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« Reply #400 on: June 18, 2013, 12:16:27 AM »
I wonder if the ring in the handle of an ESEE Izula could be used as a bearing block?

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« Reply #401 on: June 18, 2013, 04:38:29 AM »
I have incorporated skate board bearings in a sheath.  Works great.






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« Reply #402 on: June 18, 2013, 06:19:35 AM »
Thanks Switchblade,  I  did that with a couple of knives back in Dec. of 2012.   Before that I was drilling divit  holes in the handles.  I like simple and a 1/2" pin  drilled out is just that simple, no moving parts and right there on the knife itself. 

crashdive 123, good job on that  :).

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« Reply #403 on: June 18, 2013, 10:58:32 AM »
I have incorporated skate board bearings in a sheath.  Works great.





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« Reply #404 on: June 18, 2013, 12:01:05 PM »
Here is a bearing block I found in a dry creek bed....and an archeologist didn't discount it as one....LOL.




Said the hole and worked outside appears "cultural"  or man made....LOL.....Won't say for sure.

Anyway my goal is to use this for a friction fire.
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« Reply #405 on: June 18, 2013, 02:07:19 PM »
Cool find with that round rock.  Grease that hole up some and see how it does.  I am betting it will work just fine for a bearing.

Let us know how it does.

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« Reply #406 on: June 18, 2013, 04:27:45 PM »
I haven't used a bearing block with a "bearing" in it yet...need to give it a try.

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« Reply #407 on: July 19, 2013, 10:04:44 PM »
I like Cody and am sure he has skill but come on he is selling a bow drill kit for $85
Scroll down to the bottom. http://www.codylundin.com/abo_store.html
It still just a stick & string.
if any one here wants a "kit" I will send you one for $70  ;D
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« Reply #408 on: July 20, 2013, 12:50:13 PM »
I like Cody and am sure he has skill but come on he is selling a bow drill kit for $85
Scroll down to the bottom. http://www.codylundin.com/abo_store.html
It still just a stick & string.
if any one here wants a "kit" I will send you one for $70  ;D

But they have his spit on them...that's gotta be worth, ya know, like a lot!

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« Reply #409 on: July 20, 2013, 03:19:14 PM »
I think it's more about who made it than what it's made of. Some people will buy napkins that celebrities have used. :shrug:

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« Reply #410 on: August 16, 2013, 09:01:53 PM »
What about pawpaw wood? I have some of it
Seems like it would work

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« Reply #411 on: August 23, 2013, 09:14:47 AM »
Here is my video.

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« Reply #412 on: August 28, 2013, 08:08:15 PM »
Haven't done hand drill in a while so thought I would give it a try.  Horseweed spindle and Sotol hearth.  Was able to warm up the hearth using the floating method but needed to bear down on the spindle to get an ember.

Surprising how this comes back to you once you get the technique.  Anyone having trouble getting an ember should get their hands on some sotol.  RoadLessTraveled sent me some in the mail last year and it is amazing stuff  :D



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« Reply #413 on: August 28, 2013, 08:14:12 PM »
Well done! Wonder how the sotol hearth would work with a mullein stalk spindle...

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« Reply #414 on: August 28, 2013, 08:21:50 PM »
Well done! Wonder how the sotol hearth would work with a mullein stalk spindle...

Thanks!  Sotol is pretty amazing stuff, I'm sure it would work.  I'll give it a try and let you know.
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« Reply #415 on: January 04, 2014, 04:43:00 PM »
I was messing around the house today and just to see what i think could make a fire by bow drill. 550 cord and some common baseboard trim (it is basswood i found out), I will have to take pictures of it tomorrow and get the covetted label "Friction Fire Fellowship". Try it out.
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« Reply #416 on: January 06, 2014, 03:37:21 PM »
Heres mine...thanks PW

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« Reply #417 on: January 06, 2014, 03:44:52 PM »
   Congrats Woods!
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   I think all of us realize you were a member of the FFF long before the video was posted, and long ago you had earned the "award" even without the video being posted..
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« Reply #418 on: January 06, 2014, 03:52:22 PM »
Indeed. And congrats Woods. :thumbsup:

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« Reply #419 on: January 25, 2014, 02:34:01 PM »
Here is one I made from a downed cedar fence post,Sage Bark tinder,and Cow Bone socket.
I had my Elk Antler socket but wanted to try to use only as found materials. Except Knife.

