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Monthly Project - June 2013
« on: May 31, 2013, 01:55:17 PM »
It's that time again! :D


For the June project, you'll be making a wooden tent peg.  Most tarp rigging options require them, but very few tarps come with them. Tents often do, but they are thin, soft, flimsy metal that bends easily.


Your peg should meet the following criteria. It should...


Be made of wood collected in the outdoors.
Be notched to hold a line.
Be stout enough to be driven into hard ground without splitting or cracking.


Let's see some tent pegs!



« Last Edit: May 31, 2013, 02:16:00 PM by PetrifiedWood »

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Re: Monthly Project - June 2013
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2013, 02:01:55 PM »
Again , perfect timing.    I'm needing some pegs..but not for tarp.  heh.    I'm  needing them for holding down chicken wire in the garden.  Darn rabbits and deer just lift up that wire and munch away....    Bring on the peg makin! 


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Re: Monthly Project - June 2013
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2013, 04:27:32 PM »
Good this will be fun . Who doesn't like a good steak.
Edit, I got mine done but I am having trouble with uploading the pic's to my Google account. I will post when I can.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pf5mc3zz6salc85/5-31-13%20005.JPG
https://www.dropbox.com/s/t51c6qj48wk90ut/5-31-13%20003.JPG
https://www.dropbox.com/s/k3m3nzereofh0n5/5-31-13%20001.JPG
Getting closer. The pic's are in reverse order. Don't know how to post just a pic with dropbox yet.
« Last Edit: June 01, 2013, 04:04:33 PM by lgm »
What a great day to be outside.

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Re: Monthly Project - June 2013
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2013, 09:35:51 AM »
Tent pegs, I did not know that folks even used them any more, with the popularity of the dome tent.  Brings to mind a story, I am old and there are a lot of stories. .. One of the troopers I worked with and I had gone off on a Caribou hunt in the wilds of Alaska, we flew into a remote lake and were dropped off, with the promise from the pilot that he would return to pick us up in five days.  We set our tents up on a shelf above the lake, and in that country the only trees are right adjacent to water, this was on open tundra.

We didn't use tent pegs, but as a precaution we tied everything to the bushes that are everywhere on the tundra. It was early in the fall, with balmy daytime temperatures in the 40-50 deg. range. Not a cloud in the sky, and hardly a breath of air moving. Our first morning out we sallied forth to look for the wily Caribou.

About three hours walk from camp, the wind started to blow, then the sky darkened and within 20 minutes the temperature had dropped into the high 20s, the wind increased to about 30 knots, and it was snowing sideways. We made it back to camp, it was a good thing that we tied our tents down, because they were bobbing around in the wind like kites.

We moved our camp down by the lake into what trees there were, it stormed on and off the whole time we were there, but what the heck..that was Alaska, and we still had a great time, our five days turned into 10, because the plane could not get back in to where we were.

The only tense moment was one evening just before dark when a big Barren Ground Grizzly, wandered through ..

Tent pegs, oh yes a stick with a relatively  pointy part on one end.
 

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Re: Monthly Project - June 2013
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2013, 09:57:22 AM »
Good this will be fun . Who doesn't like a good steak.
Edit, I got mine done but I am having trouble with uploading the pic's to my Google account. I will post when I can.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pf5mc3zz6salc85/5-31-13%20005.JPG
https://www.dropbox.com/s/t51c6qj48wk90ut/5-31-13%20003.JPG
https://www.dropbox.com/s/k3m3nzereofh0n5/5-31-13%20001.JPG
Getting closer. The pic's are in reverse order. Don't know how to post just a pic with dropbox yet.


Looks good IGM.

I tried to see if I could get the pics to display, but for some reason the dropbox URLs don't want to work with the image tags.

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Re: Monthly Project - June 2013
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2013, 10:39:43 AM »
However .. If you need a tent peg, there is a lot of good dead stuff that is hard, and if you fire harden the points they will last for more than one or two uses.

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Re: Monthly Project - June 2013
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2013, 11:24:26 AM »
When you say 'hardened' , what are you doing to harden that pointed end?   Is it dipped into something?

I tried to use boxelder branches yesterday.  I cut the notch in , but when I went to pound it in, the part between notch and top broke off on the hook side  loosing my 'hook' for a rope.   So I tried again..and again the same thing.   Should the notch not go as far as the center of the stick?   Or is it just the boxelders characteristics to split along the red inner part?

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Re: Monthly Project - June 2013
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2013, 12:15:05 PM »
WW

You roughly shape your point and then you burn it in you camp fire. You then push it into the ground turn it a few times to remove the coals and you have a fire hardened point. Before we learned how to work stone that was the preferred method of making a spear point.  Probably not so much for arrow points.or atlatal dart points, because by the time we arrived at that level of technology, we were into the stone age. 

