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« on: January 12, 2021, 12:59:56 PM »
Everybody has lost their minds.  Set some bank lines, plant some spuds, and grab some 20g shells.   We're bushy folks.  We'll survive.

...but cattail roots down here make me puke.  Dig some swamp cabbage.

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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2021, 01:52:45 PM »
I got cows to eat till somebody steals them.  Cattail roots taste bad out here too.
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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2021, 02:11:03 PM »
I remember cat tail roots in MN being edible.  Not great, but edible.  They are bad down here.

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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2021, 02:21:05 PM »
...so if I get the Wu Flung Doo and can't taste anything I could chow down on FL cat tails and lily pad roots to survive.

My glass is half full.

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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2021, 02:28:00 PM »
I found 600 ball, and 100 JSP .45 ACP the other day.  Ammo can buried in a closet under cold weather boots.   8)

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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2021, 02:39:13 PM »
Normally what happens in camp stays in camp.  But this is a survival food warning in the first person.
Pot and machete challenge.  I dove and dug mussels in the Oklawaha River.  Normally good fare.  BUT I left them on the bow of the canoe a bit too long.  Later that night I had an epic purging out of both ends.  Mussels live on the decay and excrement of the tenants of the river.

Hushnel takes great pleasure in reminding me of the night of the " sucking mussels."

And Sam.  I am proud to say I have a reasonable amount of ammo.  And a lot of it is stored by that AK47.  Good luck BATFE.

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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2021, 03:56:15 PM »
10/22 sighted in perfectly at 100 yards using a vortex crossfire II 2-12X40. I'll never need to hit anything further away than that. But I can. Well stocked. ready to watch the world crash.
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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2021, 09:37:26 PM »
...so if I get the Wu Flung Doo and can't taste anything I could chow down on FL cat tails and lily pad roots to survive.

My glass is half full.

 Order organic seeds on line and grow sprouts,  they grow pretty quick, taste great,  and pack more anti oxidants and nutrients than any garden salad,  grow them in a jar and they become portable.   :drool:    :thumbsup:
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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2021, 09:43:52 PM »
Everybody has lost their minds.  Set some bank lines, plant some spuds, and grab some 20g shells.   We're bushy folks.  We'll survive.

but cattail roots down here make me puke.  Dig some swamp cabbage.


 I'm beginning to think half of the country and most of the rest of the world has been possessed by some evil entity,  or I'll wake up tomorrow and realize that I was in a Twilight Zone dream.   
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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2021, 10:30:22 AM »
Me too Moe.
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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2021, 10:56:11 AM »
During my first overseas post in 1960s Germany it was always surprising to hear how many German folks not only weren't National Socialists but had been adamantly opposed (all the way through) to those who led them into the destruction of their country during WW2. The governator recently had something to say along those lines. 

Folks who are "surprised" at the recent insurrection and coup attempt in DC might be signing the same song. I don't know. There's a lot of things I don't know.

What I do know however, is that decades of hate radio and constant conspiracy nonsense, party before country and profit before all has not served us well. All the rage of those who wrongfully assign economic and social decline to anyone who disagrees with a very narrow and completely inaccurate reading of national history might be understandable if recent events are not as they are.

This week did not see the first modern coup attempt in our nation. The other attempt in the 1930s did not succeed either. Marine General Smedley Butler, a highly decorated commander and twice recipient of the Medal of Honor , after being solicited by the plotters wrote about it and openly testified before Congress. None were held to account.

It looks like we'll skate through again. The next time (and there will certainly be a next time unless we come together to insure there is not) we may not be as lucky.

Hope that never happens but if it does folks will be left with little else than the transparent denials so many Germans offered back in another day.







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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2021, 11:46:43 AM »
Well,  I was trying to post a thread that didn't delve into politics, came under the bushcraft category, and maybe even refocused some of our concerns to practical matters.

so much for that .  Thanks boomer.

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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2021, 12:37:28 PM »
After the ice melts on my favorite slough, I'm looking forward to a big steaming bowl of whipped cattail roots.....topped with gravy made from rendered deer tallow.  If I survive that, I think I can survive anything! :stir:
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« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2021, 01:11:30 PM »
When you whip those cattail roots do they scream a lot?



