The End Of An Era

[boomer]

No, another era.

Alex Jones and Infowars has been sued into oblivion. Finally. 
Even though he claims he will fight on he likely won't be able to do that once his hidden assets are tracked.  The J 6 insurrectionists trials are ongoing and some of the major players are looking at some serious time outs. The J6 committee is wrapping up and while the evidence is obvious the eventual outcome is not. Our former prez is slowly but surely being deconstructed while our current prez keeps tottering on.

We're learning to live with COVID-19  as we have with Influenza although long term effects remain to be seen. And as alway, Military conflicts large and small abound.

The forests and range in the SW are no longer on fire and most of the high country is reopened but not in great shape. Pretty rough shape actually.  The climate problems move closer all the time but denial is fading quickly in the face of reality.

It's the midterm political season and turn out will hopefully be higher than most in the past, who knows? Regardless of how the votes go Citizens will still complain. That's what we do.

The winter garden has hundreds of Kale sprouts and the weather remains good so far - nothing survived the summer heat this year. Nothing to give away but maybe ...

All in all life rolls on and things change as they must. There's wood for the winter, pantry is full and family is healthy. No complaints.

It seems our nation is hopefully coming out of a very stressful time for a lot of reasons. There is much we can learn if we choose.

That might be a hood idea all around.

[Moe M.]

No, another era.

Alex Jones and Infowars has been sued into oblivion. Finally. 
Even though he claims he will fight on he likely won't be able to do that once his hidden assets are tracked.  The J 6 insurrectionists trials are ongoing and some of the major players are looking at some serious time outs. The J6 committee is wrapping up and while the evidence is obvious the eventual outcome is not. Our former prez is slowly but surely being deconstructed while our current prez keeps tottering on.

We're learning to live with COVID-19  as we have with Influenza although long term effects remain to be seen. And as alway, Military conflicts large and small abound.

The forests and range in the SW are no longer on fire and most of the high country is reopened but not in great shape. Pretty rough shape actually.  The climate problems move closer all the time but denial is fading quickly in the face of reality.

It's the midterm political season and turn out will hopefully be higher than most in the past, who knows? Regardless of how the votes go Citizens will still complain. That's what we do.

The winter garden has hundreds of Kale sprouts and the weather remains good so far - nothing survived the summer heat this year. Nothing to give away but maybe ...

All in all life rolls on and things change as they must. There's wood for the winter, pantry is full and family is healthy. No complaints.

It seems our nation is hopefully coming out of a very stressful time for a lot of reasons. There is much we can learn if we choose.

That might be a hood idea all around.