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« Reply #420 on: January 25, 2014, 02:37:28 PM »
Nice bearing block!

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« Reply #421 on: January 25, 2014, 02:43:26 PM »
Very nice! Thanks for posting and welcome to our fff club!

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« Reply #422 on: January 25, 2014, 03:53:10 PM »
Nice job Electric Cowboy, I gotta say Cedar's got to be one of my favorite Friction Fire wood, love the smell of fresh smoke off the hearth board!   ;)

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« Reply #423 on: February 05, 2014, 05:50:11 PM »
Here is my video, sorry it took so long but i deleted a lot of my videos and this is the only one I could find. It did give me trouble but I hung in there and made it work. Thank god it wasn't a survival situation  8)

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« Reply #424 on: February 07, 2014, 06:20:05 PM »
Nice job OT, and you did it while standing!   :thumbsup:

Definitely an ACE in the hole!

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« Reply #425 on: February 08, 2014, 09:00:06 AM »
Here is my video, sorry it took so long but i deleted a lot of my videos and this is the only one I could find. It did give me trouble but I hung in there and made it work. Thank god it wasn't a survival situation  8)

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« Reply #426 on: February 10, 2014, 08:53:16 PM »
Nice job OT, and you did it while standing!   :thumbsup:

Definitely an ACE in the hole!
Thanks, it can be much easier to stand while bowing lol. When you get a little age on your bones you find others ways to make tasks more comfortable.

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« Reply #427 on: February 10, 2014, 08:55:43 PM »
Here is my video, sorry it took so long but i deleted a lot of my videos and this is the only one I could find. It did give me trouble but I hung in there and made it work. Thank god it wasn't a survival situation  8)

Nice! Thanks for joining us

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« Reply #428 on: February 15, 2014, 09:39:26 PM »
This is not a petition for membership yet just me bragging. 

I just spun up my coal in 8:00 Mins! :fire2:

would've had it sooner had I prepped my bow better.  :doh:

It'll be down under 5 for my video submission.

Cheers!

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« Reply #429 on: February 15, 2014, 10:23:39 PM »
This is not a petition for membership yet just me bragging. 

I just spun up my coal in 8:00 Mins! :fire2:

would've had it sooner had I prepped my bow better.  :doh:

It'll be down under 5 for my video submission.

Cheers!

Good for you Skagun!  Looking forward to your video!

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« Reply #430 on: February 18, 2014, 02:25:56 PM »
My humble petition video submitted for your approval:
A one handed friction fire using a bow drill and Sktagan instead of a traditional hearth board:


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« Reply #431 on: February 18, 2014, 08:05:22 PM »
Nicely done. Welcome to the club.
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« Reply #432 on: February 18, 2014, 08:33:31 PM »
Well done, and congrats!

Nice to find an ember when you thought you'd have to keep drilling. I've got a video somewhere where the spindle pops out and the wind blows the ember right back into the hearth board and I was able to save it. :D

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« Reply #433 on: February 18, 2014, 08:38:52 PM »
Well done, and congrats!

Nice to find an ember when you thought you'd have to keep drilling. I've got a video somewhere where the spindle pops out and the wind blows the ember right back into the hearth board and I was able to save it. :D
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« Reply #434 on: February 20, 2014, 05:02:23 AM »
Outstanding Skagun!
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« Reply #435 on: February 20, 2014, 05:38:30 AM »
congrats to OffTrail and to skagun!...well done gents :thumbsup:...woods
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« Reply #436 on: February 20, 2014, 05:49:38 PM »
Excellent job Skagun!   :thumbsup:

This is the first time I've seen Sktagan used as a hearth board, as a matter of fact I don't even know what Sktagan is, perhaps you could enlighten me...

I've only heard of Sktagan once in a youtube video demonstrating percussion fire, the gentleman demonstrating used it as tinder to catch a spark from his carbon steel Mora which was produces by a piece of chert.  Is Sktagan a tinder fungus?

