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Offline Moe M.

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Preparing for hard times
« on: April 13, 2021, 04:37:55 PM »

 I know that we've discussed a time or two in the past about having an emergency pantry in the event of short term shortages, power outages, or storms such as twisters, hurricanes, blizzards, or earthquakes and such,  in many parts of the country within the last year we've experienced shortages of everything from toilet paper, cleaning supplies, to food products and ammo, most of us were pretty happy that we had well stocked pantries and a closet full of house hold stuff put aside "Just In Case".
 When the pandemic hit the US we all thought ok, another flu, we'll ride it out for a month or so and it'll be over,  well here we are almost a year later and it's still affecting us,  we can't gather,  have to wear stupid masks when in public, some food, and paper goods are still spotty,  professional office waiting rooms still don't have any reading materials, and the stand hear signs are still painted on the floors in most stores and banks.
 Now many items are late making it to stores because some dumb bell parked his boat in the middle of a canal for a couple of weeks,  Yah, I know, don't sweat the small stuff,  but is anyone paying attention to the political environment the new administration is setting us up for, or how many of our civil liberties have been put on hold, how about the presidents declaration this week that the Constitution is not Absolute, just what does that mean ?
 Another question that's troubling,  our economy has been brought to it's knees because of the businesses that were closed by pandemic limitations, the loss of tens of thousands of jobs through closing of the pipe line and restrictions placed on the coal, oil, and natural gas industry, and if that's not bad enough,  the new administration has spent trillions of dollars and is planning trillions and trillions more,  where are all those dollars coming from,  what is backing it up,  funny thing is nobody knows,  I asked the manager at my local bank while making a small deposit this afternoon,  she shook her head and laughed saying,  it's not backed, it's nothing more than monopoly money printed by the Fed as needed and all that's keeping our economic system afloat is low interest rates, higher inflation (soon to go Hyper) and a big IOU with your name on it.
 She explained,  if either one of the legs on this silly stool moves the economy crashes and the dollar stops being the worlds monetary currency,  then what ?
 Pretty scary stuff,  are any one of you making any extra preparations "Just in Case" ?   
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Re: Preparing for hard times
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2021, 05:27:04 PM »
Ooooooh Yeeeeeeah.  Started years ago.  I'm working on trade goods right now.  Little things become important.  Not going to list those but...
 
 I cleaned up and reseasoned an old cast iron pot for a good friend.  Now we have a LOT of eggs.
 
They have a huge garden twice a year.  A little help with the gardening work and we always have fresh veggies.  I may have to brush up on my goat milking skill set.

Trading some 300BLK supersonic (I need subsonic) for some ham radio equipment.

Ordered new trotlines today.

Got lotsa pellets for my .22 air rifle.

Always have enough cash on hand to get through that time when nobody really gets it. 

Pretty basic prepping.

ps Oh yeah... heirloom seeds.




 

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Re: Preparing for hard times
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2021, 08:04:27 PM »
Personally, it doesn't make much difference to us.  We are pretty much 'prepped' all of the time.  When you've farmed for most of your life, you tend to be in that camp out of necessity.  Just don't come knockin' at my door without proper B&B credentials or if you find yourself lacking in anything that you should have thought of since......or those essentials that you may have forgotten to include in the first place.   :P

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Re: Preparing for hard times
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2021, 11:38:31 PM »
We have everything here on the farm to survive for a time without any big problems.  My long term worry list has a few things and one of them is inflation.  If it takes off big time then things get shaky quickly. That worries me to a great extent.  I don't want to buy a new wheelbarrow to carry cash to the grocery store. 
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Re: Preparing for hard times
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2021, 04:15:23 AM »
No wheelbarrow needed, just bigger numbers


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Re: Preparing for hard times
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2021, 04:15:57 AM »
We have everything here on the farm to survive for a time without any big problems.  My long term worry list has a few things and one of them is inflation.  If it takes off big time then things get shaky quickly. That worries me to a great extent.  I don't want to buy a new wheelbarrow to carry cash to the grocery store.

My Dad grew up in Germany.  The Great Depression hit there harder than most places.  I remember Dad telling me the story of him collecting pennies.  He had collected a wheelbarrow full.  He took them to the store and exchanged them for one loaf of bread. 

