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« on: March 17, 2021, 01:53:53 PM »
I filled the SUV last Thursday and gas was $2.69 a gallon for 87 octane 10% ethanol.  I took the truck in today and the gas cost me $2.99 a gallon.  Sheesh!
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Re: Fuel prices
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2021, 01:57:26 PM »
gas up almost a dollar per gallon here since the first of the year.  No end in sight for the increases.  Joe Biden voters are to blame.

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« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2021, 02:37:30 PM »
Keep your vehicles fueled up boys.  It ain't gonna get better soon.

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« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2021, 03:08:22 PM »
I've noticed prices have been inching up around here, too.  Just in time to begin filling the tank on the bike with 91 octane every other day. :-\    I don't know what that stuff costs, but Heather filled up the car at Sam's Club in Sioux City with 87 octane 10% ethanol for $2.50/gallon, yesterday.
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Re: Fuel prices
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2021, 03:22:59 PM »
91 Octane is $3.549 today.  I don't think it is up as much as the ethanol gas....... yet.   
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Re: Fuel prices
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2021, 07:03:58 PM »
When you disrupt the supply this is the expected outcome.

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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2021, 07:37:17 PM »
Joe Biden voters???  oh right ...

This is the expected out come when DEMAND is inhibited. Unlike toilet paper there?s always been plenty of petrol but folks weren?t buying much because well, we couldn?t go many places 

Now things are opening up (we?ll see how that goes; well I hope),  the weathers warming up in some places and the prices play catch up so the quarterlies look good. Its not like there?s any alternative is there? So folks will just complain and pay anyway.

The likely worst outcome will be if we just return to business as usual. Which were pretty sure to do.

So it goes

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« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2021, 08:41:01 PM »
So.....how are we supposed to react?   Gas prices are not going to inhibit my traveling or buying habits, by any means.  The oil hasn't been changed in my pickup for two years....less than 2000 miles on this change, compared to the 12,000-15,000 miles I put on it before the 'Year of the Covid Virus.'   The motorcycles, on the other hand, get there oil changed on a schedule based on mileage.  Means nothing to me....oil is a commodity, just like corn, soybeans, gold, etc.  Prices fluctuate according to demand.  I will continue to ride with wild abandon, no matter the cost of petrol! :coffee:
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« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2021, 05:43:56 AM »
So.....how are we supposed to react?   Gas prices are not going to inhibit my traveling or buying habits, by any means.  The oil hasn't been changed in my pickup for two years....less than 2000 miles on this change, compared to the 12,000-15,000 miles I put on it before the 'Year of the Covid Virus.'   The motorcycles, on the other hand, get there oil changed on a schedule based on mileage.  Means nothing to me....oil is a commodity, just like corn, soybeans, gold, etc.  Prices fluctuate according to demand.  I will continue to ride with wild abandon, no matter the cost of petrol! :coffee:

 Attaboy, Craig, we might just as well pay the higher prices for gas and home heating fuel, of course if we hadn't lost the pipeline or future fracking opportunities, and if we didn't have to pay the enormous subsidies for pushing this ridiculous Green Energy agenda that is only going to benefit the chi-com Chinese and other American hater countries across the globe (is it any wonder the election was so easily stolen), not to mention all the jobs lost and about to be lost in the oil and coal industries in this country.
 We were doing so good under the last administration, again, is it any wonder why everything that's happened to us as a people and as a country has only served to benefit the Chinese and their cohorts (the Pandemic,  the riots and civil unrest, the political push toward communism, a stolen election,  and now a push to reform the political system, pack the USSC, and federalize the election process that will insure that the socialist will be in power until hell freezes over), it's the Perfect Storm, a Perfect set of coincidences wouldn't you say ?
 This is just the beginning of this cancer,  mark my words, just the beginning.

 Sorry for the rant my friends, it just got the best of me.   :shrug:
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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2021, 06:30:08 AM »
I'm glad I'm a senior and financially secure (for now).  I'm close to one of Kelly's nephews.  He has given up on marriage, a house, and ever paying off his student loans.  With a 4 year degree he works pretty much menial jobs to get by.  He switched to conservative a couple of years ago.  Too late little brother.  The "damnage" is done.

