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1927 Segar Chemical Axe/Finished!
« on: December 07, 2013, 06:26:06 PM »
Post #13 for newest pics..

This is a jewel I've been needing to give some love for a while. I'm finally in a position to get some projects done and picked this one to finish first. As the title says, it's a 27 model Segar. Still has lots of life left and deserves a place in the house. I got the handle fitted today and thought I'd share my progress. Weather is suppose to be crappy so I should be able to get it finished up tomorrow.

Love the deep temper lines. They just don't make um like this no more.



The head is in pretty good shape and will take a keen edge with just a little effort.



Digging the almost 90 years old. Wish it could talk.



I'll post up my progress and also share the other one I started on too. :) Comments and suggestions welcome.

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« Last Edit: December 14, 2013, 07:08:22 PM by upthecreek »
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Re: 1927 Segar Chemical Axe
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2013, 06:29:15 PM »
Plenty of good steel left on that axe! Looks good so far. :thumbsup:

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Re: 1927 Segar Chemical Axe
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2013, 06:35:20 PM »
drool city baby   :drool:


I've got to get one of those sometime.  The steel is suppose to arguably be the best for an axe, ever.
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Re: 1927 Segar Chemical Axe
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2013, 06:41:38 PM »
Do you guys know any of the history behind the Sager?   Where were they made?   Why 'chemical'? :shrug:
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Re: 1927 Segar Chemical Axe
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2013, 06:47:21 PM »
I have a love affair with DB axes. That's a beaut!
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Re: 1927 Segar Chemical Axe
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2013, 06:53:18 PM »
info is a little scarce. This is straight off yesteryears.com


SOME HISTORY and INFORMATION RELATED TO WILLIAM J. SAGER AND THE MARKINGS and LABELS ASSOCIATED WITH THE SAGER AXES and CHEMICAL PROCESS AXES
By Tom Lamond ?
    Information related to William J. Sager prior to his involvement in the Warren Axe & Tool Company is quite sparse. It is known that he worked for or was involved in more than one company associated with the making of axes. One company was in Ohio and the others were in other parts of the Northeast, possibly North eastern New York State. That was prior to 1893 when he, along with three of his sons and his son-in-law founded the Warren Axe & Tool Co. The three sons that were involved were Frank, W. Ross and Martin Luther. His son-in-law was M. T. Christopher. Whether William J. Sager had additional children is not currently known.
   In 1895 William J. Sager, then of Warren, Pennsylvania, was issued a patent for a chemical treatment that was intended to reduce oxidation and prolong the finish of the metal that it was applied to. The process was actually a two part procedure. The first involved dipping the metal to be forged into a chemical mixture and then hammering the metal. That was done when the metal was very hot. The second stage was part of the quenching process implemented when the metal was heated to a red hot color after being tempered. The chemical solution was actually the quenching solution. The end result was a metal tool with a deep lustrous blue coloring that was claimed to be a higher quality and more durable than metal not treated in a similar fashion. The blue coloring itself was protected by a coating of clear finish. Although the process was most commonly associated with axes it was also used on other logging tools made by the Warren Axe & Tool Co.
    The exact year that the Warren Axe & Tool Co. started to utilize the process is not clear but is thought to be around the time Sager was issued a patent for the process. It may even have been prior to the actual issuance of the patent.  The earliest known labels referring to the process have been dated as being first used in 1895. That label was used until 1912 when it was replaced with a similar label that continued in use until 1950. In addition to the paper labels Sager Chemical Process axes were also stamped with any of a variety of impressions with the name and/or location of the company.
    Right around the turn of the century, between 1899 and 1904, another individual became involved in the company. He was Herbert P. Stone and his position was that of ?General Manager and Treasurer?. Although the specifics are not known Stone apparently rose to a position where he had the major control of the company. Whether Sager was forced out, bought out or elected to turn over his authority to Stone is not known.  In 1912 Stone was instrumental in establishing another similar company in Canada. It was called the Canadian-Warren Axe & Tool Co. and Stone himself was the man in charge. No mention of William J. Sager has been revealed thus suggesting Sager was not involved personally but his Chemical Process certainly was.
    Sometime around 1907 or 1908 William J. Sager became involved with another axe manufacturing company namely the Louisville Axe & Tool Co. In their advertisements they included a claim that they used a special chemical treatment that in certain respects affected the metal and protected it from oxidation while coloring it. In that case the final coloring is believed to have been brownish.
    A review of patents dated in 1896 (as noted in the advertisements) indicated they did not involve any treatment patent issued to William J. Sager but did refer to one related to the treatment of edge tools. It was issued to William K. Thompson of Alexandria, Indiana.
    It is currently believed that Sager procured the right to use that patented process and included a claim for that chemical treatment in the advertisements which in effect may have suggested it was the process commonly referred to as the SAGER CHEMICAL TREATMENT PROCESS. Research has shown that was not the case. The Thompson patent involved a coloring process that resulted in a brown patina being applied to the metal, supposedly to inhibit oxidation.