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« Reply #437 on: February 20, 2014, 06:30:56 PM »
hey woodsman:
Sktagan  (spelled phonetically) is a birch conk.  I think folks call it "Chaga" but I've only known it by its Pottawatomie name.  works fantastic at catching a spark.  it's all I use with my flint and steel. The old stuff is hard, brittle, and sparks just bounce right off it with no affect.  however, as you can see, it's hard enough to hold up under the pressure of a fire spindle, and will ignite nicely with very little effort.  I didn't show it on the video but I doused that piece in the snow and threw it back in my pouch for next time.

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« Reply #438 on: February 20, 2014, 07:56:31 PM »
hey woodsman:
Sktagan  (spelled phonetically) is a birch conk.  I think folks call it "Chaga" but I've only known it by its Pottawatomie name.  works fantastic at catching a spark.  it's all I use with my flint and steel. The old stuff is hard, brittle, and sparks just bounce right off it with no affect.  however, as you can see, it's hard enough to hold up under the pressure of a fire spindle, and will ignite nicely with very little effort.  I didn't show it on the video but I doused that piece in the snow and threw it back in my pouch for next time.

I figured it was a tinder fungus of some kind, I've been on a quest to find Inonotus Obliquus (Chaga) for years now...  What I wouldn't give for a diseased Birch in my neck of the woods...   :(

I like the name Sktagan better than Chaga, thanks for the lesson Skagun, much appreciated!   ;)

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« Reply #439 on: February 20, 2014, 10:18:09 PM »
Here's my entry. Bow-drill friction fire set created in the field from materials collected on location. No pre-made parts used. I don't really remember what woods I used, I just grabbed what I could find that was dry. I think the hearthboard/socket was scarlet oak, and the spindle was buckthorn if I remember correctly. It had rained the day before, so everything was wet, as you can tell by the socket squeak on the first run. I used some beeswax in the socket to get it to stop squeaking, and then the punk lit off real quick. I had planned on just doing this to test out a knife I made..just to create a coal, so I didnt have a proper tinder bundle set up, and just used some quick dry leaves to get flame. I'm actually surprised it worked, since usually they just smoulder. I just happened to get lucky and it lit off.




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« Reply #440 on: February 21, 2014, 09:17:30 AM »
Great job BDavison.  especially like the close up shots of the step by step process.


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« Reply #441 on: February 21, 2014, 09:24:03 AM »
Congrats Bdavidson! Got you added to the group.

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« Reply #442 on: February 21, 2014, 04:44:00 PM »
 :banana: :welcome:we need a bow drill cartoon.
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« Reply #443 on: February 21, 2014, 04:45:51 PM »
I wonder if the ring in the handle of an ESEE Izula could be used as a bearing block?
I wonder also. I don't think it will but will give it a go if I unwrap my handle.
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« Reply #444 on: February 21, 2014, 09:01:05 PM »
Great job everyone, do you all remember that first coal and the feeling you had from making friction fire for the very first time? After that we all thought we were Gods of the flame, until you try the made in the field unproven bowdrill kit. That's when we learn that your only as good as your last successful  friction fire. I never carry a bowdrill kit but if one is needed I make it from scratch, in dry environments this is much easier. Making a bowdrill kit from scratch in Ohio is not always a sure thing. But I still love that feeling of getting a coal each and everytime.
 

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« Reply #445 on: February 22, 2014, 08:41:52 AM »
Great job everyone, do you all remember that first coal and the feeling you had from making friction fire for the very first time? After that we all thought we were Gods of the flame, until you try the made in the field unproven bowdrill kit. That's when we learn that your only as good as your last successful  friction fire. I never carry a bowdrill kit but if one is needed I make it from scratch, in dry environments this is much easier. Making a bowdrill kit from scratch in Ohio is not always a sure thing. But I still love that feeling of getting a coal each and everytime.

Oh so true, friction fire is a great skill to have, but it only works SOME of the time even with the experts. I wouldn't rely on it for my only source of fire. It's definitely the most fun of all fire starting methods in my opinion. I like doing it, even when I fail. Satisfies the primal urges for sure.

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« Reply #446 on: February 22, 2014, 09:11:54 AM »
Great job everyone, do you all remember that first coal and the feeling you had from making friction fire for the very first time? After that we all thought we were Gods of the flame, until you try the made in the field unproven bowdrill kit. That's when we learn that your only as good as your last successful  friction fire. I never carry a bowdrill kit but if one is needed I make it from scratch, in dry environments this is much easier. Making a bowdrill kit from scratch in Ohio is not always a sure thing. But I still love that feeling of getting a coal each and everytime.

