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« Reply #450 on: March 04, 2014, 01:35:55 PM »
Two weeks ago my son Nick and I ventured into the Florida scrub with the intent of producing an ember using material from the Florida state tree The Sabal palm. We watched a video of Gundog5 entitled "Bow Drill fire-All Sabal Palm Success" the night before. My son said "hey that looks easy I wanna try that"... I looked at him and thought to myself "easy my a$$".

Now you see I have never been successful in making fire with the bow drill cause I never really persued it. It always seemed to me like a waste of energy and it was easier to use a Flint & steel, ferro rod, matches or my favorite a Bic lighter. Well, my attitude changed after seeing my son struggle with the bow drill two weeks ago. I felt that I needed to learn this after my son failed and became angry that it didn't work and that it was useless and a waste of time. I recall that it was a very humid day cause it had rained the day before. So I deduced that everthing we found had some moisture content in it. I went back and researched the web at all the bow drill instructions and videos till I was practically blind lol. There's alot of good info out there BTW.

Well I went out and found some really dry Sabal palm fronds and some dried Brazilian Pepper tree limbs. My plan was to use the Brazilian pepper as a drill and Bow & sabal palm for the hearth and handhold. I found a piece of Brazilian pepper with a nice shallow bend and fashioned it using 550 paracord for the bow string. A straight piece of it became the spindle.

I made a handhold of dry Sabal palm boot and the hearth was a piece of really dry palm frond. My first attempt was a failure after numerous attempts. I took a breather (I was breathless and my old knees were cramped up).
After a 20 min respite I made another divot and notch and gave it a go. I cranked that bow till I almost collapsed and Viola there was a waft of smoke coming from that pile of dust. I almost passed out...I could'nt believe it! MY FIRST EMBER WITH A BOW DRILL!! ESTATIC isn't the word, Happy, Happy, Happy is more like it! At 61 years of age I felt like a youngster with his first real knife!

So far I've been successful at 3 attempts after that first intial success! I have some pix to share...sorry I was solo so I have no pix showing the actual work, only pix of the embers (3 different ones)... some are blurry as I had noodle arms after generating tremendous energy whew!
My First Ember.

My Second Ember.

My Third Ember.

My Drill set.

My Drill set.

My Bearing block.

My Spindle.

Thanx for looking!

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« Reply #451 on: March 04, 2014, 02:38:35 PM »
Congrats! It's a great feeling to make fire seemingly out of nothing! :D

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« Reply #452 on: March 12, 2014, 10:47:34 AM »
Got my first Two Stick Fire, Cottonwood with ESEE 5 Knife Handle Socket.
I am very happy with myself, one more way to skin a Cat.




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« Reply #453 on: March 12, 2014, 03:07:29 PM »
Looks good!

How did the handle socket hold up? Do they get a little scorched or does it look like it will last a long time? Just curious because I've always wondered about micarta handles as sockets.

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« Reply #454 on: March 12, 2014, 05:49:59 PM »
PW, The Micarta works great,very slick. I keep it loaded with Candle Wax. I have since Drilled a Socket in my BK2,
and will probly do it to a few more Knives. I will add that it is not as easy,as with a dedicated Socket.
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« Reply #455 on: March 12, 2014, 06:00:57 PM »
Thanks EC for some inspiration, I got to try me a FF real soon.

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« Reply #456 on: March 12, 2014, 08:39:27 PM »
Very cool EC, nice antler hand hold socket!   ;)

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« Reply #457 on: March 22, 2014, 08:13:15 PM »
Good job and congrats!!!

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« Reply #458 on: April 25, 2014, 06:41:32 PM »
Here is my submission.... the fire chain.  Fire begets fire.

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« Reply #459 on: April 28, 2014, 11:24:45 PM »
Welcome to the FFF! :thumbsup:

I apologize for the delay in getting you added. There isn't a notification system for the member group requests.

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« Reply #460 on: April 29, 2014, 01:29:03 PM »
I just cut up a deer antler for a bearing block, cut a dimple for the spindle to set in, before I use it should I put any thing in the spindle hole to make it last longer. Thanks.

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« Reply #461 on: April 29, 2014, 03:31:53 PM »
I just cut up a deer antler for a bearing block, cut a dimple for the spindle to set in, before I use it should I put any thing in the spindle hole to make it last longer. Thanks.

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I would make sure it is well burned in and smooth and symmetrical first. Then once the hole is well formed, I'd use some beeswax in it to help lubricate it and slow it from wearing out too fast.

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« Reply #462 on: April 29, 2014, 04:22:19 PM »
Welcome to the FFF! :thumbsup:

I apologize for the delay in getting you added. There isn't a notification system for the member group requests.

Thanks PW! FFF would make a really cool tab patch by the way....

