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Building my Everglades Skiff
« on: August 12, 2012, 06:24:28 PM »
I thought this might be the best home for this thread. A quick story! While dating my now wife we visited Everglades park on our way to Key West or really Duval St. I bought a book that made me think about alot about lost heritage and techniques we lose everytime an old cracker dies. I have been fortunate enough to know a few and be taught a few things from these wise gentlemen. I have set long trot lines and run gators. Hunted hogs with Curr's baying and catchem live with a six foot piece of cotton rope. And have witnessed things that are now not something fish and wildlife would recommend as a good practice. But when I finally got to the back of the book here were the plans to a quite vessel that I hope will be a time machine everytime I get on her to pursue my outdoor plans at hand. Please give me candid thoughts of what I post. I good idea has to be heard. Thanks for coming along I've been waiting 6 years for this build.













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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2012, 06:26:12 PM »
The pics did not post in the order I thought. That is not me at the end it is the last known builder of these craft. More to come tomorrow!

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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2012, 06:28:48 PM »
That ply looks good.  What did you find?
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2012, 06:32:51 PM »
Man I wore the stack out at Home Depot! I was lucky they had just opened a new bundle and I went through 3/4 of it. Tomorrow I will start soaking the bow. I think I'm going to have to get creative for a big enough pool. Mommy is fixing to lose a raised bed for a few days. ;)

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Re: Building my Everglades Skiff
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2012, 06:48:55 PM »
Very cool project.

Is that a shopsmith in the backround?
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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2012, 06:53:00 PM »
Yes a Mark 5.

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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2012, 07:09:19 PM »
I just checked Amazon and eBay and GLADESMEN is available from both for from $15.45 to close to $2000 :-\.      I am tempted to order a copy just to follow along on the build and learn a little more about the Kephart of the Swamps :thumbsup:
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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2012, 07:14:22 PM »
I got a used copy yesterday off Amazon for 17 bucks.  I'm seriously thinking about a build too.  Stretching the dimensions just a bit.  My Lowes had crap for ply today.  Hit or miss on lumber quality these days.
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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2012, 07:17:38 PM »
I can tell you wolfy if you like to read you will enjoy this book. Now it's not written all about bushy stuff. there is some history involved. But to hear it from his prospective is the best part. My Papa used to fish lake Apopka down here when it was the Bass capital of the World. It's those kind of stories that get my attention. I know this is abit regional but so is Sears and Kephart. I've read all there works as well.

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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2012, 07:23:09 PM »
Max if you want wait a week or so and you can try mine out. I'm sure there are things that will be apparent to us. That will also give you time to pick through more piles of ply. But as I'm cutting this pattern out I'm looking at my Gehnoe and seeing this boats grandchild. Width I know is what your thinking but lets see how the length plays out.

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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2012, 07:23:16 PM »
Man I wore the stack out at Home Depot! I was lucky they had just opened a new bundle and I went through 3/4 of it.

LOL...I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who does that  8)  If your payin good money, you deserve good lumber!
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2012, 07:27:51 PM »
Dang right my friend. My Daddy wouldn't even go to one of those stores. But they killed our little guy lumber yards that had quality and knew where things where!
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Re: Building my Everglades Skiff
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2012, 07:29:16 PM »
I can tell you wolfy if you like to read you will enjoy this book. Now it's not written all about bushy stuff. there is some history involved. But to hear it from his prospective is the best part. My Papa used to fish lake Apopka down here when it was the Bass capital of the World. It's those kind of stories that get my attention. I know this is abit regional but so is Sears and Kephart. I've read all there works as well.

Makes no difference to me......it's the history of the men of the era that I love.  From taking a wooden dory down the Colorado to a wood/canvas down the Nahanni.....it's ALL good :cheers:
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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2012, 07:30:02 PM »
Max if you want wait a week or so and you can try mine out. I'm sure there are things that will be apparent to us. That will also give you time to pick through more piles of ply. But as I'm cutting this pattern out I'm looking at my Gehnoe and seeing this boats grandchild. Width I know is what your thinking but lets see how the length plays out.