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Re: Preparing for hard times
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2021, 06:25:14 AM »

  The major fly buzzing around my head is that all of the scary stuff is coming from different directions and almost all at the same time,  we find ourselves in a serious health pandemic,  a political up evil, and a looming economic disaster, we are loosing our Constitutional rights in rapid fire ever since the first of the year when this weaponized Chinese Flu was released on the world and all of this country's governors and mayors with a socialist bent decided to lock down businesses and restrict our movements.
 It getting so bad that I almost forgot about the riots, burning, looting, and violence of the major cities here in our country,  "they" call them protests,  but it's becoming more apparent that they were organized and staged for the express reason of creating confusion and fear.
 Tell me,  I was under the impression that we were pretty much past systemic racism in this country,  and now within a few months it's become a political game changer, what's happened to our world ?
 This week your President stated that your Constitution and the rights that it is supposed to protect is not absolute, he changed the meaning of our language, did you know that he's going to be spending another multi trillion dollars on infrastructure,  well that's not bad, fixing our roads and bridges while putting a few million Americans back to work is a good thing,  but wait, since he and "they" changed the meaning of the word infrastructure it no longer means roads and bridges or the electric grid,  what it refers to in todays new political language is all the government agencies charged with telling us what to do,  it means all the "new" immigrants flooding our boarders,  it means infusing poorer countries with billions of dollars in Aid, it means funding abortion clinics in third world countries.
 I guess I'm getting carried away again,  so,  we're loosing our rights, we will soon loose control over our currency and our personal economic freedom,  we're loosing our rights to own property,  we are restricted in our movements, being forced to get vaccinated, we're about to be forced to have a chip implanted in our bodies,  and forced to wear a mark proving that we have been vaccinated or face being cancelled in our society,  I'm starting to think that we've all fallen into Alice's rabbit hole,  or that I fell asleep in reality and have woken up in a never ending bad dream.         
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Re: Preparing for hard times
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2021, 06:59:20 AM »

  The major fly buzzing around my head is that all of the scary stuff is coming from different directions and almost all at the same time,  we find ourselves in a serious health pandemic,  a political up evil, and a looming economic disaster, we are loosing our Constitutional rights in rapid fire ever since the first of the year when this weaponized Chinese Flu was released on the world and all of this country's governors and mayors with a socialist bent decided to lock down businesses and restrict our movements.
 It getting so bad that I almost forgot about the riots, burning, looting, and violence of the major cities here in our country,  "they" call them protests,  but it's becoming more apparent that they were organized and staged for the express reason of creating confusion and fear.
 Tell me,  I was under the impression that we were pretty much past systemic racism in this country,  and now within a few months it's become a political game changer, what's happened to our world ?
 This week your President stated that your Constitution and the rights that it is supposed to protect is not absolute, he changed the meaning of our language, did you know that he's going to be spending another multi trillion dollars on infrastructure,  well that's not bad, fixing our roads and bridges while putting a few million Americans back to work is a good thing,  but wait, since he and "they" changed the meaning of the word infrastructure it no longer means roads and bridges or the electric grid,  what it refers to in todays new political language is all the government agencies charged with telling us what to do,  it means all the "new" immigrants flooding our boarders,  it means infusing poorer countries with billions of dollars in Aid, it means funding abortion clinics in third world countries.
 I guess I'm getting carried away again,  so,  we're loosing our rights, we will soon loose control over our currency and our personal economic freedom,  we're loosing our rights to own property,  we are restricted in our movements, being forced to get vaccinated, we're about to be forced to have a chip implanted in our bodies,  and forced to wear a mark proving that we have been vaccinated or face being cancelled in our society,  I'm starting to think that we've all fallen into Alice's rabbit hole,  or that I fell asleep in reality and have woken up in a never ending bad dream.       

Again, the irony is almost musing but rather droll. As a litany of contradictions and aberrant "thought" it suceeds. of course, I;n just taking things at face value so maybe the jokes on me.

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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2021, 07:36:26 AM »
We live in interesting times. Large scale change is often upsetting and rapid change often leads to chaos. While recognizing there is a certain perspective the few remaining active participants share it's also likely helpful to consider different ideas.

Folks can recognize problems and choose to do something or they can sit on the sidelines and whine . . . and everything in between. Personally, I want to know what causes the winds before arguing about which way they're blowing. To attempt that however, requires fact not just rehashing nonsensical "talking points".

Prepping in general makes as much sense as a winter coat - much appreciated when needed. How one preps is up tp them but it just seems responsible to me. A lot of the scenarios surrounding prepping however fall more in the (poorly) made for TV category than in real life.

As an example , more the 20 years ago major multidisciplinary conferences were held discussing pandemics and epidemics.  While there were differences of opinions there was unanimous consensus that sooner rather than later we'd be hit. The factual evidence was simply impossible for reasonable people to ignore.

Similarly, more than 25 years ago my partner at the time, a physicist specializing in atmospheric chemistry, was involved in international modeling of what is now known as Climate Change. Here again, the facts were simply impossible for reasonable people to ignore.

If folks recognize the benefit of planning for winter by getting a good winter coat they might also realize the best place to get one is not a store that only sells flip flops or take advice from someone who denies winter exists. That's not preparation, that's something else altogether.

So it goes. Some folks still refuse to accept fact for whatever reason but that approach in no way extends to the point where others ae obligated to board the same sinking vessel. Each is entitled to their say as long as it goes both ways.