 LOL, as this forum continues to breath it's last (I've logged on most of the week to not one new post save for a couple of knots) a now at weeks end I finally have one post to read, and that as usual from our own Mr. Boomer is a steaming pile of Bull$hitt.
 He speaks about the J-6 committee with affection when all it is in reality is a mock trial being conducted by some of this country's worst enemies, a conglomerate of socialist/communist/cabal enablers who hate this country because it stands in the way of their Great Reset agenda, and their principle mission is the total destruction of the man who put a monkey wrench into their way in 2016 by defeating the Radical Lefts Wicked Witch of the New World Order and total control over the planets human species, I know, it sounds like a script right off of Rod Serling's desk, but, that's how determined, corrupt, and totally NUTs they've become.
 President Donald J Trump has to be destroyed politically, economically, and most of all as the standard bearer of American self rule along with anyone who supports the United States Constitution which according to Boomers friends in DC and across the communist world is obsolete, outdated, and stands in the way of what they call equity.
 Oh, they talk about the Political Right with distain, they call them Deplorables, Domestic Terrorist, Criminals, and traitors, they talk about democracy and forget to mention the Republic, they claim to enshrine the Constitution while they do their best to destroy it amendment by amendment, the First amendment has just about been eliminated under their administration, Boomer talks about the demise of Alex Jones and Infowars like it is a great victory, victory over what, I'm no fan of Alex Jones or his ilk, but in America he has a First amendment constitutional Right to free political speech does he not, well, not anymore, the First amendment also protects the right of the people to assemble, to air their political concerns, also gone under the Radical Left, the present administration, and the current president, if you as an American dear to speak out against the socialist takeover of this country this administration's weaponized Justice Dept. and many federal agencies will charge you with some trumped up criminal charge, freeze your assets and bankrupt you, or they may show up at your door in the middle of the night with armed agents and arrest you, or maybe they will just sue you in to oblivion like they did to Alex Jones, it's call Cancell Culture, and it's a favored weapon of the Radical communist left in this country.
 Theirs is a multi pronged agenda, they are attacking religion, anything moral, they are turning our children into America hating mindless trolls that don't even know what gender they should be, they are using our schools as teaching tools for all that is immoral and teaching our kids that they shouldn't trust or listen to their parents, and they have actually taken parents right to decide what is best for their children.
 The Second amendment is again under fire, the Radical left is so afraid of an armed society (they can't use federal military against civilians, so they are attempting to disarm The People, and they have spent billions of our tax dollars to stock pile millions of round of ammunition and hundreds of thousands of small arms to arm every gov. employee in every gov. agency to act as a new domestic police militia to put down any and all civil protests that they might view as potentially violent against their agenda.
 And the other amendments included in the US Bill of Rights that protect you and me against government overreach have also been diluted, your privacy, your papers, your assets, your right to face your accusers, even your most personal conversations are now being monitored as will this simple post, we Americans have never been closer to losing our freedoms and our country than we are right now.
 It doesn't take a genius to figure out that we are under attack economically and politically, this administration is spending us into oblivion, they have caused the inflation that is leading us into a huge recession that will cause a great depression (so says economist and world banks across the globe, even our own Fed), your speech has been squashed, your right to assemble is being hampered, you are being disarmed which will negate self rule in this country, the First amendment insures your right to assemble, to air your grievances, to worship as you please, to rear your own children as you want to, to be safe in your home and in your papers, to be free from warrantless searches, seizures and arrests.
 And what about Climate Change, Yes, it's real, No it not man made, it's just the nature of change on this planet, it's happened in the past and will happen again in the future, then what is all this Global Warming/Climate Change that Mr. Boomer continues to lament about, well it's a very cleaver plan to enlist the most successful exchange of wealth the world has ever known, People across the globe are being bilked out of trillions of their Tax dollars to support the most corrupt nations and entities in the world, and part of which is being used to rob us all of our most valuable assets, that being our Liberties and Freedoms, and our personal ability to better our lives for ourselves and our families, Pay Attention folks.

 Thank you Boomer for being a supporter and enabler for the biggest criminal enterprise of all time, I truly believe that you do what you do without malice, that you along with a whole bunch of other folks have been duped by the dark side, I can only pray that you come to your senses and open your eyes to the truth.
 

[boomer]

Nice to hear from you Moe, thank you.
 
There are certainly real problems these days but it seems Citizens are increasingly coming to our senses and returning to reality in steadily growing numbers. One can hope anyway.

After more than 1 million fellow Citizens in The Homeland died from Covid related illnesses and a failed coup attempt it is good we move forward, I think. It will take some time to assess the long term effects of Covid as well as the damage to the democratic structure of our Republic.

The judgement against Alex Jones might well indicate the end of an era grounded in constant lies, vitriol and absurd conspiracy tales much as occurred when McCarthy was finally humiliated. But unfortunately, things can take some time to wind down and damage takes time to repair.

Ex President Trump will necessarily be deconstructed in addition. I can see no way around it. Of course, some Citizens will cry foul but it seems inevitable.

Even if we woke up tomorrow and all of this was a done deal we'd still have to deal with the fact 3 people in The Homeland controls more wealth than >50% of our entire population.

So it goes.

I don't know about your area but there are no firearms being confiscated in mine. Not. A. Single. One

[Moe M.]

Nice to hear from you Moe, thank you.
 
There are certainly real problems these days but it seems Citizens are increasingly coming to our senses and returning to reality in steadily growing numbers. One can hope anyway.

After more than 1 million fellow Citizens in The Homeland died from Covid related illnesses and a failed coup attempt it is good we move forward, I think. It will take some time to assess the long term effects of Covid as well as the damage to the democratic structure of our Republic.

The judgement against Alex Jones might well indicate the end of an era grounded in constant lies, vitriol and absurd conspiracy tales much as occurred when McCarthy was finally humiliated. But unfortunately, things can take some time to wind down and damage takes time to repair.

Ex President Trump will necessarily be deconstructed in addition. I can see no way around it. Of course, some Citizens will cry foul but it seems inevitable.

Even if we woke up tomorrow and all of this was a done deal we'd still have to deal with the fact 3 people in The Homeland controls more wealth than >50% of our entire population.

So it goes.