My copy will get here middle of next week sometime.  couple days to read it.  Tap into the designs history.  So yes,  That'll be good to see your build.  I'm really looking to cut weight with a 4 or even 3 mm thickness.  epoxying some ribs in to stiffen is necessary.

Doncha love this part of the process of building? :)
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Re: Building my Everglades Skiff
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2012, 07:34:15 PM »
Wolfy.  My read on my first GC river trip was about John Wesley Powells first descent. 
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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2012, 07:37:59 PM »
Well there is a weight diff. I'm a 6'1 and 225lb tree climber with a touch of a tool shed. ;)

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« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2012, 07:46:35 PM »
Wolfy.  My read on my first GC river trip was about John Wesley Powells first descent. 

Yeah, would have been scary enough with TWO arms......unbelieva ble story :canoe:
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« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2012, 08:03:59 PM »
Don't take your young-ones out in that ....  >:D  >:D  >:D

I can't even count how many times I put my dad & grandfather "in the drink" on those.
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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2012, 08:34:19 PM »
My Dad had a saying" You have to be tuff when your dumb!"

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« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2012, 01:56:48 PM »
OK now I've made my temp pond and soaking the bow end. It has only been in an hour and is getting real flexable. I'm hoping in a few more hours it will be ready to meet the ends together. I don't want to rush but I would like it to be able to have time to dry out before Friday night. After a bow fishing trip I'd like to glass the bow together. And spend Saturday scarfing the aft and sides together.




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« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2012, 02:03:56 PM »
Ha ha. Brilliant solution to soak it in. :hail:
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« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2012, 03:10:44 PM »
Well that went alot faster than I thought it would! The bow is stitched!!!!!! :banana: :banana: :banana: Now to let it dry and tomorrow I'll start on the scarfs. At this rate I'll be Frog gigging in a couple of Thursday nights! I know matching the sides in will be a chore so that may take some time.







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« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2012, 03:25:04 PM »
DANG!  That was quick!!!  Great!  What thickness is that ply?
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« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2012, 03:27:47 PM »
1/4" man I put that thing in the water and went out after an hour and couldn't believe the spring it had. So gave it a few more and wala!

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« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2012, 03:29:55 PM »
I love that grain coming through.  Hope you can keep that.
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« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2012, 03:33:21 PM »
I like it too. What do you think if I stained it with a light green. Try to get that laminated stock effect? I love the looks of wood grain BUT I don't want to advertise to everyone going down the river where I take out at. O:-)

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« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2012, 03:38:44 PM »
If you stain go REEEEEEEAL light.  The epoxy will darken it some.  Regardless, you won't lose the pattern unless you really overdo the stain.
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« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2012, 03:43:21 PM »
When I get the hull sanded and filled we'll see if she's worthy of a transparent coat.

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« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2012, 04:23:53 PM »
Talked to the head carpenter at work and he's gonna give me a pail of fine sawdust. I can't imagine paying for "wood flour" not to mention paying postage.

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« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2012, 04:26:41 PM »
lol.  count yer blessings.  those "micro-balloon" fillers add up.
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« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2012, 04:31:58 PM »
I was gonna use it as a fine bead around the bow and sides. So it will hold enough to take out stitches. Is there another way? I"m just going by things I've read. The plans call for two big 1"x10' boards but again trying to keep weight down.

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« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2012, 04:48:47 PM »
I think the epoxy fillet with whatever filler you use is lighter and stronger than a wood piece you hafta compound bevel to fit well.
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« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2012, 04:52:40 PM »
I agree. I ordered a book that should be here tomorrow "fingers crossed" that is all about this process and plans for all type of canoe/kayak and small boats. I'll let you know if there are any cool designs.

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« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2012, 05:22:51 PM »
Amazing how well that formed &with no delamination .....
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« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2012, 05:26:49 PM »
Acara do you have any pics of the one you and you and Dad used?

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« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2012, 05:37:36 PM »
Acara do you have any pics of the one you and you and Dad used?