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« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2021, 01:29:32 PM »

   I don't care to much for the cattail root. But, I've only fixed it like boiled potatoes. And our cattails are in standing stagnant ponds, not along a flowing waterway.  So that may not be a fair assessment.
   The other end of the cattail though is a tasty treat. There is a small window of opportunity, only lasting a few days, when the female pollen appears on the top of the flower (the hot dog looking thing) as a green spike. Collect these (just the spike) in your hat and head for home.
   Drop them into a pot of well salted (maybe 2 tablespoon per 6 cups of water) boiling water. Cook on a low boil (Simmer) for a few minutes.
   When tender, Drain and serve with a helping of butter.
   It's impossible  to not make a comparison to corn on the cob.
   Remember to keep a close eye on your stand of cattails though. They will only be there for a few days in the early summer. As the pollen matures it turns to a powder. Still edible and can be added to flour or sprinkled over soups, but the best is when you cook it like corn on the cob.
   

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« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2021, 02:29:03 PM »
Pete,  I had a great uncle who could sniff out ripe cattail buds.  Really a treat.

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« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2021, 02:46:46 PM »
Getting back on track.

We keep supplies on hand for emergency use. These supplies are rotated into use and replenished periodically through out the year.
 
Included in the supplies are water (stored in a food grade 200 gallon plastic container surrounded by a metal frame), fuel (six 5 gallon gasoline containers and 4 diesel fuel containers), food (stored in pantries and freezers), medical supplies (a ninety day supply or more of prescription drugs plus normal first aid items), firewood and charcoal.  There are also some things like Coleman stoves and fuel (both white gas type and propane type), heaters, lanterns, and a charcoal smoker and a grill. 

There are things like fishing gear, meat processing items like saws, boning knives, and grinders.  It is needless to go through all the everyday items one keeps on hand in just the normal course of day to day living.  For instance we have a battery powered or ac/dc radio unit and listen to it on Sunday mornings when a Wyoming based western music and talk program is played.

We have had this kind of self sufficiency supply for a long time, perhaps a bit over twenty years.  When we lived in a big city we had some items but living on the farm, out of town a few miles, and in an area that does have some power outages, water main breaks, and wind it just makes sense to have a few things around to make problems non-issues.  I don't think of myself as a ''prepper'' in the sense that we are ready to live off grid and away from utilities and so forth but having the foundation that would allow to do that is not a bad thing. 

Bushcraft skills (as meager as mine are) would allow us to move into a tent and live pretty well in a shut down of power and other utilities.  We have a well and a five acre reservoir on our place.  Oh, lest I forget; we have a lot of cattails.  I might go down there in the early part of the summer.
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« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2021, 03:15:04 PM »
    I'm headed to the Alafia Rendezvous tomorrow.  Biggest pre-1840 event in the USA, so I'm told.  1400 to 1500 participants.  Might be a little less this year.  But the skills demonstrated there are so applicable to SHTF grid down things.  However, I am better at more primitive living.  So I really don't "suffer" and I come back reluctantly. 

    Kelly and I live "off the grid" a lot.  More now that she's retired.  I don't want to give up electricity and cell phones.  But I can.  It's nice to have options and skills practiced rather than read about.  It's nice to have had a dad that was a vet and time growing up on a farm.  Animal husbandry is much more than urban people realize.

     I've gotten soooo much helpful info from this forum.  I really do appreciate all your input. 

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« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2021, 03:36:39 PM »
We lost our internet today. Looked like it was going to be over 24 hours for the repair. I went through my camping folder. I didn't realize the number of PDF'S I've collected over the years. Just about anything I'd need to learn for SHTF world. I also have an amazing number of actual books on my shelf. I should really take the time to read them.
Many are boat building and sailng. A bunch on wild edibles and foraging. Lots of Hiking and Backpacking. Camping, survival, and preparedness. I was thinking of selling them but I might have to keep them!!


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« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2021, 03:57:28 PM »
Ewell Gibbons comes to mind when  I read your post xj. 

I also have a lot of books and a few of them are old staples in the camping and trekking world.  Brad Angiers book, How to Stay Alive in the Woods, is probably the first one I ever bought.  Kepharts book is also in there. 