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Re: Preparing for hard times
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2021, 11:54:27 AM »
onething i'd stop eating store bought bread or make my own strore wheat.

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« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2021, 09:33:36 AM »

   Being from the north eastern part of the country where we are used to temporary blackouts (can I still say black outs ?),  hard winter blizzards and ice storms, and seasonal hurricanes, flooding, the occasional twister, and economic down turns,  people up here (at least the older ones) have always by nature have some supplies put aside for such events.
  When I was a kid my parents and grand parents and one of my uncle's family kept a half acre victory garden every year since the big depression and before, they also kept allot of chickens for the eggs and meat, and they often raised a pig or a beef cow for butchering,  so naturally they canned heavily at harvest time and bartered some for bakery and dairy goods, so when ever money was tight or storms blew in we were never without the necessities, and from the time I was about seven yrs. old I hunted the area woods for small game to add to the pot,   my folks gladly kept me in .22RF ammo when ever I got low.
 Well today the area has built up,  there's a fair sized city not far away,  my small town and others like it haven't grown all that much in population,  but there aren't much left of open woodlands, most are posted and the entrances blocked or chained,  area lakes have become reservoirs and off limits to boating,  swimming, and fishing, and the raising of livestock in residential areas is forbidden, oh you can still have a garden, but you can't use town water to irrigate it, you have to have a well of some kind.
 Funny how things and attitudes change slowly over time, so slowly sometimes that it's not noticeable until you look back,  at one time town water was included in your property taxes, we had cesspools or septic systems for dark water, today I pay about $500.00 per quarter for water and sewer use,  yup. title five, no more septic systems or cesspools.
 No more land fill either,  for a while the town charged for trash pickup after the land fill closed, then the citizens complained about the trash collection costs,  so the town fathers listened, no more fees for trash removal, instead they raised property taxes and went back to "free" trash pick up.
 So for many of us that live in semi rural America and certainly for those who are unfortunate enough to live in the cities the growing and preserving of foods for the average family isn't as practical as it once was,  for most folks who prepare for emergencies these days that means a well stocked pantry for short term events, and a separate area for storing food and supplies for the long term.
 Many of us now who no longer grow and can surplus harvest have to get our emergency supplies from the super market, canned foods with one or more year shelf lives that can be used every day and rotated regularly, dried foods like rice, beans, and pasta,  soup bases and bullions,  and freeze dried prepared meals and sides, powdered milk and other drink mixes for variety,  while it sounds like allot it really isn't when stocked a little at a time with each regular trip to the grocery store.
 What about long term storage, this pandemic and it's year long effect on all of us especially in the beginning with paper goods, cleaning supplies, and empty food shelves have shown us that having to live through a long time event is allot more possible than most of us thought, thankfully the pandemic seems to be winding down and common house hold products and food are back on store shelves.
 But what about the next pandemic, what about a long term electric grid failure, a couple of states have been living with rolling blackouts for several years, what if it failed completely, no power means no communication long distance, manufacturing stops, orders don't get filled, trucks don't roll without fuel, refrigeration is all but shut down, it's happened before for a day or two, a week maybe, a month for some folks in the big Texas Freeze, but what if it's country wide and for a longer period of time, we find ourselves in strange times, with governments spending like drunken sailors and printing funny money to shore up failing economies, what if it all collapses, it's more possible today than it was a few scant years ago.
  How are you preparing for such an emergency, Are you preparing at all ?
           
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Re: Preparing for hard times
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2021, 10:33:20 AM »
I guess I'll go there. 
When SHTF everybody and their uncle are going to be out fishing and hunting very quickly if they have a fraction of experience.  It won't take long to deplete the wildlife.  Of course the only supply line is going to be local.  And it won't be long before some scum decide to "source" food from the farm.  No more supply line.

Seems like the best place to be is the in between.  In between the city and the country.  You might be able to hide a garden.  If you can't you will be raided.

Then there's the criminal element.  I've been saying for a while that if the gangs get organized, they will run over local law enforcement by sheer headcount.   I doubt many people realize how cold and brutal these gangs are.  Hey, Lone Wolf,  You're going to need a whole lot more armed people than just yourself to stay alive.  I don't care how many guns you have.

And the people with a condition that requires meds to live.  You're going to die.  The looters will strip the pharmacies very quickly.

And kids.  Little ones.  Anybody that has kids or have worked with kids know that's a full time job.  You're not going to fight off looters and take care of those little ones.  It makes me sick knowing what might/will happen to them. 

We learned a lot on our Pot and Machete Challenges.  While that's an extreme,  the mindset is the same.  You are  going to suffer.  Survival mode sucks.  You'll have to embrace the suck.  If you don't know what that means,  you don't have much time to figure it out.