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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2021, 07:11:45 AM »
Attaboy, Craig, we might just as well pay the higher prices for gas and home heating fuel, of course if we hadn't lost the pipeline or future fracking opportunities, and if we didn't have to pay the enormous subsidies for pushing this ridiculous Green Energy agenda that is only going to benefit the chi-com Chinese and other American hater countries across the globe (is it any wonder the election was so easily stolen), not to mention all the jobs lost and about to be lost in the oil and coal industries in this country.
 We were doing so good under the last administration, again, is it any wonder why everything that's happened to us as a people and as a country has only served to benefit the Chinese and their cohorts (the Pandemic,  the riots and civil unrest, the political push toward communism, a stolen election,  and now a push to reform the political system, pack the USSC, and federalize the election process that will insure that the socialist will be in power until hell freezes over), it's the Perfect Storm, a Perfect set of coincidences wouldn't you say ?
 This is just the beginning of this cancer,  mark my words, just the beginning.

 Sorry for the rant my friends, it just got the best of me.   :shrug:


If that?s intended as satire it?s successful for sure. Well done.

In the mid 19th century whale oil was supplanted by petroleum. Late 19th century big public and municipal problem was road apples. My grand father complained hunting and fishing was not as good as previously in the mid 20th century and Francis Parkman in ?Along the Oregon Trail? tells of a single elk herd along the front range of 500 head. The great herds of bison were famous at the time as well. So it goes.

Things change. Some will suffer and some will reap the benefits. Just like always.
We?re seeing a technological shift today. The off grid cabin I?m working on use some technology I imagined even in the funny papers of my youth. Some. There?s still old school stuff too. Kind of like my favorite fixed blade in S30V carried in a leather sheath 

I?ll still keep my knees in the breeze with petro for now but things are changing. They always do.

Some folks don?t like it, some do and some pick and choose. No news in that either.

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« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2021, 07:23:13 AM »
I'm glad I'm a senior and financially secure (for now).  I'm close to one of Kelly's nephews.  He has given up on marriage, a house, and ever paying off his student loans.  With a 4 year degree he works pretty much menial jobs to get by.  He switched to conservative a couple of years ago.  Too late little brother.  The "damnage" is done.

Good observation but not quite correct in asigning blame.

The land grant support for public education, begin in 1861, significantly enhanced by the post WW2 Gi bill provided educational opportunities for a lot of folks. Including me.

I had less than $400 education related debt in the early 1970s at completion of studies.  That entire system was changed by ?conservative? policies starting with Reagan. First as Governor in California then on overdrive as President.

This is simply a matter of historical fact not opinion.  In reality it has little to do with political party though. But that?s another topic altogether

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Re: Fuel prices
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2021, 08:07:42 AM »
So.....how are we supposed to react?   Gas prices are not going to inhibit my traveling or buying habits, by any means.  The oil hasn't been changed in my pickup for two years....less than 2000 miles on this change, compared to the 12,000-15,000 miles I put on it before the 'Year of the Covid Virus.'   The motorcycles, on the other hand, get there oil changed on a schedule based on mileage.  Means nothing to me....oil is a commodity, just like corn, soybeans, gold, etc.  Prices fluctuate according to demand.  I will continue to ride with wild abandon, no matter the cost of petrol! :coffee:

Ride with wild abandon huh?
So all I could picture was Ann Margret with legs spread on a bike with her hair flying/
Guess I'm hopelessly elderly.

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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2021, 10:58:04 AM »
Nah Tony, you're a romantic.
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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2021, 11:20:10 AM »
Nah Tony, you're a romantic.

A romantic with a VIVID imagination! :lol:
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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2021, 01:44:54 PM »
And yet you two knew exactly the pic I was talking about...

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« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2021, 02:02:06 PM »
Haha.  Busted.  I was looking at the picture the other day on a motorcycle forum and remembered that she was injured or scraped up pretty good on a bike several years back.  I also read that she fell off of a scaffold before a show about five weeks ago. 
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« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2021, 02:33:16 PM »
A picture is worth a thousand words! :drool:

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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2021, 03:39:43 PM »
Badass my ass she is a goodass. 
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« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2021, 04:09:58 PM »
One of the few that can invoke carnal thoughts long after the normal expiration date.