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« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2021, 06:26:08 AM »
I have that book as well. How to stay alive in the woods. My school work took a back seat to that book. I did an Essay on the history of survival, using that book and American Survival Guide magazines for my sources. Yeah I barely passed. History was the lowest grade all through school. I gradiated doh, only took 14 years...
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« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2021, 10:20:31 AM »
Well,  I was trying to post a thread that didn't delve into politics, came under the bushcraft category, and maybe even refocused some of our concerns to practical matters.

so much for that .  Thanks boomer.


Not sure where to post this but since most of the usual suspects are here  . . .

First, I do not wish anyone harm or bad times. Not at all. But I do have some observations that may be relevant.

In the lead up to the 2016 election there was a constant stream of dismissal of anyone who did not fall in line with a few forum members who were self proclaimed elites here. There were a long discussions in defense of the superiority of "western culture" and claims of intellectual superiority based solely on melanin content. Immediately after the election results there was posted the jubilant "White men with guns have spoken." That pretty much summed up the prevailing attitude among the usual suspects at the time. You know who you are. You can't pretend you weren't or you didn't know.

After 4 years of constant lies, fomenting national division and promoting "racial" divisiveness  we're saddled with the predictable outcome of those attitudes. Attitudes that were recently exhibited in a lame failed coup attempt on the Congress and the very basis of our electoral process.

We are just beginning to see how these recent acts will play out. Likely we'll see the current president symbolically destroyed and an onslught of "new" draconoian measures passed as "necessary safeguards" Not so much because our democratically organized republic is sacrosanct but chaos is bad for business. Had the pandemic not appeared when it did we may have just continued sliding down the same slope. But things can happen. And they did.

To those who deny science, support the so called values of the current president or buy into the nonsense of conspiracy and supposed  superiority all I will say is while you may not be held to account for the harm done the nation your actions are known and will not be forgotten. You will have to live with what you have supported all these years and denial cannot shield each from the truth held deep inside..

It will take generations to repair the damge to our society, if indeed we can. I don't know how things will work out or if they will. What I do know today however, is that "White men with guns" may have spoken but the message was undeniably toxic to our nation and I hope youre influence is over.

People can fgrow and change. In the meantime I will bear witness.




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« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2021, 07:10:47 AM »
  Boomer, you and the few others here of your stripe have been on my ignore list for quite some time now with the above post being a good example of why,  my first thought was to call a huge Bull $chitt on your last post,  but after a few moments of pondering your words I came to an understanding,  you actually are not lying,  you really believe what you wrote as misguided as it is.
  It would be a total waste of my time to try once more to point out the errors in your thinking,  however I will concede that there are a couple of your points that are accurate and true,  the first is that the shame is ours,  that we didn't heed the advice of the Founders that we must be ever vigilant and proactive in defending our freedoms and Constitutional protections lest we loose them to the type of evil, corruption, and deceit that have invaded the highest places in our government,  to those who have sold out not only this country but across the globe,  the other truth that you have said is that it is our shame to live with, and I'm sure that we will suffer that shame in the worst ways possible for our precious land.
  Perhaps those of us who haven't been brainwashed by Academia and the corrupt socialist lame stream media along with the misguided who believed the lies they were fed by the rabid haters in the world will find our resolve to once again rid this country of the vermin who have stolen it, maybe when we have endured enough shame,  enough suffering,  and enough economic loss, and loss of our most precious freedoms will we find the means to correct our foolishness.       

 You need not reply as you are back on my ignore list,  this post was not for your benefit anyways,  it was meant for those of our member who truly love this country.

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« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2021, 10:46:23 AM »
". . . maybe when we have endured enough shame,  enough suffering,  and enough economic loss, and loss of our most precious freedoms will we find the means to correct our foolishness."

I certainly hope so. Nothing would please me more. Unfortunately, finding those means will require fact and not broad based specious generalities.

" . . .this post was not for your benefit anyways,  it was meant for those of our member who truly love this country."