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« Reply #463 on: May 13, 2014, 10:27:12 PM »

Finally
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« Reply #464 on: May 31, 2014, 03:41:11 PM »
Congrats! It ain't easy but it's very rewarding. :thumbsup:

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« Reply #465 on: July 06, 2014, 10:54:36 AM »
Still accepting applicants? I've done it twice, but never captured on film. I'd love to try it again though, and get it on film to join.
Now THAT'S a fire!!!

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« Reply #466 on: July 06, 2014, 07:03:37 PM »
Still accepting applicants? I've done it twice, but never captured on film. I'd love to try it again though, and get it on film to join.

Cool - Looking forward to seeing that!  Friction fire rocks!

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« Reply #467 on: July 08, 2014, 05:02:21 PM »
Gonna try this weekend, unless I can find some free time before then. And I'll need my son to hold my phone to video it. Now I hope I can do it again! I'm hoping it's like riding a bike.
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« Reply #468 on: July 12, 2014, 03:03:34 PM »
Tried this afternoon...failed miserably.  Couldn't even get a coal. Gonna try again tomorrow.
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« Reply #469 on: July 13, 2014, 08:23:23 PM »
Well I tried again today & no luck, but I broke the fireboard. Piece chipped off & I didn't notice, and then the whole corner came off. Maybe that's why it didn't work for me. Anyway, gotta notch out another & try again.
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« Reply #470 on: July 15, 2014, 09:17:29 PM »
Well I tried again today & no luck, but I broke the fireboard. Piece chipped off & I didn't notice, and then the whole corner came off. Maybe that's why it didn't work for me. Anyway, gotta notch out another & try again.
keep it up man. I still fail from time to time. I will be doing a hand drill this weekend. If everything goes perfect. lol
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« Reply #471 on: July 31, 2014, 07:11:45 PM »
 This video is super long but I do two hand drill fires at the end if you wanna fast forward past my jabbering. LOL. 
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« Reply #472 on: July 31, 2014, 07:47:43 PM »
Excellent video, rbm.  Thank you!   :thumbsup:
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« Reply #473 on: August 01, 2014, 05:10:10 AM »
Glad I found this place!



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« Reply #474 on: August 01, 2014, 07:15:12 AM »
This video is super long but I do two hand drill fires at the end if you wanna fast forward past my jabbering. LOL. 
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« Reply #475 on: August 01, 2014, 07:19:56 AM »
Glad I found this place!




OK Crunksknunk...we ever go camping together your in charge of the fire...thats about as quik an ember as can be got!...woods
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« Reply #476 on: August 01, 2014, 02:27:39 PM »
Excellent video, rbm.  Thank you!   :thumbsup:
Thanks! Im glad you liked it brother.
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« Reply #477 on: August 01, 2014, 02:28:49 PM »
Glad I found this place!




Dude, I remember seeing you on youtube, your fire skills are awesome!
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« Reply #478 on: August 01, 2014, 07:04:10 PM »
Amazing!   And FAST! :hail:
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« Reply #479 on: August 01, 2014, 10:07:57 PM »

Dude, I remember seeing you on youtube, your fire skills are awesome!

Thanks, Realbigmonkey, much appreciated! I've always enjoyed your videos, not to mention your contagious laughter and sense of humor. It's always good to see a fellow Georgian spinning coals. 

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« Reply #480 on: August 09, 2014, 07:02:19 PM »

Dude, I remember seeing you on youtube, your fire skills are awesome!

Thanks, Realbigmonkey, much appreciated! I've always enjoyed your videos, not to mention your contagious laughter and sense of humor. It's always good to see a fellow Georgian spinning coals.
Thanks! Thats even cooler knowing your from Georgia too!
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« Reply #481 on: August 09, 2014, 09:23:47 PM »
Some great skill here. How many FFF members do we have now?
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« Reply #482 on: August 09, 2014, 09:37:43 PM »
On the forum index page, y can scroll down to the bottom and see the member groups. Click the orange fff link and it will open a page with the list of members. As of now we have 35. :)

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« Reply #483 on: August 23, 2014, 05:19:08 PM »
Bump  :rofl: :rofl:



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« Reply #484 on: August 23, 2014, 08:51:07 PM »
You made that look easy! :thumbsup:

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« Reply #485 on: August 24, 2014, 05:58:52 AM »
Crunk - That was awesome! 

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« Reply #486 on: August 27, 2014, 02:47:19 PM »
Ok, I don't often take pictures or have pictures taken of me, but with a little searching, I was able to find a couple pictures from several years ago. The first picture shows the first solo bowdrill coal I ever got, the second a group coal that was part of a challenge (I was maybe 13 at the time... I'm the one holding the tinder bundle.) I've since gotten much better, with my fastest coal clocking in at around ten seconds. Anyway, here are the pictures, I hope they are sufficient proof.
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« Reply #487 on: August 27, 2014, 03:08:38 PM »
Congrats, Ivan!