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« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2021, 04:14:28 PM »
I don't know why but ZZ Top's "Slip inside my Sleeping Bag" keeps playing in my head.

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« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2021, 07:09:29 PM »
I've never really been a fan of redheads, but ever since I was a kid, Maureen O'Hara and Ann Margaret always tripped my trigger.  Even as she ages, I think Ann Margaret is still hotter'en a two-peckered billy goat!  :hail:

Getting back to fuel prices, we were up in Vermillion, South Dakota this afternoon, so we pulled up to the pumps where I usually buy 91 octane, zero-ethanol fuel for the bikes....as of today, it was $3.129/gallon.  I think I was paying more than that last year, but it's still early in the season and I expect prices to escalate as the travel season goes into full swing. :coffee:
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« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2021, 06:41:34 AM »
We took the Subaru and the '03 F250 to the last camp.  It was a wake up call about the cost of gas and gas mileage in a side by side run.  I personally don't want a great gas miser girly engine to save money.  I want a V8.  But Kelly keeps trying to squeeze too many warm bodies into smaller and smaller vehicles.  Fortunately I think she hit the tipping point (Thanks Tellico) and is getting a larger 4wd truck next time.  4Runner? 

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« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2021, 09:10:44 PM »
Wolfy we are at $3.549 for 91 still today.  I rode the ST 1200 around for a bit without a friggin jacket and didn't get cold until I went over the speed limit. 
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« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2021, 10:21:44 PM »
Come on down to NEBRASKA, Stan.  It's not too bad.....as far as gas prices go. :shrug:

We went down to FleetFarm in Sioux City this afternoon for 'fun' & to buy nuts for cheap....the rest of the stuff I wanted was completely ridiculous in price!  No pellets for the Hatsan, reactive targets, or anything else that I thought I might like to bring home for fun.  :-\

When we got home, there was a 20# box full of boudin from Scott, LOOZIANA on our front porch!  I'm a happy man!! :banana:
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« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2021, 08:46:03 AM »
Boudin?  That needs it's own thread.  I looked them up....... those look terrific.  which kind did you order?

I am giving one last try to grow some grass (the lawn type) at my place.  I raked and seeded it yesterday and now have to water it a bit each day till it is two inches tall.  If this time dies off like all the others then it is going to be graveled and that will be that. 
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« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2021, 10:56:10 PM »
My age is showing, but I still think the ability to drive a manual transmission is a skill worthy of having. So, in order to pass that on to my grand kids, I went in search of a vehicle with a manual transmission. Slim pickings out there, I tell you. Found a nice Chevy Cruse with a 6 speed, but I wasn't willing to part with 17K just for a training exercise. I finally found an older Chevy pickup with a 454 big block and a four speed transmission. Nice smooth clutch and the transmission has a low speed granny gear for first. So it should be nice for teaching clutch control and how to heel and toe for starting out on a hill. Should be a fun weekend. Teaching her how to double clutch on a downshift and how to backup a trailer using her mirrors will probably take longer. A lot longer.

Gas is at 2.99 a gallon here and they say that big block only gets 10 mpg loaded or empty. But, no long trips planned, only in the hay field for teaching purposes so we should be OK.


 

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« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2021, 10:47:40 AM »
The oil industry has typically used any excuse to jack up gas prices at the pump.
Today there is a tanker grounded crossways in the Suez Canal. It'll only slow shipping down by 2 days, but there are 100 ships backed up, waiting to traverse the canal. 30 of them, waiting on the South end, are vulnerable to attack. Wait and see I guess.

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« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2021, 04:02:15 AM »
Fuel is now very expensive.

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« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2021, 07:17:41 AM »
The oil industry has typically used any excuse to jack up gas prices at the pump.
Today there is a tanker grounded crossways in the Suez Canal. It'll only slow shipping down by 2 days, but there are 100 ships backed up, waiting to traverse the canal. 30 of them, waiting on the South end, are vulnerable to attack. Wait and see I guess.