As for the preferred method of making tent pegs, that is open to some pretty wide interpretation.  Tent pegs should be driven in at an angle, in firm clay soil, there is no need for a notch, a good tight clove hitch will suffice.  The reason for the "hook" is that if you are setting up your tent on sand, you attach your tent rope and then drive the peg all the way down until hook comes into contact with the ground holding the tent rope "captive" so to speak. 
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Re: Monthly Project - June 2013
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2013, 04:14:13 PM »
Another tip is that on the top part of the stake, chamfer the edges so that it forms a sort of truncated cone. This helps prevent your hammer from splitting it as you drive it in.

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Re: Monthly Project - June 2013
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2013, 04:45:20 PM »
I have only fire hardened green wood. I just held it over the fire to force the moisture out not let it catch fire. I will give the other way a try, thanks.
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Re: Monthly Project - June 2013
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2013, 11:04:02 AM »
made this one out of oak.



you never know if you made a good one until you hammer it in

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Monthly Project - June 2013
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2013, 11:10:33 AM »
made this one out of oak.



you never know if you made a good one until you hammer it in



That turned out great OE :thumbsup:
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Re: Monthly Project - June 2013
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2013, 01:22:37 PM »
Well done. :thumbsup:

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Re: Monthly Project - June 2013
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2013, 01:25:22 PM »
Bearhunter

Actually you do know if you have a usable tent peg, with out pounding it into the ground. If you have made a few thousand of them over a number of decades.

I like making tent pegs out of dead material for two reasons, 1) why kill a potential tree for a tent peg. 2) In a pinch the dry dead stuff burns much better.

PW

I have some ideas for projects if they have not already been proposed.  One is the making of cord, it falls right in there next to the ability to make fire.  Where would your bow drill be with out cord, nothing but a bent stick.  Every one should have the rudimentary skill, to make a usable cutting instrument.  We get a little "hung up" on custom knives and hatchets.  The Neanderthal, pretty much had the world to them selves for around 250,000 years.  There is no indication, "that I know of", indicating they had any hafted tools. 

Maybe this is "plowed ground".. if so ...   

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Re: Monthly Project - June 2013
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2013, 01:33:04 PM »
Thanks for the comments guys. 

Bearhunter

Actually you do know if you have a usable tent peg, with out pounding it into the ground. If you have made a few thousand of them over a number of decades.

I like making tent pegs out of dead material for two reasons, 1) why kill a potential tree for a tent peg. 2) In a pinch the dry dead stuff burns much better.


John, I think your comment was more directed at my post BH quoted.  While I have certainly not made in the thousands of these I put that comment in there because I have made a couple that looked perfect and out of seasoned wood that split on the first hit due to worms being inside making hollow cavities that I didn't notice.   Seasoned wood is definitely the way to go if you can.  Another bonus to seasoned wood burning is if you make your tent pegs first you can save your small chips and curls you make from shaping them and you have your tinder ready for your fire.  Kill two birds with one stone...
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Re: Monthly Project - June 2013
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2013, 01:39:21 PM »
Cordage could be in the cards for a bit later in the year. I have some nettles coming up just outside my back fence and I will probably try harvesting them for cordage.

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Re: Monthly Project - June 2013
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2013, 01:42:29 PM »
OutdoorEnvy

I find adding all of the quotes to be a bit cumbersome, resulting in "me" not being sure who said what....

It is possible to have a good looking peg that will fail... but over time it is a bit like picking up your favorite revolver, you can tell by the weight it is loaded. .. after a few decades.!   I was paid very well for a portion of my adult life to carry a gun. We learn nothing from reading about it .. experience is the best teacher .. the highest institution of advanced studies is the "school of hard knocks".. .. J

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Re: Monthly Project - June 2013
« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2013, 01:47:54 PM »
PW

Nettles I have in great abundance, but they are not my first choice.   I am not sure how widely distributed the first choice is, that being"Indian Hemp", it grows quite prolifically on the river bottoms in Oregon.  It is easy to work with and the cord is very strong, it makes wonderful bow strings, and those have to sustain a great deal of repeated heavy loading.

I have pictures, but finding them may take a bit.

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Re: Monthly Project - June 2013
« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2013, 01:47:58 PM »
It is possible to have a good looking peg that will fail... but over time it is a bit like picking up your favorite revolver, you can tell by the weight it is loaded. .. after a few decades.!   I was paid very well for a portion of my adult life to carry a gun. We learn nothing from reading about it .. experience is the best teacher .. the highest institution of advanced studies is the "school of hard knocks".. .. J

Fair enough, no argument there on experience trumping everything else.  But out of a box of bullets you can't tell if there is a dud by holding it. 
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« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2013, 01:51:18 PM »
OutdoorEnvy

A testament to why I have been casting and reloading my own ammunition for 50+ years.  If it is one of mine it will work, I have bet my life on that..!