Directed at a citizen who volunteered for military service, led men in combat, fought beside them, bled with them and still carries the scars seems a tad hypocritical. Of course we have seen this attitude before from those who never wore the uniform (Marion Morrison, aka John Wayne) and those who wore the uniform but never came anywhere a combat area (Ronald Reagan, Clint Eastwood). I'll leave it to social science and mental health folks to explain the hows and whys of that but we just called it "combat envy". Stephen Crane lined it out in The Red Badge Of Courage and Shakespeare had something to say about it too among others. Looks like it's still easily found.

Maybe it is the belief of some assuming the right (?) to determine who does or does not "truly love this country" that contributes to our current predicament. Might be wise to let that nonsense go for starters.

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« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2021, 03:58:23 PM »
". . . maybe when we have endured enough shame,  enough suffering,  and enough economic loss, and loss of our most precious freedoms will we find the means to correct our foolishness."

I certainly hope so. Nothing would please me more. Unfortunately, finding those means will require fact and not broad based specious generalities.

" . . .this post was not for your benefit anyways,  it was meant for those of our member who truly love this country."

Directed at a citizen who volunteered for military service, led men in combat, fought beside them, bled with them and still carries the scars seems a tad hypocritical. Of course we have seen this attitude before from those who never wore the uniform (Marion Morrison, aka John Wayne) and those who wore the uniform but never came anywhere a combat area (Ronald Reagan, Clint Eastwood). I'll leave it to social science and mental health folks to explain the hows and whys of that but we just called it "combat envy". Stephen Crane lined it out in The Red Badge Of Courage and Shakespeare had something to say about it too among others. Looks like it's still easily found.

Maybe it is the belief of some assuming the right (?) to determine who does or does not "truly love this country" that contributes to our current predicament. Might be wise to let that nonsense go for starters.

Best wishes to you and yours for health and happiness during our interesting times.


  Funny that you only point to conservatives to attack,  if you had done your homework you'd have found that Clint Eastwood was 12 yrs. old in 1942,  even with parental permisson he couldn't have gotten in.
  Ronald Reagan tried four times to enlist for combat duty and was rejected because of a vision problem,  he did however serve  the war effort and achieved rank by making training films for the military.
  Marion Morison (AKA John Wayne) also tried to enlist in the three branches of the military,  he was rejected because he was 34 years old, married, and had four children when the US got into the war,  but, he also found a way to help the cause by making training films and war movies to instill pride for the military and encourage the war effort, he also was a primary in pushing war bonds,  and he nearly matched Bob Hope in making appearances and shows for our fighting men in uniform especially in combat zones.
  You probably wouldn't look so bias if you also mentioned liberal news worthy names who went into hiding or ran to Canada to avoid having to serve,  It's not all that hard to find a few,  start with Jane Fonda,  that's an easy one. 
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« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2021, 04:34:01 PM »
I'm really liking you Moe M.

I can't believe that Biden is already talking about a 1.9 trillion dollar package to help small business and economy stimulus. There is no money. How do they keep writing checks? Maybe they shouldn't have given billions to other countries. You know, for "Gender Research" in Pakistan......
I can only hope I die before retiring. Not much chance of seeing any social security, and I don't have big savings anymore because I took 6 months off work and used most of it for the bills.  I didn't jump on the covid unemployment bandwagon....
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« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2021, 05:15:46 PM »


  Funny that you only point to conservatives to attack,  if you had done your homework you'd have found that Clint Eastwood was 12 yrs. old in 1942,  even with parental permisson he couldn't have gotten in.
  Ronald Reagan tried four times to enlist for combat duty and was rejected because of a vision problem,  he did however serve  the war effort and achieved rank by making training films for the military.
  Marion Morison (AKA John Wayne) also tried to enlist in the three branches of the military,  he was rejected because he was 34 years old, married, and had four children when the US got into the war,  but, he also found a way to help the cause by making training films and war movies to instill pride for the military and encourage the war effort, he also was a primary in pushing war bonds,  and he nearly matched Bob Hope in making appearances and shows for our fighting men in uniform especially in combat zones.
  You probably wouldn't look so bias if you also mentioned liberal news worthy names who went into hiding or ran to Canada to avoid having to serve,  It's not all that hard to find a few,  start with Jane Fonda,  that's an easy one.
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« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2021, 06:18:43 PM »
Since Tony has left for rendezvous and can't post in his own thread, I'm wondering if there is any hope for love of cattail root cuisine on either side of the political fence.....just curious? :shrug:
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« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2021, 06:20:19 PM »
Thank you for the response Moe.