 It's not the Oil Companies raising prices at the pumps,  the gas isn't going up, it's the tax on all oil based products that's raising the cost,  someone has to pay for the totally ridiculous spending that the Biden & Company administration is doing,  and only a fraction of that spending is actually going for pandemic relief,  most of it is either going overseas or being used to subsidize the socialist Great New Green Agenda.
 You think your neighbor got his roof covered in solar panels for free, think again,  they aren't free, you're paying for them,  last week at a Biden/Harris round table the question of raising more revenue through higher taxes was discussed, the fuel tax came up and Biden questioned how raising the taxes on gas and heating fuels now might backfire on them, being so close to shutting down the pipeline.
 One of Biden's advisors told him not to worry, " the people" are too stupid to know, they don't even know what the tax on gas is right now,  when the price goes up at the pump they'll just blame the increase on the oil companies.
 And this isn't the end, soon we'll be paying added taxes on our energy bill, on food, all the sin taxes, for most household goods, and a higher death tax with which to rob your children, and then there's the new Infrastructure appropriation, do you really believe that we are going to get our roads and bridges rebuilt, or that the country's electric grid is getting upgraded and made more secure, guess again, 0.2% of that money is actually going to repairs to our infrastructure, the rest is going to fund the Socialist/Marxist agenda of the new rabid left.
 Yup, gas is up about a buck a gallon here since Biden and Company took over, and my home heating supply company rep told us to get ready for a huge increase in our home heating fuel bill come the end of Sept. of 2021.
Gas price increase in this case has nothing to do with supply and demand, nothing to do with impaired transportation,  it's got everything to do with bleeding Americans of everything they've worked for their whole lives and forcing them to their knees and make them dependent on their new masters, welcome to the new Great Reset my friends.         
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« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2021, 08:07:02 AM »
Maybe I should get more pasture land and start horse trading again.

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« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2021, 12:45:40 PM »
Fuel is now very expensive.

What are the fuel prices like in your part of the world?

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« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2021, 02:32:39 PM »
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« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2021, 05:56:27 PM »
Where do robots live?

   Robots,  where ?    :spider:
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« Reply #34 on: April 09, 2021, 04:24:19 AM »
Where do robots live?

Apparently Thailand.  Just want to make sure.

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« Reply #35 on: April 09, 2021, 12:37:58 PM »
So.....how are we supposed to react?   Gas prices are not going to inhibit my traveling or buying habits, by any means.  The oil hasn't been changed in my pickup for two years....less than 2000 miles on this change, compared to the 12,000-15,000 miles I put on it before the 'Year of the Covid Virus.'   The motorcycles, on the other hand, get there oil changed on a schedule based on mileage.  Means nothing to me....oil is a commodity, just like corn, soybeans, gold, etc.  Prices fluctuate according to demand.  I will continue to ride with wild abandon, no matter the cost of petrol! :coffee:

 Attaboy, Craig, we might just as well pay the higher prices for gas and home heating fuel, of course if we hadn't lost the pipeline or future fracking opportunities, and if we didn't have to pay the enormous subsidies for pushing this ridiculous Green Energy agenda that is only going to benefit the chi-com Chinese and other American hater countries across the globe (is it any wonder the election was so easily stolen), not to mention all the jobs lost and about to be lost in the oil and coal industries in this country.
 We were doing so good under the last administration, again, is it any wonder why everything that's happened to us as a people and as a country has only served to benefit the Chinese and their cohorts (the Pandemic,  the riots and civil unrest, the political push toward communism, a stolen election,  and now a push to reform the political system, pack the USSC, and federalize the election process that will insure that the socialist will be in power until hell freezes over), it's the Perfect Storm, a Perfect set of coincidences wouldn't you say ?
 This is just the beginning of this cancer,  mark my words, just the beginning.

 Sorry for the rant my friends, it just got the best of me.   :shrug:

It's understandable folks feel like we're getting the wrong end of the stick. . . because we are. If we want to do something about it other than sit and cry however, it might help to understand how and why.

