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« Reply #350 on: February 03, 2013, 08:32:07 PM »
Here is my first tube ever. It was made in response about the hand drill taking too long and too hard. Hope you enjoy -Shane

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Thanks for putting this up shane, I'd forgotten about trying that kind of hearth.  I'm going to try it with my mullein stalk.  I think the thumb loops will help too because I broke the spindle even trying the Egyptian method.  My stalks aren't strong enough to take that much side force.

I couldn't see in the video, but did you make a small notch on the hearth pieces to keep the spindle in place?


No Dano there is no need to with this method. The cylindrical shape of the sticks will hold it just fine and as you saw in the vid provide plenty of air.

As for the thumb loops I was Poo Poo'ed on for using them lol . My counter to that is that my hands are one of my most important tools and its just uncommon common sense to use methods that will not damage them. Using thumb loops will reduce a lot of that damage.  If you feel the need to go full native then I support ya but man you will pay for it till your hands toughen up lol.
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« Reply #351 on: February 03, 2013, 08:41:42 PM »
Nothing wrong with using every available advantage to getting fire.

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« Reply #352 on: February 04, 2013, 08:06:55 AM »
Yeah, I was taught there's this thing called working harder, or working smarter LOL  The loops just make sense to me!

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« Reply #353 on: February 04, 2013, 08:38:12 AM »
I tried using thumbloops when I started with the hand drill but they just didn't seem to work for me.  I found them awkward to use and they just got in the way.  The key for success for me was a friend from Texas sent me a proven set made from sotol.  Once I was able to make an ember using it, which seemed much easier to me than what I was using, I was able to move on to using local materials like horseweed and mullein.

If the thumbloops work for you then that's great, it just wasn't my thing.  :)
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« Reply #354 on: February 04, 2013, 12:15:31 PM »
Here are several videos/pictures of one of my friction fires from last year.  If I need to make a more recent one, please let me know :)  One of the keys that I've found helpful towards success is starting slowly so the hearth and spindle tip warm up without using a lot of your energy.  Once powder has filled the notch, then pour on full speed and pressure.

I collected and used the Prickly Lettuce on location, using store-bought cedar 1x2 for the hearth:
















Harvesting the stalk:


Cleaning and using it:

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« Reply #355 on: February 04, 2013, 12:37:11 PM »
Looks good! Send a request as per the instructions in the first post and I will get you added as soon as I get to a real computer.

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« Reply #356 on: March 15, 2013, 05:28:14 PM »

Here is my submission for the Friction Fire Fellowship.


The starting set

I changed the bearing & bow to one I like better. The bow is the 
one we made on our VA/NC outing - though it's been thinned down a little since then.




The set I used for burn in, got the coal with, and subsequent fire. 
As mentioned - different "bearing block" I use a shot glass, this bow  has
seen a lot of bowing, and one of my tried & true favorites - my Rucksack

Believe it or not, there is a coal in there


Bit more closer photo of the smoking coal

Nice!  Bow poplar, spindle poplar, hearth cedar.


Now here is where I may differ a bit from the "norm".  You see...
I do not have fields of grass anywhere around me...  Not a big deal says I.
I just use wood shavings/feathers/curls.  Been doing it for years, and find it
works just fine for bow drill, hand drill, and flint and steel.
As a guy who carves, I have no shortage of wood curls. 
Here's the coal laid in a pile of apple and maple wood curls, in my little
grill, after some gentle blowing - I emphasize gentle - as with wood curls
in a grill, if you blow hard at first - you blow your coal away - literally



The first peek of flame

Now ya can BLOW on it - there's a nice big coal in there now.


Now we've got fire enough to build on!



And here we have split wood left over from... well... splitting wood of all things, lol
, from carving - laid on AND... Sustainable fire





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« Reply #357 on: March 15, 2013, 06:57:25 PM »
Nice, U.W.!


:thumbsup:


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« Reply #358 on: March 15, 2013, 09:43:24 PM »
Well done!