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Re: Preparing for hard times
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2021, 05:06:58 PM »
Sometimes we just plain over think things.  There is no way any of us can prepare for, or even contemplate every possible future crisis.
That said, I feel it prudent to keep 6 months basics within reach.  Cash, meds, means of protection, food, water (and the means to produce potable water), batteries and solar.  That sort of stuff. 
Panic and fear won?t help.  Folks in Florida particularly should be so accoutered, what with yearly hurricanes.

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« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2021, 05:15:27 PM »

  Good points all.    :thumbsup:
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« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2021, 09:44:25 AM »

   Being from the north eastern part of the country where we are used to temporary blackouts (can I still say black outs ?),  hard winter blizzards and ice storms, and seasonal hurricanes, flooding, the occasional twister, and economic down turns,  people up here (at least the older ones) have always by nature have some supplies put aside for such events.
  When I was a kid my parents and grand parents and one of my uncle's family kept a half acre victory garden every year since the big depression and before, they also kept allot of chickens for the eggs and meat, and they often raised a pig or a beef cow for butchering,  so naturally they canned heavily at harvest time and bartered some for bakery and dairy goods, so when ever money was tight or storms blew in we were never without the necessities, and from the time I was about seven yrs. old I hunted the area woods for small game to add to the pot,   my folks gladly kept me in .22RF ammo when ever I got low.
 Well today the area has built up,  there's a fair sized city not far away,  my small town and others like it haven't grown all that much in population,  but there aren't much left of open woodlands, most are posted and the entrances blocked or chained,  area lakes have become reservoirs and off limits to boating,  swimming, and fishing, and the raising of livestock in residential areas is forbidden, oh you can still have a garden, but you can't use town water to irrigate it, you have to have a well of some kind.
 Funny how things and attitudes change slowly over time, so slowly sometimes that it's not noticeable until you look back,  at one time town water was included in your property taxes, we had cesspools or septic systems for dark water, today I pay about $500.00 per quarter for water and sewer use,  yup. title five, no more septic systems or cesspools.
 No more land fill either,  for a while the town charged for trash pickup after the land fill closed, then the citizens complained about the trash collection costs,  so the town fathers listened, no more fees for trash removal, instead they raised property taxes and went back to "free" trash pick up.
 So for many of us that live in semi rural America and certainly for those who are unfortunate enough to live in the cities the growing and preserving of foods for the average family isn't as practical as it once was,  for most folks who prepare for emergencies these days that means a well stocked pantry for short term events, and a separate area for storing food and supplies for the long term.
 Many of us now who no longer grow and can surplus harvest have to get our emergency supplies from the super market, canned foods with one or more year shelf lives that can be used every day and rotated regularly, dried foods like rice, beans, and pasta,  soup bases and bullions,  and freeze dried prepared meals and sides, powdered milk and other drink mixes for variety,  while it sounds like allot it really isn't when stocked a little at a time with each regular trip to the grocery store.
 What about long term storage, this pandemic and it's year long effect on all of us especially in the beginning with paper goods, cleaning supplies, and empty food shelves have shown us that having to live through a long time event is allot more possible than most of us thought, thankfully the pandemic seems to be winding down and common house hold products and food are back on store shelves.
 But what about the next pandemic, what about a long term electric grid failure, a couple of states have been living with rolling blackouts for several years, what if it failed completely, no power means no communication long distance, manufacturing stops, orders don't get filled, trucks don't roll without fuel, refrigeration is all but shut down, it's happened before for a day or two, a week maybe, a month for some folks in the big Texas Freeze, but what if it's country wide and for a longer period of time, we find ourselves in strange times, with governments spending like drunken sailors and printing funny money to shore up failing economies, what if it all collapses, it's more possible today than it was a few scant years ago.
  How are you preparing for such an emergency, Are you preparing at all ?
         

Well said Moe. Very well said.

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Re: Preparing for hard times
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2021, 02:18:57 PM »
anyhow my 2,cents on this.
this time we'll need a pickup bed not a wheel barrel.
hence get your wheat now and learn to bake and yeast too of course.
fats protiens starches. though food has gone crazy in price on many items.
next year many and i mean many food items may not even be available, think about that for a moment.

what we are wittnessing is the deliberate destruction of our nation
as it says in scripture we are to gird up our loins. this is real.

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Re: Preparing for hard times
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2021, 05:21:02 PM »
anyhow my 2,cents on this.
this time we'll need a pickup bed not a wheel barrel.
hence get your wheat now and learn to bake and yeast too of course.
fats protiens starches. though food has gone crazy in price on many items.
next year many and i mean many food items may not even be available, think about that for a moment.

what we are wittnessing is the deliberate destruction of our nation
as it says in scripture we are to gird up our loins. this is real.

 It is very real,  and it's very scary. 
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