I'll have to call down and ask ... they are probably from the 110 instamatic or on Super-8 reel, if that tells ya anything.

The sad part is my dad gave our pole boat away when he moved from Miami to Sebring, five years ago.

Funny how I hated that thing as a kid & would give my left arm for it now.

My dad was a big wildliife photograpy buff & never missed an opportunity to photograph a gator .... unfortunately he was too frugal to buy a camera with a telephoto lens .....

... guess who got to lay over the bow to get those "great gator close ups" with a 110 instamatic   :-X


Also, just so you know ..... I remember bailing a lot on ours ...FWIW
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« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2012, 05:40:27 PM »
Was your boat this design ? What was different?

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« Reply #37 on: August 13, 2012, 05:41:25 PM »
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« Reply #38 on: August 13, 2012, 05:43:43 PM »
acara,

Please go here.

http://bladesandbushcraft.com/index.php/topic,2773.0.html       

LOL ... I don't quite have enough "experience" to qualify for that thread.

Super-8 and 110 film weren't that long ago, were they?

Maybe I'm just in denial  :'(, but I have a 1-year old ... .I can't be that old ...yet?
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« Reply #39 on: August 13, 2012, 05:45:34 PM »
ha ha.  Well, I saw you had experience in the old glades trans...
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« Reply #40 on: August 13, 2012, 05:50:23 PM »
Nice pics of the progress, things are lookin good so far SwampHanger
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« Reply #41 on: August 13, 2012, 05:54:24 PM »
Was your boat this design ? What was different?

Nose had a canvas cover (Bra?), that I had to wax with beeswax stick ... but I assume that was due to the age of the boat, or poor craftsmanship (nose leaked like a sieve without the cover)

No "front seat" like your picture, just a round crossmember

Stern had an elevated box (about 18" square) ...but that may mave been a mod.

Stern had two 2 x 4 verticall runners T about 18" on center. I'm positive that was a mod to the design. Dad welded two C-clamps to a cart axle so that you could flip the skiff over, attach the axle/wheels to the stern and push/pull the skiff over sandbars, flats & islands, with just one person (only had to lift & steer with the bow).
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« Reply #42 on: August 13, 2012, 05:57:40 PM »
It is coming along quite fast and great looking.
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« Reply #43 on: August 13, 2012, 05:58:47 PM »
ha ha.  Well, I saw you had experience in the old glades trans...

Yeah ... didn't know you could camp in places that were dry, had trees, or didn't involve losing a pint of blood to mosquitos, until I was a teenager and got to camp someplace other than ENP or Alligator alley  ;)

Needless to say ... I'm not so picky about my campsites as an adult  O:-)
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« Reply #44 on: August 13, 2012, 07:26:21 PM »
If it helps any ..... there is still a place that uses those pole boats for tours ...

http://www.evergladesadventuretours.com/

There are a couple of pics on the site, but honestly ... those are much "flashier" than anything I every saw/used
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« Reply #45 on: August 14, 2012, 02:33:44 AM »
Thanks acara those are the small Ghenoe's. I have the big model that I use for fishing freshwater and the flats at the Cape. It's just to big and heavy for really tight spots. It drafts great but add battery gas motor and all the crap it just ain't worth unloading for a two hour gigging trip.

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« Reply #46 on: August 14, 2012, 05:45:09 PM »
Got my book today.  Headed to Orlando for some better Ply in the next coupla days!
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« Reply #47 on: August 15, 2012, 09:35:36 AM »
Great man. I've got a screwy work schedule till tomorrow so I'll be back at it Thursday afternoon.

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« Reply #48 on: August 15, 2012, 10:32:32 AM »
Well, I guess I won't be "lofting" these detailed plans LOL.  Quote,"These lines are slightly curved, then become straight after a few inches."

love it.
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« Reply #49 on: August 15, 2012, 12:13:33 PM »
I hope I didn't misslead you with the book. The wording in the narrative of bow building could be better but it is something you have to reread once or twice. Just call me if any questions.