Although I must admit I'm not sure what to think about it since you objected to statements I did not make and points I did not raise. Some of it is well, I don't know.


"You probably wouldn't look so bias if you also mentioned liberal news worthy names who went into hiding or ran to Canada to avoid having to serve,  It's not all that hard to find a few,  start with Jane Fonda,  that's an easy one."

Now, that statement is especially puzzling and while I may have a general idea about the point you're going for I don't want to  make assumptions. Is it correct to say you are referring to the VN era? If so at that time women were not subject to conscription, there were no combat assignments for female volunteers in the armed services, Jane Fonda never joined the service and never "fled to Canada". Perhaps I'm mistaken in trying to decipher your point but that statement seems a non sequitur.

You are correct however, in citing Marion Morrison's contributions to bolstering troop morale - at least for a while. Those came to an untimely (?) end when appearing in a USO show in theatrical "cowboy" attire he was booed off the stage by combat troops convalescing from wounds sustained during combat actions in the Pacific Theater during WW2.  Maybe that was a bit unfair since he was only an actor but troops at the time seemed to take offense. Just a fact. No opinion offered.


There have been many citizens in our history who have served in the Armed Forces and many who have not either by condition or choice. That's the way we used to do it when we conscritpted from the general population. Some have been conservative, some liberal, some religious, some not and just about any other way folks can be catagorized. Some served with distinction, some put in their time and some never made it home. For all of them I respect, accept and grieve as warranted.








 
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« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2021, 06:26:19 PM »
I still don't know what all this has to do with cattail preparation as an emergency food item. :coffee: :shrug:
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« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2021, 06:43:39 PM »
I don't know Wolfy, inquiring minds want to know...

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« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2021, 06:46:18 PM »
The absolute best way to prepare cattail is to let the marsh rabbit eat them first, then eat the marsh rabbit.....

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« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2021, 06:48:13 PM »
FINALLY, we're getting somewhere! :cheers:
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« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2021, 06:52:42 PM »
I am waiting until Spring to try the other end of the cattails.  The roots already have a bad reputation.

When talking about emergency food we all should look into beans.  Lots of protein and can be grown in areas with good subsurface moisture if there is no ability to irrigate. 
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« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2021, 06:54:39 PM »
They do stink a bit when cooked but as long as the glands are removed it's good meat. For gosh sake they are a herbivore...

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« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2021, 06:57:04 PM »
for sure there is a spring muskrat season, whoops I meant marsh rabbit. I like the shoots from springtime cattails, I think some call it cossack asparagus. Then there's the pollen and those itty bitty corn cob looking things.

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« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2021, 07:01:19 PM »
If they are edible and store for long periods I have enough food for a lifetime.  I used to have a copy of an old menu from a hotel restaurant in some eastern city.  The menu had marsh rabbit on it.  I looked it up and have not trusted menus since.
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« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2021, 07:08:09 PM »
I recall George Leonard Herter mentioned cattail pollen as a substitute or extender for regular wheat flour in one of his masterfully written cookbooks. :lol:    It sounded like a viable use for part of the plant at a time of the year when some of the other parts of the plant were not edible.......so, I did a google search and found this....


https://www.farmersalmanac.com/cooking-wild-edible-cattails-25374
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« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2021, 07:21:26 PM »
Jeez, even cattails have a warning label.  "don't eat them if they are in water that is not clean or has pesticides in it".  Duh, does cow poop count?  The reservoir is a water source for cattle, wild animals, and anything that drinks water but doesn't have a spigot in their house. 
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« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2021, 07:29:44 PM »
I thoroughly believe that most of those dire warnings are perpetrated by overly concerned 'city folk.' :rolleyes:
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« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2021, 07:58:20 PM »
I was thinking Max may want to cycle his cat tails through a nutria....

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« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2021, 08:05:11 PM »
Yeah, that would probably alleviate all the fears people have by 'nutrialising' the toxins. :shrug:
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« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2021, 08:20:03 PM »
eggzackly.....