I don't know about your area but there are no firearms being confiscated in mine. Not. A. Single. One

 Good afternoon Boomer,

 I usually log in only once a day but I made an exception today because I wanted to add "In my opinion" to the end of my last post.
 You are right about Covid related deaths in this country if the numbers are to be believed, 1,060.000 to be exact, what you forgot to mention was the cause of the pandemic which was China's negligent security and Ex President Obama's collusion with Antony Fauchi to fund the development of a weaponized biological agent, again the path leads to the Radical lefts door step.
 As far as Alex Jones and his Infowars program, I can agree in part with your allegations of his shows content, but he still had a right to produce and air it much the same as any other journalistic reporting be it the New York Times, CNN, or the Enquirer under the first amendment.
 President Trump may very well be complicit in the wrong doing that the Radicals are trying to hang on him, but it's looking more like the FBI and Joe's justice dept are headed to court to answer questions about their own lies PDQ, every day that goes by seems to bring more anger and fear to the dem's new guard, things should be pretty interesting on the morning of November 4th. or there abouts.
 Let me ask you, just how many people would it take to control the greatest portion of 50% of the nation's wealth that would make you happy ?
 As far as confiscating guns go technically speaking, you're right, no guns are being confiscated on a wholesale basis, but more Blue states are banning the sale of certain guns to civilians, the state next to me has just made BB gun, pellet guns, and airsoft guns that shoot light weight plastic BB's on the list of restricted weapons as real powder burning firearms, they are also abusing the newer Red Flag laws to take civilians arms away from them, MA., CT., and RI have just banned the sale of what they deem to be assault style weapons, and made possession of high cap magazines a major crime, that stinks of Infringement in my understanding since the founders reasoned that The People should possess small arms equal to those of the military is Self Rule is to be insured.
 And why I wonder, maybe you know the answer, why has the government stock piled millions of rounds of small arms ammo and hundreds of thousands of guns to arm most all federal employees in most federal agencies when at the same time they are trying very hard to disarm the American populace ?

 And BTW Boomer, be honest, It's not really nice to hear from me, and quite frankly I doubt very much that Thank You are the words you were thinking when you posted the above. 

[boomer]

Good morning Moe, thank you for the responses so far.

Despite your incorrect assumptions about hearing from you here , I do appreciate it.

It is often worth hearing a different take on things, especially these days. There have been  times when I find what you've posted both informative and interesting - as long as the subject is not political or socially oriented. Posts in these areas seem to be untethered from reality often devolving into conspiracy along with fabulist claims and conjecture.

i freely admit I don't understand why that is. I'm not offended by it but cannot help but notice and wonder how it "works"... Internal contradictions to the arguments aside.   Of course, you are hardly alone in this and in the past these traits have constituted the (claimed) majority opinion here. You just tend to be a little farther out there.



But to answer your question regarding the distribution of wealth in our society, I think a faiir day's pay for a fair day's work is not unreasonable. Any business that accepts or relies on some degree of public subsidies (as all must) that refuses to pay employees a living wage should not be chartered to do business. Citizens amassing great wealth are the basis of an oligarchy or aristocracy and as such quickly become a threat to democracy as effective control of the Commonwealth is inevitability usurped. The consolidation of essential markets has made this possible. We used to break up trusts and we used to tax Citizens back to equity but that is no longer the way.  And yes, taxes can be confiscatory and no, inflated claims of "market forces" and trustbusting are not assaults on individual private property holdings.

We are witness to fundamental changes in society. The issues raised by these changes require we come together to meet them head on. A couple of the issues we face are clearly existential in nature. To continue as we are is merely suicidal, which is an option some seem to prefer right now.

The responsibilities of Citizenship are not to be taken lightly or assumed as given. Our responsibility to those who follow is to leave our nation and world a better place. That requires dealing in fact not fantasy. There is much to be done and the clock is ticking.

In the meantime its raining again in the high desert and the winter garden is happy. So am I.

The best to you and yours.
   

[Moe M.]