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« Reply #359 on: March 16, 2013, 08:50:50 AM »
Thank you both, MnSportsMan, and Petrified Wood


Fire by friction is always fun (and sometimes a little frustrating, lol)



I've got a thick blackberry stalk I've been drying for a while now, I'm gonna see
if it makes a decent hand drill spindle.  I tentatively think (hope) it will (yes, the thorns have
been removed, lol)


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« Reply #360 on: March 16, 2013, 09:02:55 AM »
I just knew he could do it :)

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« Reply #361 on: March 23, 2013, 12:33:12 PM »
Great thread.  Nice noting the weather LETSROCK!

Here's mine...


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« Reply #362 on: March 23, 2013, 02:46:40 PM »
I can say that I witnessed abo4ster make a hand drill fire quicker than anyone I've ever seen. Nice to have you adding to our community.

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« Reply #363 on: March 27, 2013, 08:01:46 PM »
Great thread.  Nice noting the weather LETSROCK!

Here's mine...


Nice one brutha!

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« Reply #364 on: March 27, 2013, 08:06:19 PM »
It's okay to be itty bitty... I think.  :-\

Anywho, here is a tiny bowdrill kit that's damn small.  If you watch all the way through you'll hear my wife catch me making fire in the house!  :banana:  It was a downpour outside the day I recorded this in case you're wondering why I was practicing friction fire indoors. hehe


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« Reply #365 on: March 27, 2013, 08:15:18 PM »
Ha!  That was funny!  At least she didn't say anything about your spindle being so small. 

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« Reply #366 on: March 27, 2013, 08:24:12 PM »
That's great!....Gettin' busted for a clandestine fire making operation by SWMBO in a thunderstorm!  8)  It don't get no more 'bushcrafty' than that..... What an ANIMAL! :thumbsup: :hail:
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« Reply #367 on: March 28, 2013, 04:35:38 AM »
Too funny! Nice work Plainsman :)

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« Reply #368 on: March 28, 2013, 08:04:29 AM »
Hahahahaha! That's funny! :lol:


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« Reply #369 on: March 28, 2013, 10:35:48 AM »
LOL "Nut'n baby."   My bet is she did not buy that. 

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« Reply #370 on: March 28, 2013, 11:31:40 AM »
LOL!  "ahhh........  nuthin baby" 


That sir.  Is OutStanding!!  &  Very nicely done  :thumbsup:


And Chris,


You is the master of hand drill in my book  :hail:


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« Reply #371 on: April 02, 2013, 09:23:52 PM »
Ha!  That was funny!  At least she didn't say anything about your spindle being so small.

I shut the camera off in time!

What an ANIMAL! :thumbsup: :hail:

Yeah! With a crazy eye!   ;D

Too funny! Nice work Plainsman :)

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LOL "Nut'n baby."   My bet is she did not buy that.

No. No she didn't. lol Tha Wringa for me!

LOL!  "ahhh........  nuthin baby" 

That sir.  Is OutStanding!!  &  Very nicely done  :thumbsup:
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« Reply #372 on: April 12, 2013, 04:00:25 PM »
I've been wanting to be apart of the Friction Fire Fellowship since I joined B&B but the weather has been too crummy for me to demonstrate my proficiency.  So today there has been a little break in the weather although it's been drizzling on and off all day I figured I give it a go anyway.  Honestly, I've never made a friction fire in these conditions however conditions will most likely not be perfect when I most need this skill...

I don't want anybody to be mislead, all of my components were made prior to this photo shoot.  I assure you they were all made out in the woods and a were all harvested locally for the exception of my bow string which is a length of 550 para cord.  I could have used a spruce root but I didn't feel like digging through the mud today...  All-righty then, I have and ash bow, willow handhold and spindle with a cotton wood hearth, the birds nest is Cedar bark with Birch bark shavings (which I did collect and process on site) in the center of the bundle.     



I already burned in my socket and cut my notch and I'm bowing away to get some dust...



Not quite a 45 degree angle notch because of that I got a lot of dust up on top of the hearth board instead of inside the notch.  I've produced a coal nonetheless.



I transfered my coal on a piece of Birch bark to my tinder bundle "birds nest".



Ahhh, It broke into three pieces, dang it...  It's still smoldering pretty good though!



Typically I wouldn't blow on the tinder bundle but I couldn't get a good photo of me waiving my arm...



I got a good amount of smoke but it eventually ignited...



Finally the smoke subsided and I have sustained FIRE!