It seems demand is returning after Covid restrictions and that will have some impact prices. "Summer driving season" and holiday price bumps are hardly new. There is also an incentive to catch up the quaterlies for investors.

The claim that the current administration is somehow complicit much less responsible doesn't hold up under the slightest scrutiny.

"The United States federal excise tax on gasoline is 18.4 cents per gallon and 24.4 cents per gallon for diesel fuel. The federal tax was last raised October 1, 1993 and is not indexed to inflation, which increased by a total of 77 percent from 1993 until 2020. On average, as of April 2019, state and local taxes and fees add 34.24 cents to gasoline and 35.89 cents to diesel, for a total US volume-weighted ? "  Wikipedia and DOT sourced.

The majority of fuel taxes arise from individual states and are about double fed taxes. Even were that not the case I recall the current prez was elected a bit after 1993 and has not as far as I know slipped on by us. So far.

From Bloomberg: "President Joe Biden?s plan to eliminate subsidies claimed by oil and gas companies and raise levies on corporate polluters would increase government receipts by $35 billion over the coming decade.

The benefits of these subsidies are currently concentrated ?within a handful of large firms,? the Treasury said in the Made In America Tax Plan released Wednesday. The report expands on tax proposals in Biden?s $2.25 trillion economic package unveiled last week.

The plan is likely to meet stiff resistance from the oil and gas industry and its supporters on Capitol Hill. Biden already surprised many executives in the first few months of his presidency by canceling the Keystone XL crude pipeline and restricting drilling on federal land.

The main impact would be on oil and gas company profits, the Treasury said in the report. Research suggests little impact on gasoline or energy prices for U.S. consumers and little impact on our energy security.

Emphasis added.

Perhaps the reference was to a proposed change in subsidies? A change that is nowhere beyond the proposal stage.

Here's the thing, - we can run about like Don Quixote looking for mythical creatures to slay or we can remain at least partially (hopefully mostly) grounded in reality.  Personally, I don't mind reality even if it may not always be convenient. Things seem to work out better that way.

We are in interesting times as the transition to new energy sources comes to fruition. If we're wise and have some luck we can keep the best of the old ways while determining how best to use the new.

Just like with bushcraft.




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« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2021, 10:22:32 PM »
The Topic started out as "Fuel Prices"

It seems like somebody else always gets the good deal. I never seem to be in the right place at the right time.

Well, today was my day.

Over at Wally World and I walked by the K-1 Kerosene. It was on "Clearance". 2 1/2 gallon jug for $17.00.

Lately, the clearance price has not matched the price that rings up at the register, so I took a jug over to one of them ladies that has the little scanner tool. She waves her magic wand over the jug and tells me "Five dollars".  I tried to keep a straight face. I really tried. I bought all 20 jugs. 50 gallons of K-1 Kerosene for a Benjamin.  They had them fancy 5 gallon fuel cans for 5 bucks too. Lovely shade of blue for the kerosene. But, they only had 2 of them. Threw them on top of the two shopping carts it took to get it all to the register.

For those that don't use kerosene, it has been hanging around 8 to 10 dollars a gallon for the past few years.

Finally, today was my lucky day.    :banana: :banana:  Clearance indeed!
 

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« Reply #37 on: April 11, 2021, 08:24:26 AM »
The last kerosene I bought was $7.50 a gallon and that was over a year ago.  I have ten gallons for my "bullet" heater that is used to warm up equipment like my skidsteer when it is below zero.  Also useful for thawing out frozen stock tanks but watch out cause they will melt one if left on too long.  :-[
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« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2021, 11:35:41 AM »
Kerosene at the pump is just a tad over 5 dollars a gallon. This is at a little village service station.

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Re: Fuel prices
« Reply #39 on: April 11, 2021, 05:55:48 PM »
That is a good price Randy.  I have not priced it here lately but I would guess it is still north of $7 a gallon.  We have one place that sells it other than a farm supply that sells it by the bottle for double what it costs out of the pump.
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns  something he can learn in no other way. 
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Re: Fuel prices
« Reply #40 on: April 14, 2021, 11:59:00 AM »
i say rip the motor out of the truck and hitch up the horses. there ya go.