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« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2021, 02:18:40 AM »
     I'm concerned about the pesticide runoff into the ponds too. So I take my clues from the frog population. If there is plenty of evening croaking going on to indicate a robust and healthy frog population in the pond, I'll give it an OK to use grade. If there are very few or no frogs, I stay away.
     We have a railroad track on the section of land I live on. (a section is one mile by one mile and contains 640 acres.) Through coincidence and circumstance, the South side is actively farmed with much fertilizer, herbicides and pesticides. The North side is partially WMA (Federal Wildlife Management Area) and partially enrolled in a CRP program. This is Conservation Reserve Program and the landowner is paid a small fee to let the land grow up in grasses, providing habitat for wildlife. On occasion, the fields can be cut for hay. But only after the normal nesting season is over. In the past 30 years, the land North of the railroad tracks has had no chemicals applied and the Frog population is great. On the South side, frogs are scarce or nonexistent.
    I'll eat things from the North side of the tracks, but the South side ponds are only suitable for Ice Racing practice and sail boating in my opinion. I can't even take my dog down there in the summer because the green algae (poisonous) starts early. I suspect from the nutrients in the runoff fertilizer contributes to that.

     One of the things that took up residence in the North pond, a few years back, was a family of beaver. They started helping themselves to the trees protecting the farmstead from the winter storms. They had to go. Long story short, I had heard that beaver tail was a very tasty treat. So, I cut off the tail, impaled it on a stick and roasted it over a campfire. The hide was supposed to puff up like popcorn and make it easy to skin. It did and worked great. Once the hide was off the tail, what I found was a tailbone running down the center, a few (very few) blood vessels and the rest was pure unadulterated fat. Translucent, not like hog fat or beef tallow. That took me by surprise. I thought I'd find some muscle in there that would fry up real nice, but no. Just fat.
    Now if times were tough and energy was needed, I'd fry that up, render it out and eat the cracklins. But I wasn't that cold or hungry or adventurous. The dog and cats thought it was pretty tasty though. In hindsight, I should have tried a little Morton's Sugar Cure and tried to salt cure it like bacon.
    As a side note, a couple years later, beaver moved into a different pond and started on the trees over there. I had been given some "Dave's Insanity Hot Sauce" as a gift, but it was way above my spicy hot tolerance. So I sprinkled it on the bark of the trees in jeopardy.  End of the beaver problem. They packed up and left the next night and have never been back. Hope that tidbit of information helps someone with a beaver problem one day.

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Re: Jeez.
« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2021, 07:57:09 AM »
Before all the Bass were killed off in my reservoir when it flooded full of silt a year and half ago you seldom saw a frog.  They don't do well in Bass ponds.  We have toads though.
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« Reply #45 on: January 16, 2021, 11:32:23 AM »
The slough I was referring to in an earlier post is a reopened oxbow of the Missouri River near Ponca State Park.....part of a project to restore habitat for the endangered pallid sturgeon, piping plover & least tern.  Lots of frogs in that area, too.  I have heard reports of high mercury contamination in some fish species that reside in several small farm ponds, so I don't normally fish in them, but Sioux City and Omaha both get their drinking water from the Missouri.....after treatment, of course.
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Re: Jeez.
« Reply #46 on: January 18, 2021, 06:47:38 AM »
I have a severe case of fatigue with regards to liberal pontification, social bullying and left wing righteousness. 

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« Reply #47 on: January 18, 2021, 11:29:11 AM »
I remember cat tail roots in MN being edible.  Not great, but edible.  They are bad down here.
Cattail roots suck. Can make a starchy powder from them to extend wheat flour or potatoes. That's about it.

However, the lateral shoots and pollen are much tastier, more nutritious and require a lot less prep.
Best of all, the "heart of palm" in the center of the stalks is delicious.

Check out Sam Thayer's three books. Radically improved my foraging.

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Re: Jeez.
« Reply #48 on: January 18, 2021, 11:42:52 AM »
The absolute best way to prepare cattail is to let the marsh rabbit eat them first, then eat the marsh rabbit.....
 
RandyT in for the win!!!

Haven't tried the "corn on the cob" of the immature female portion of the flowering stem yet. Read about it in Thayer's book years ago. Will move that up the list of things to try this year. Thanks Pete Bog!