PW, I know you preferred a video of the process and now I understand why...  I do hope I haven't cluttered up this thread with all of my photos I don't currently own a video camera but I still wanted to capture the entire process.  I'm looking forward to my membership in this distinguished Fellowship of Friction Fire!   :fire1:
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« Reply #373 on: April 12, 2013, 06:15:56 PM »
Congrats! Your request is approved.  ;)

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« Reply #374 on: April 15, 2013, 05:53:06 PM »
Hi all,

Well I am going to try and get into the Friction Fire Fellowship, with this video I did today.
Just click on the  Pic and the video should play.



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« Reply #375 on: April 15, 2013, 08:43:53 PM »
welcome to the fellowship Bryan!

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« Reply #376 on: April 16, 2013, 02:14:56 AM »
Wow, you made that look easy! :thumbsup:

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« Reply #377 on: April 16, 2013, 07:06:47 AM »
Hi all,

Al right I made it.   Thanks you guys :).  That bow I used is a 17" long and it takes a bit more work than a longer bow   does to get a coal.  Just for fun I wanted to take and use yucca on yucca I used a 27" long bow and it took 8 strokes to get my coal even though the spindle sliped out at the end.
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Old time camper Horace Kephart writes about using the bow drill in his book on camping and woodcraft.
He did not like it  and says it is hard to do or something like that.  It goes to show he did not practice that
much  lol.   Lets face it practice does make it easyer to do   and practice with different woods and wood combos. 

Anyways guys thanks for lettimg me join the Friction Fire Fellowship.


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« Reply #378 on: April 16, 2013, 08:59:52 PM »
Congratulations Bryan!  8 strokes?  That aught to be in the Guinness Book of World Records!   ;)

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« Reply #379 on: April 17, 2013, 06:37:44 AM »
Thanks, WI  Woodsman. 
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« Reply #380 on: April 21, 2013, 05:18:30 PM »
I made a bow drill fire today using cotton wood and what I believe was some kind of burch. Then I got a nice cole using pine! I think it was ponderosa.
I need to learn to ID trees better  ;). Still I thought pine would not work as well as it did because of the resin.
What a great day to be outside.

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« Reply #381 on: April 22, 2013, 03:30:48 AM »
Really old well seasoned pine can work. Stuff that is exposed to many wet/dry cycles like driftwood, or standing dead wood.

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« Reply #382 on: April 22, 2013, 06:43:35 AM »
I saved some our white pine Christmas tree last year.   Spilt and carved some of and let it dry by the heater vent  for a few days.   Then gave it a go.  Spun up a coal prety quick.  White pine is really a neat softer wood that works too.   
Hey Chris Bring that peice of pine with ya when you come down, if you want to.    I would like to try it out for the bow drill if you do not mind.

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« Reply #383 on: April 22, 2013, 05:05:37 PM »
Sure will, I will give you a call tonight and we can set the date.
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« Reply #384 on: April 23, 2013, 07:46:26 AM »
Friction fires sure can be an evil mistress. I spun a coal lastnight with little effort then lost it in my tender bundle....poor prep I suppose. Certainly exposes the need to practice skills. Nice to see folks getting flame :)

Fire is good!

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« Reply #385 on: April 26, 2013, 04:37:53 PM »
Creek, yea the sucks.
 I hate it when I get my coal into tinder and then blow it out.  I have done that a few times lol.

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« Reply #386 on: May 13, 2013, 05:56:38 PM »
here is mine

the materials are  experimental, i used for this bowdrill super seasoned green ash splitwood and cottonwood bark for a bearing block it was quite challenging not included are about 20 previous fails but i got it right as the block burned through and was scorching my hand!


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« Reply #387 on: May 13, 2013, 07:11:47 PM »
Awesome job man.

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« Reply #388 on: May 13, 2013, 07:30:29 PM »
here is mine

the materials are  experimental, i used for this bowdrill super seasoned green ash splitwood and cottonwood bark for a bearing block it was quite challenging not included are about 20 previous fails but i got it right as the block burned through and was scorching my hand!



This one was eventful!  I kinda challenged ks bushman to try a combo he's never done in a really hard environment.  He actually got this coal blown to flames right before my camera ran out of battery life!