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Re: 1927 Segar Chemical Axe
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2013, 07:13:06 PM »
I would guess that you did a 'vinegarization' on that old Sager, Creek, but even so, that chemical process that ol' man Sager came up with must have worked to some degree.  That's a LOT older axe than I assumed it to be from the physical condition and lack of pitting that it shows!   

Thanks for the education! :thumbsup: :cheers:
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Re: 1927 Segar Chemical Axe
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2013, 11:02:06 PM »
Mine is a bit more beat up and 20 years younger!  It seems to be a different style as the cutting edge hangs lower then yours. The cheek is about the same thickness though. It's a wall hanger in my rustic living room But I still split down my fire wood with it. I wouldn't hesitate to put it back into full service with a handle and sharpening.





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Re: 1927 Segar Chemical Axe
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2013, 04:44:58 AM »
Very nice xj!  :thumbsup:

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Re: 1927 Segar Chemical Axe
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2013, 12:25:32 PM »
This is a jewel I've been needing to give some love for a while. I'm finally in a position to get some projects done and picked this one to finish first. As the title says, it's a 27 model Segar. Still has lots of life left and deserves a place in the house. I got the handle fitted today and thought I'd share my progress. Weather is suppose to be crappy so I should be able to get it finished up tomorrow.

Love the deep temper lines. They just don't make um like this no more.


The head is in pretty good shape and will take a keen edge with just a little effort.



Digging the almost 90 years old. Wish it could talk.


Creek  :chopwood:

Creek, Your Sager sure is a SWEEEET one. Many say that they just don't get any better than those older Sagers.
May she serve you well.

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Re: 1927 Segar Chemical Axe
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2013, 06:10:50 PM »
Thanks guys...well as you may guess I didn't get as much done today as I'd hoped. I did make so progress though.

Got the lanyard hole fixed up.



Pretty much got it ready to wedge. Sanded the handle and gave it a coat of linseed.





Did the last bit of clean up on the head. The other one I'm working on is beating me up so I stopped at this point so I don't screw it up.



I think it's going to turnout nice. Thanks for looking

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Re: 1927 Segar Chemical Axe/update
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2013, 06:40:10 PM »
 Someone mentioned vinegar. No patina tho. How did you get it cleaned up so nice? The rust on mine would almost wipe off with wd-40 I think.
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Re: 1927 Segar Chemical Axe/update
« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2013, 04:20:27 AM »
Someone mentioned vinegar. No patina tho. How did you get it cleaned up so nice? The rust on mine would almost wipe off with wd-40 I think.

This has been in the please fix me stack so long I'm honestly can't remember if I had to do anything other than rub it with the wire wheel..

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Re: 1927 Segar Chemical Axe/update
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2013, 07:07:19 PM »
I finished up the old Segar today. All I really needed to do was set the wedge, clean it a tad and give it a drink of linseed. Being as I'm hanging them in the house, it's edge isn't sharp yet but it is ready for just a little love from the belt and I think it will be crazy sharp. I wish the weather was better cause I just could get light on it to do it any justice. I'm pleased with the result.



The haft took on a really nice dark color. Wedged up nice and tight.





Another project down! Pics of this and his slightly younger brother in the axe pics thread!!

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Re: 1927 Segar Chemical Axe/Finished!
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2013, 07:15:07 PM »
Nice one creek.  That darker colored handle goes great with it.  Good job
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Re: 1927 Segar Chemical Axe/Finished!
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2013, 07:35:41 PM »
Nice one creek.  That darker colored handle goes great with it.  Good job
That's what I was going to say......the handle color is perfect for that head.  One of my favorites, so far! :thumbsup:
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Re: 1927 Segar Chemical Axe/Finished!
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2013, 08:01:30 PM »
I agree, it turned out great and I also really like the looks of the linseed treatment on the haft-super job Creek!

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Re: 1927 Segar Chemical Axe/Finished!
« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2013, 07:24:05 AM »
Creek, What's a good price to pay for and old Seager?
I was cking out some axe's at a flea market and found two, 1st is 1930's and 2nd is 1942. the 30's is in good shape, the other is a little beat up.
He wanted $70 for both or 45, for the 30's
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Re: 1927 Segar Chemical Axe/Finished!
« Reply #18 on: December 25, 2013, 07:42:06 AM »
If they are still hafted I'd say that's a good deal. If they are in good shape but need hanging that would be top of the mark. Honestly..I'd probably buy them.

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Re: 1927 Segar Chemical Axe/Finished!
« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2013, 07:50:56 AM »
Thanks, I need another axe, like I need another hole in the head.  ;D
I'll see if I can talk him down a little on the 30's.
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Re: 1927 Segar Chemical Axe/Finished!
« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2013, 09:17:58 AM »
I'll take any off our hands ya don't want. Use them all as your bargaining chip :)

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