minority votes coming.
 When I attended the LE academy I was taught that a police agency enforces the laws according to the will of the community and it's public officials,  the three main types of municipal policing are Low Profile, where officers don't wear standard uniforms, they wear suites, carry concealed, drive unmarked cars, and don't make a presents of themselves.
 The second is Order Maintenance, where officers patrol, occasionally enforce traffic laws, and answer routine calls, but don't go looking for trouble, and don't intimidate the citizenry in any way, then there's the third type called strict enforcement, they patrol actually looking for crimes being committed, they arrest and prosecute criminals, they take a pro active role in crime prevention, and they make their presents known while working with the community to make it safer,  and the public officials usually back their officers.
 Not to get too political, but this new leftist approach to governing and law enforcement appears to support civil anarchy over law enforcement and Fascism over democratic self rule and the Constitution, I don't know where it will lead us as a nation of free people, but I don't think the remedy is going to be pretty or peaceful.   
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Re: Virginia
« Reply #38 on: February 01, 2020, 10:02:26 AM »
Moe, thank you for your insightful and informative posts.