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« Reply #389 on: May 13, 2013, 07:37:58 PM »
this was actually my 2nd sucessfull ember with this set i got it the very first time i started burning in then failed for an hour straight for the camera  :P

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« Reply #390 on: May 13, 2013, 08:30:56 PM »
Good job ks

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« Reply #391 on: May 13, 2013, 08:40:25 PM »
Welcome to the Friction Fire Fellowship KS, good goin' on that bow drill!

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« Reply #392 on: May 14, 2013, 01:11:07 AM »
Congrats ks-bushman! I added you to the FFF. :thumbsup:

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« Reply #393 on: May 14, 2013, 07:54:11 PM »
I haven't visited this thread in a long time.  Congratulations to all that has made it!

I need to get out and practice this.  I haven't done it since my struggle.
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« Reply #394 on: June 10, 2013, 01:58:50 PM »
I'm Video Taping Challenged, so I'll submit pictures soon.

I made my first friction fire just last week, but in my opinion, that doesn't count because it was a bow drill set that was provided for me by the instructors at (MPSS) Maine Primitive Skills School. I've had no problem making my own set and had the mechanics down 90%, but that last 10% was the hardest for me to get. Thanks to MPSS taking a split second to review my blowing technique and TheMoodyBobbby1 of YouTube fame for a tip on cutting in my notch, I was finally able to blow my tinder bundle into a flame.

I was able to make embers with no problem. As a matter of fact, my very first attempt created a monster ember, but I lost it in the tinder material that I was provided with (coconut husk). After losing 4 more embers to that material, I went and scavenged up my own birds nest out of dried pine needles and some flowery weeds and on my 6th attemp, POOF! Fire.

Again, I was always "almost" there with everything else, but that last little bit of help (which was my needing to hold my nest material a little tighter to the coal) got me to completion. I'm sharing this because I believe that while we can all learn on our own through trial and error, having the skill passed down to you directly by someone else is so much more efficient and there's always that synergy that happens when someone helps you and you get a cheer and it's just pretty cool stuff.

After I made my first friction fire, I went on to help 3 others make theirs including one gentleman who was having an especially difficult time with his material. I gave him my hearth and he got his coal finally with his first try on it and made his own fire.

Anyway, I'm going to record my own friction fire here, but it's going to have to be with materials I harvest and process myself. One hard lesson I learned that would've saved me 2 hours of drilling: Make your own tinder bundle. The more you learn how to control your fire making tools and pick your materials, the better. My first set that I made myself was of Black Cherry. BIG MISTAKE.

I'm sure I'll be able to do it with no problem from now on (provided that all the stars are aligned right and the fire gods are pleased with me), but even if I would've mistakenly started my first fire that day without the tips of MPSS and Bobby, I probably wouldn't have known how I did it and I'd be setting myself up for more frustration in trying to figure out what I did right and why it was harder after that. All this text above? That's all for the guys who helped me.

I'll be back here in a few days gents and hopefully, I'll be grafted into The FFF upon PW's approval. :)

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« Reply #395 on: June 16, 2013, 12:47:34 AM »
Testing the Laser Strike handle divot.






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« Reply #396 on: June 16, 2013, 08:06:02 AM »
Awesome having a divit in yourknife handle is awesome.  I remember the first time I saw that I started drilling some into my handles.  Boy G-10 stinks so bad   lol  Micarta is a lot better. I decided that instead of drilling into the handle material I would put a 1/2" wide center pin and then drill it out and use that my Divit.
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« Reply #397 on: June 16, 2013, 11:11:16 AM »
Nice size coal there Switchblade!  Is that a cedar hearth-board?

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Re: Friction Fire Fellowship
« Reply #398 on: June 16, 2013, 02:37:26 PM »
...  Is that a cedar hearth-board?

Yes, it is. Western red cedar.
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Re: Friction Fire Fellowship
« Reply #399 on: June 16, 2013, 10:56:36 PM »
.... I decided that instead of drilling into the handle material I would put a 1/2" wide center pin and then drill it out and use that my Divit.
what ever a person choses it just gives you more options for the bow drill set up.

Bryan

That 1/2" center pin is a great idea, I have not seen that before.
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