Oh so true, friction fire is a great skill to have, but it only works SOME of the time even with the experts. I wouldn't rely on it for my only source of fire. It's definitely the most fun of all fire starting methods in my opinion. I like doing it, even when I fail. Satisfies the primal urges for sure.

Way to go BD!   :thumbsup:

I'm going to be working on the Fire Plow next, I haven't seen that yet...

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« Reply #447 on: February 22, 2014, 09:40:47 AM »
Oh so true, friction fire is a great skill to have, but it only works SOME of the time even with the experts. I wouldn't rely on it for my only source of fire. It's definitely the most fun of all fire starting methods in my opinion. I like doing it, even when I fail. Satisfies the primal urges for sure.
I couldn't agree more!  when I do demonstrations I only guarantee the smoke. . . I'm really good at making that part :rolleyes:
Regardless of success, the squeal that begins as the friction increases is music to my ears. . . very satisfying!

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« Reply #448 on: February 22, 2014, 01:06:55 PM »
Great job everyone, do you all remember that first coal and the feeling you had from making friction fire for the very first time? After that we all thought we were Gods of the flame, until you try the made in the field unproven bowdrill kit. That's when we learn that your only as good as your last successful  friction fire. I never carry a bowdrill kit but if one is needed I make it from scratch, in dry environments this is much easier. Making a bowdrill kit from scratch in Ohio is not always a sure thing. But I still love that feeling of getting a coal each and everytime.

Oh so true, friction fire is a great skill to have, but it only works SOME of the time even with the experts. I wouldn't rely on it for my only source of fire. It's definitely the most fun of all fire starting methods in my opinion. I like doing it, even when I fail. Satisfies the primal urges for sure.

Way to go BD!   :thumbsup:

I'm going to be working on the Fire Plow next, I haven't seen that yet...

I wish you the best with the fire plow, I've only been able to get a coal once with the fire plow. Usually, lots of smoke and not much else or it burnishes the wood and I have to sand out the trough to get friction again.

I've tried nearly every method of friction fire...bow-drill, fire plow, bamboo saw, rope saw, hand-drill, etc. The only two I've had a reasonable amount of success with is the bow-drill and bamboo saw. I'm still working on the hand-drill, but without a thumb string I haven't been too successful. Of all of them, the bow-drill seems to be the most reliable method. It's easier when you use good wood that you've had seasoning at your house for a year...not so much when you have to find something out in the woods and do it on the spot.

I've found that the absolute best way to get proper materials in the field is to baton them out of a dry log.  I usually look for dead trees that have fallen and are leaning up against another tree, and then saw a section out of it that's at least 4ft above the ground. Moisture usually settles in the lowest part of the log, so I try to use the top part  (the high side) batoned off for the fireboard, the inner heart for the spindle, and the low side for the spindle. In this way, I get the driest stuff possible. Limbs laying on the ground soak up too much moisture. The higher you go, the drier it will be.

Here are some other tips.

Make sure you get the initial divot in the fireboard and socket deep enough with your knife. Too shallow and it will let the spindle pop out...and usually right about the time it's ready to coal.
Make your spindle as straight as possible. Crooked spindles wobble during the spin, and are more likely to jump out of the socket.
If it squeaks it's wet.
An easy way to test if it's dry enough, is to put it up to your cheek. If it feels cold, it's wet.
Big notches let in lots of air, Small notches hold in heat. If you're getting lots of smoke and punk but no coal, try fiddling with your notch size.

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« Reply #449 on: February 22, 2014, 02:20:45 PM »

. . . If it squeaks it's wet. . .
not always.  I first heard the "squeak" while playing with a pump drill that was being sold at the gift shop where I worked. it was a real cheesy kit, but I wanted to try it out.  all I managed to do was burnish the socket, with no appreciable heat build up.  after tweaking it a bit and roughing up the parts was when I heard the "squeak" I call the whistle.  the increased friction between the two woods managed to build up some heat, but I never did get an ember. however, you couldn't get dryer wood. 
Of course YMMV  but it's always been my experience that the the squeak happens right before the smoke, and if I'm diligent, the coal shortly there after. 

I like your idea about the standing deadwood.  I think that's a great suggestion and I want to try that before the snow melts.