 Well Boomer, it's good to hear you finally admit that you are a socialist at heart, as far as you not understanding my views on political and social values, or why I believe that the Radical left not only in this country but world wide has in it's agenda a plan to "Fundamentally Transform our world economically, socially, and politically, to do away with independent governments and individual rights.
I don't believe that I am wrong in thinking that an organized group of world leaders, corporations, and very wealthy individuals have formulated a plan as has been in the process of implementing that plan for a couple of decades, organizations such as the UN, WHO, World Economic Forum, and a few lessor organizations have been working hard to fund campaigns and install radical socialist/communist office holders that further their plans.
To get into details would take more time a space than time and this forum allows, and you would likely not accept them anyway, in your posts you are very polite, almost never rude, and I try hard to emulate your manner, I'm not always successful, for that I apologize, but you do test my patients sometimes, however, I think I understand why we seldom agree.
For one thing I believe you have a deep sense of fairness, you believe strongly that business while allowed a modest profit should be regulated, a cap placed on profit and that their primary goal should be not to make money but to further society, on the other hand I believe in Capitalism, that the market should and left alone is self regulating, and if an individual or corporation becomes filthy rich more power to them.
I believe that you see inequity and blame it on the wealthy and on business, I see inequity and accept it as part of life, some people don't have the same opportunities as other, some are born to money while others are born in poverty, some are born with the ability to reach greatness, others are born without those skills, that life, it's nobodies fault, but usually hard work and a little luck can go a long way.
I look around at what this new breed of New world order folks are doing and see corruption and lies, I see what their leadership has done to this great country and I get angry, I believe you see the same failures and blame it on the political right and on Capitalism for being obstructionist to their agendas 2021, 2030, and 2050.
Perhaps we see things differently because of our backgrounds, you probably received a very liberal education and worked allot with theory, I on the other hand was trained in the law, in working with facts not theory, in real evidence not what some socialist professor lectured on, your problem is that you are fixated on what should be, I on the other hand am fixed in the reality of what is.
And what is my friend, is a world tipped upside down, and the facts entered into evidence is that every time in our history that things have gotten this bad it been the political left that's been at the wheel.

[boomer]

Thank you Moe.

Socialist? Probably not as much as you suppose. No more than a Capitalist. Humanist, Democratist, Constitutionalist and similar labels might be closer. One thing I am not however, is a modern Liberal. Nor do I come from wealth - just the opposite. What initial higher education at public institutions I have acquired has been the result of work, the GI Bill and native ability along with determination. For all of which I am grateful. It might surprise you to learn higher education can be just as Conservative minded as any other group.

The "free market" concept you allude to is not and never was intended to be anything more than a philosophical argument. A thought experiment. It was no more intended as policy than Xeno's paradox was for travel planning.
The simple fact is while both ideas illustrate a point they have no real world application. Those credited with the thought experiments understood as much.

One of the benefits of education is the recognition and acceptance the the more we learn the less we know. Age and experience teach us that by themselves. The school of life is sufficient. And the diiference between knowing and understanding is fundamental.

It is obvious not all who like music have the talent of Mozart.  But the goal of our society is supposedly equality of opportunity. The structural inequities of our society however, often argue against the recognition of that goal.

As a former LEO trained to deal in fact you must certainly recognize the how and why crime is so profitable once we move much above street level. You must also recognize Justice is far from blind and in practice tends to be very deferential. We make an example of someone on occasion who grossly oversteps or harms the wrong group but that can hardly be news.

We might similarly say the facts of human contributions to Climate disruption are ignored because of the well understood and anticipated inconveniences produced. Both are understandable simply because that is the way we are.

I appreciate  the nod to politeness. It is  intended as a sign of respect. Respect I believe everyone deserves. It is because of respect for others that concerns with democracy, equality of opportunity and before the law, and participation in our commonwealth are important to me.

I have been fortunate to travel a bit in my time. Having met and or observed many different people of many different circumstances and stations of societies, I found everywhere people are just people

Im ok with that. How can we not be?

[Moe M.]

Thank you Moe.

Socialist? Probably not as much as you suppose. No more than a Capitalist. Humanist, Democratist, Constitutionalist and similar labels might be closer. One thing I am not however, is a modern Liberal. Nor do I come from wealth - just the opposite. What initial higher education at public institutions I have acquired has been the result of work, the GI Bill and native ability along with determination. For all of which I am grateful. It might surprise you to learn higher education can be just as Conservative minded as any other group.

The "free market" concept you allude to is not and never was intended to be anything more than a philosophical argument. A thought experiment. It was no more intended as policy than Xeno's paradox was for travel planning.
The simple fact is while both ideas illustrate a point they have no real world application. Those credited with the thought experiments understood as much.

One of the benefits of education is the recognition and acceptance the the more we learn the less we know. Age and experience teach us that by themselves. The school of life is sufficient. And the diiference between knowing and understanding is fundamental.

It is obvious not all who like music have the talent of Mozart.  But the goal of our society is supposedly equality of opportunity. The structural inequities of our society however, often argue against the recognition of that goal.

As a former LEO trained to deal in fact you must certainly recognize the how and why crime is so profitable once we move much above street level. You must also recognize Justice is far from blind and in practice tends to be very deferential. We make an example of someone on occasion who grossly oversteps or harms the wrong group but that can hardly be news.

