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General Discussion / Re: RE: Again with the politics
« Last post by madmaxine on Yesterday at 02:57:04 AM »
 :banana: :camp: :banana: :thumbsup:
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General Discussion / Re: RE: Again with the politics
« Last post by wolfy on May 06, 2021, 07:30:03 PM »
The Dude & I both abide! 8) 8)
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General Discussion / Re: RE: Again with the politics
« Last post by Moe M. on May 06, 2021, 05:50:47 PM »
I will just say that most of us have been here for many years, and if you went back through every post we've made here, only a tiny percentage of them have been political in nature, or posted in response to a political post.   But when you look at the post history of a member and it is mostly political posts with a few token bushcraft posts thrown in, it leads me to believe that person has a political agenda for their interaction here; Especially when the time and consideration (and volume of text) in the politically oriented posts demonstrate a much greater care and attention to detail than the halfhearted attempts at actual, topical discussions.

So, like I said, I want everyone to feel comfortable talking about the things that they would around a campfire, but one of the big features of campfire talk is that generally, you don't go camping with people you disagree with.  Here, we are an open forum. 
I have been thinking a lot about how certain changes have occurred in our society, and I think a lot of those changes were brought about by people attacking our society by using our own rules against us.  And by holding us to standards that work well when people aren't actively trying to undermine us.  I think at some point you just have to embrace hypocrisy and understand that the only real rule is self-preservation. 

"Fairness" is an artificial human construct.  I have endeavored to be fair in the past.  Now I will endeavor to preserve what remains of our forum for our long time members, even if taking such actions isn't "fair".  It won't be fair, but it will be effective.

 Good points all,  I can abide that.   :thumbsup:
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General Discussion / Re: RE: Again with the politics
« Last post by Moe M. on May 06, 2021, 05:48:58 PM »
Moe I agree they can say whatever they want but I can also choose to not listen to their BS.

   :thumbsup: :cheers:
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General Discussion / Re: RE: Again with the politics
« Last post by wsdstan on May 06, 2021, 05:28:48 PM »
I like the  sound of this.  Thanks PW.
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General Discussion / Re: RE: Again with the politics
« Last post by PetrifiedWood on May 06, 2021, 03:57:55 PM »
I will just say that most of us have been here for many years, and if you went back through every post we've made here, only a tiny percentage of them have been political in nature, or posted in response to a political post.   But when you look at the post history of a member and it is mostly political posts with a few token bushcraft posts thrown in, it leads me to believe that person has a political agenda for their interaction here; Especially when the time and consideration (and volume of text) in the politically oriented posts demonstrate a much greater care and attention to detail than the halfhearted attempts at actual, topical discussions.

So, like I said, I want everyone to feel comfortable talking about the things that they would around a campfire, but one of the big features of campfire talk is that generally, you don't go camping with people you disagree with.  Here, we are an open forum. 

I have been thinking a lot about how certain changes have occurred in our society, and I think a lot of those changes were brought about by people attacking our society by using our own rules against us.  And by holding us to standards that work well when people aren't actively trying to undermine us.  I think at some point you just have to embrace hypocrisy and understand that the only real rule is self-preservation. 

"Fairness" is an artificial human construct.  I have endeavored to be fair in the past.  Now I will endeavor to preserve what remains of our forum for our long time members, even if taking such actions isn't "fair".  It won't be fair, but it will be effective.
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General Discussion / Re: RE: Again with the politics
« Last post by wsdstan on May 06, 2021, 02:13:17 PM »
Moe I agree they can say whatever they want but I can also choose to not listen to their BS. 
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General Discussion / Re: RE: Again with the politics
« Last post by crashdive123 on May 06, 2021, 01:25:46 PM »
I would suggest that if you (generic you) want to discuss politics then that discussion belongs in the private section.  It is one of the reasons it was created.

Rules still apply (no personal attacks, etc.).  It is a section of the forum that you have to request access to from PW.  For those that don't want to get in or even see political discussions it's simple ---- don't request access to it.

For many, forums like this are one of the last bastions where they can get away from the day to day toil that they have to listen to.

It's not that politics isn't important - it is.  It just has it's own place on this forum.
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General Discussion / Re: RE: Again with the politics
« Last post by Moe M. on May 06, 2021, 11:29:07 AM »

 Like I said above, I can agree with PW if the political talk gets too loud, too often, or gets too intense,  but when your house is on fire it's kind of hard keep your mouth shut some times.

 That said, I tried to find what ever thread or post set a fire under his back side and couldn't find one that was overboard politically, sadly there's a part of our society that's bent on getting us to hate each other (aka everything that exists in our country is either Racist, offensive, or assaulting to someone, Personally I think it's organized and intended to separate us from interacting with one another intentionally, right down to the masks that we are forced to wear every where we go outside of our homes, while it might be viewed as an attempt to keep down the spread of the virus, what it's also doing is taking away our individuality, making us all look the same,  censoring what we can and can not say and keeping us from assembling is also keeping us from exchanging ideas and notions, I don't like it any more than anyone else,  but I especially like it when we do it to ourselves, and that was my main message.

 To Stans statement, yes we have a few people on this forum that don't agree with the political views of the majority, but they have just as much right to their opinions as we do, and we can disagree with their posts, but they should be allowed to voice them and shouldn't be silenced because of what they say, as long as we keep it civil, we should be allowed to voice our opinions between us on the open forum, if we get too aggressive the mods can cool us off rather quickly,  but we shouldn't be gagged simply because someone doesn't want to hear it. 

 :shrug:
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General Discussion / Re: RE: Again with the politics
« Last post by wsdstan on May 06, 2021, 09:53:47 AM »
I guess I missed PW's comment and don't know where it is. 

Moe makes sense to me with his post and what Tony says is sure true. 

Politics and religion are two areas where lots of fights start.  Nobody on this forum brings up religion.  Politics slips in easily at times.  There is no interest on my part in listening to the leftists on this forum.  We only have about three and all are on ignore. 
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