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« Reply #488 on: October 05, 2014, 03:30:39 PM »
A little wile ago my son (16) came and got my bow drill kit. Proclaiming "I am going to make a fire". I gave him a time  & went to see how he was doing. With a little advice he had a fire going.
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« Reply #489 on: October 05, 2014, 03:45:38 PM »
Your son has only you to thank for lighting that fire within, lgm.  Good for you both! :thumbsup:
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« Reply #490 on: October 05, 2014, 07:13:15 PM »
That Monkey video was Great! And for once someone was talkin my language!

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« Reply #491 on: October 21, 2014, 09:15:33 AM »
Bamboo fire saw

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« Reply #492 on: October 21, 2014, 09:56:11 AM »
Congrats on using a novel method!

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« Reply #493 on: August 10, 2015, 04:29:45 PM »
I am hoping I can become part of the Friction Fire Fellowship, saw this thread and went to work on the challenge right away.

It has been a good 15 years since I have done this but I got the bug again because of this website and set to work making a bow from some native desert catclaw acacia. It is all over the lower deserts here but I cut this right off a tree in advanced base camp...my side yard at 2400'. 

First, a spindle and base board of yucca stalk were tried as it had worked before when I tried my first times, but the stuff I have is just too soft, made some black powder and ate right through the board before a coal caught. Plan B, native juniper. This grows in the southwest from 3000' to 8000' and some species grow as high as 9000'. The board and spindle went quickly with my little puukko and juniper proved perfect for making a quick coal but also very durable. The same drill hole was used several times and still has plenty of material left for more fires.

I set it all up in shade but dappled sunlight intruded before I got fully ready so not very good photography. It took longer to set it all up with the camera and materials, and tools than it did to spin up a coal. That took only the 15 seconds that the camera timer was set to. It did not smoke much but a bit of wispy smoke is visible here.



A good durable black coal appeared in seconds but I knocked it off the thin, wide shaving of juniper I had placed under the notch. It held together as I pushed it back on and a very thin wisp of smoke still emanates in the image.



Girlfriend kept on pushing the shutter but the camera was set on 15 delay as I started blowing on it. The tinder bundle is very thin shaven juniper.



The dry juniper was like gasoline. It exploded into flame in the 15 seconds between the time I started blowing until the camera tripped once more.



I'm not an expert when it comes to primitive skills and as I've said it has been a long time since I have even tried this. But like the first time years ago, I found that getting down to business and fashioning the kit takes a lot longer than getting fire. I know that materials are important and they vary from location to location. Good seasoned juniper is almost like wood with gasoline in it. LOL I can see why some from the east favor Eastern Cedar.

The one thing I have held onto is the sea shell I found down in the Sea of Cortez. It makes the perfect bearing and the smooth inner surface sort of turbocharges the spindle speed, doesn't make it drag like some bearing blocks do. It is thick and that is important. The thin shells got way too hot and this one heats up too so thick leather gloves make it bearable. The entire kit took me about an hour to make with my bumbling but it felt good to have the knife in hand and seeing something come out of the woods with the magic of fire from sticks as a quick result.



This was a very fun challenge and a super way to make a flame. Way back 15 years ago I could make friction fire with just a hand drill, well one time anyway. That took some doing, a lot more strength than I have now. The bow still makes it possible.


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« Reply #494 on: August 10, 2015, 10:06:30 PM »
:thumbsup: Carson!


Right fine!... and Congrats for your efforts!!
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« Reply #495 on: August 10, 2015, 10:22:26 PM »
Congrats Carson! :thumbsup:

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« Reply #496 on: August 11, 2015, 10:27:12 AM »
 :hail: :fire1:

  Very well done!

    I am hoping my initiation will be in two weeks. I don't think I'll be documenting it, but myself and a couple of other guys are going to jointly give it a shot.

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« Reply #497 on: August 11, 2015, 12:52:09 PM »
Here is my submission I am participating in The Truth as Hard as Steel challenge and I thought I could kill two birds with one stone since I am new to the site. The video is kinda long but the last half has my bow drill kit and fire making. The tree I used for both the drill and the board was Balsam Fir. It was a challenge to make the kit with just a trade axe but the challenge was well worth it. It took me quite a few try's to get the board carved right with a bigger tool.


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« Reply #498 on: August 11, 2015, 04:39:01 PM »
Miles,
A) nice job
B) now I want to go play with my trail hawk
3) Welcome.
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« Reply #499 on: August 11, 2015, 04:51:04 PM »
Well...  I for one am impressed  :thumbsup:   :thumbsup:


Job very well done, to you sir   :hail:




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