We might similarly say the facts of human contributions to Climate disruption are ignored because of the well understood and anticipated inconveniences produced. Both are understandable simply because that is the way we are.

I appreciate  the nod to politeness. It is  intended as a sign of respect. Respect I believe everyone deserves. It is because of respect for others that concerns with democracy, equality of opportunity and before the law, and participation in our commonwealth are important to me.

I have been fortunate to travel a bit in my time. Having met and or observed many different people of many different circumstances and stations of societies, I found everywhere people are just people

Im ok with that. How can we not be?

  You know what they say about walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, acts like a duck, what else could it be.   
But don't take my word for it ask someone else, an independent perhaps, certainly not another socialist.   

[boomer]

I suppose if by socialism you mean things like police and fire departments, sidewalks and highways, public education and libraries, SSi and Medicare then yes,  I do support those things.

Thr irony, of course, of a retired LEO going on about socialism is entertaining even if likely unintentional. It doesn't really bolster credibility you know.  Have you ever considered refusing the checks anywhere along the line? Or perhaps refused to hunt, hike or camp on public lands or in national forests or only travel on toll roads or not put petro in your vehicle due to the subsidies the industry receives? 'Im going to guess not. Could be mistaken - you tell me.

[Moe M.]

I suppose if by socialism you mean things like police and fire departments, sidewalks and highways, public education and libraries, SSi and Medicare then yes,  I do support those things.

Thr irony, of course, of a retired LEO going on about socialism is entertaining even if likely unintentional. It doesn't really bolster credibility you know.  Have you ever considered refusing the checks anywhere along the line? Or perhaps refused to hunt, hike or camp on public lands or in national forests or only travel on toll roads or not put petro in your vehicle due to the subsidies the industry receives? 'Im going to guess not. Could be mistaken - you tell me.

  OK, that proves it, when a socialist doesn't want debate about their real radical anti constitution leanings they resort to the Socialist Playbook under dodges.
   No none of those programs are in any way tied to the type of socialism that you and your Collectivist ilk are to supporting, sometimes you almost appear to be a moderate left winger, but then you sometimes let the commie in you come out, this is one of those times when you need to be ignored.
  I'm done with you for a while.   

[boomer]

Thank you, Moe but "socialist" to " commie" in the same breath?

Given your response is merely ad hominem  invective is it fair to say you cannot answer the questions? There was no "dodging" at all. Maybe the questions hit too close to home?

Socialism is certainly alive in well in The Homeland but only for the wealthy. The rest of us are subjected to the rawest forms of bare knuckle capitalism. Nothing particularly new in that observation.

The real problem we have is we're all in the same boat but seem determined to row in different directions. Some have apparently decided to jettison the oars and sink the boat entirely if they don't get their way.  That's not a good plan et here we are again.

When the usual response to an argument is name calling (conflating a couple of poorly understood political theories and extensive projection in the process) more than they intend or realize is  revealed.

Differences aside, the best to you and yours fronfrom a non socialist, non commie fellow Citizen

[hayshaker]

holy cow BOOMER this is not the fourm for you I think it be best to movvvvvvvvvvve along.

[boomer]

Thank you Hayshaker, 
 I understand   some of the political/social opinions may not be quite in line with the few remaining participants but adhering to a preferred regressive political stance is not a listed requirement as far as I'm aware. Nor is accepting nonsensical claims about any subject or responding to ad hominem attacks arising from differing opinions.

Im not ashamed to state I believe in democracy or that I proudly served my country by leading men in combat , that i steadfastly support our Constitution or that I do not support in any way shape or form the failed coup attempt after the last presidential election. And I certainly won't be lectured at by those who do .. especially when they claim to be "patriots" as is often the case.

While there is a recognized degree of latitude regarding the bounds of general discussion it often seems to extend in only one direction. i think that observation is supported by the constant derogatory labeling in which I do not participate. An issue that may have some bearing on the once robust site's demise.

These are interesting times indeed. Consideration and comity in discourse is important as always. That doesn't mean however, one must necessarily pledge fealty to or display obeisance towards the most regressive aspects of our Citizenry regardless of how insistently demanding they are.

I always strive to make the same point - we are all in this together. That doesn't imply I'm anyones doormat

[crashdive123]

You're still here and posting.  I think that speaks volumes to the "degree of latitude regarding the bounds of general discussion ".

[Moe M.]

You're still here and posting.  I think that speaks volumes to the "degree of latitude regarding the bounds of general discussion ".