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Re: Monthly Project - June 2013
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2013, 01:55:01 PM »
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A testament to why I have been casting and reloading my own ammunition for 50+ years.  If it is one of mine it will work, I have bet my life on that..!

LMAO!  My brother-in-law is in law enforcement as well and he loads is own too for that very reason.

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« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2013, 02:06:43 PM »
OutdoorEnvy

As a retried career police officer, I can tell you for a certitude that the first time your brother in law shoots some one with a hand load he will be unemployed. 

I carried hand loads when I was a Trooper in Alaska, for the very big bears, and to dispatch highway injured moose. 

I have a high incidence of large predators where I live, and have no fear that my loads will work, but that is not the same as enforcing the "law of the land", which can put you directly in the "cross hairs" of the ACLU..

If you very from department issued ammunition you can find yourself "all alone".. 

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Re: Monthly Project - June 2013
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2013, 02:17:28 PM »
Well I don't know that he uses them while on duty.  I just know from his experience with the military and law enforcement he shoots a lot and says he has seen a lot of duds from factory ammo.  I'm sure he complies with the rules/regulations for duty as he's not the kind of person to go against them. 
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« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2013, 02:21:55 PM »
 OutdoorEnvy

As  career police officer, field training officer and fire arms instructor I hope your assessment is correct.   Policemen live under a "microscope" and there are people who's only reason for their existence is to point fingers at the police.

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Re: Monthly Project - June 2013
« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2013, 06:28:57 PM »
 :doh: I used this one because I couldn't find a finger pointing one. :) I am sure more often then not it's the middle finger they point at you.
My son wants to become a police officer. I don't think I could handle dealing with some of the people. Thank you for your survice.
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« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2013, 07:08:47 PM »
lgm

It is a difficult profession, and not many people who start the job stick it out to retirement.   It has it's rewards, I did a lot of search and rescue, and anytime you could "bring em back alive", that was as good as it got.

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Re: Monthly Project - June 2013
« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2013, 01:10:19 PM »
How about we get this thread back on track folks?

I did some trim trimming around my estate yesterday and had a pile of beech that I could use for a few pegs!



Here are the tools that I will be using! I just got the machete. It is as dull as my social life and I have started to sharpen it, but my hands and arm are fatigued from it!



Using knife - mission accomplished!



Using Gransfors Mini - mission accomplished!



Using machete - mission barely accomplished!



The tools-




If this was a real adventure, I would have tried to use slightly heftier sticks.

Good practice and sure beats sitting on my fat, lazy duff!




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Re: Monthly Project - June 2013
« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2013, 01:12:22 PM »
Looks good! That machete looks like a really handy size that will be a good tool once you get it sharpened.

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Re: Monthly Project - June 2013
« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2013, 01:28:06 PM »
PW

That is a handy size for a machete.  I spent a lot of my formative years using one.  I was paid a "bounty" for "bull thistles" and burdocks in the cow pasture, a machete was pretty close to the best tool.  I was cutting some brush one day and hit something quite hard at a vibration node for that blade and it snapped like it was made of glass.  I took it into the shop and ground a new point, it was about the same length as  the one pictured and just incredibly handy for making "tent pegs".. >:D
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Monthly Project - June 2013
« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2013, 03:20:42 PM »
Those look great MrT :thumbsup:
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Re: Monthly Project - June 2013
« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2013, 04:12:37 PM »
Nice Mr.T  those look great.  That knife looks hideous ;)
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Re: Monthly Project - June 2013
« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2013, 04:50:11 PM »
Those look great MrT :thumbsup:

Thank you!

I enjoyed chilling and knocking these out!

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« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2013, 04:52:32 PM »
Nice Mr.T  those look great.  That knife looks hideous ;)

Thank you!

Yeah.....that knife SUCKS!

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Re: Monthly Project - June 2013
« Reply #33 on: June 15, 2013, 07:43:10 PM »
Here's a quick peg and the knife I've used to make it.

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« Reply #34 on: June 15, 2013, 08:11:51 PM »
Nice one SB, that's a good lookin knife too
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« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2013, 11:08:09 PM »
Nice one SB, that's a good lookin knife too

Thanks!  ;)
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Re: Monthly Project - June 2013
« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2013, 07:50:32 AM »
Took a little longer to do mine.....








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Re: Monthly Project - June 2013
« Reply #37 on: June 24, 2013, 07:53:00 AM »
 :thumbsup: Crashdive123!


& man oh man .. I am drooling after seeing that reddish white custom knife...
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« Reply #38 on: June 24, 2013, 11:42:01 AM »
Way to go abo! :thumbsup:

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« Reply #39 on: June 30, 2013, 10:50:09 AM »
Thanks to everyone who participated in this months project. I really enjoyed seeing the pics of the tent pegs ya made!
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Looking forward to see what July'13 project is...
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