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Weather blues
« on: March 04, 2023, 08:49:06 AM »
 The global climate changes are starting to be recognized by even the most dedicated denialists.  While the claims have changed from "Not Happening" to " Always Changing" to silence things just keep piling up.  In Central Europe major rivers are drying up, agricultural use is being restricted and folks are preparing for more hard choices on top of hard times. Already posted about dry sections of the Mighty Mississippi this winter and halted barge traffic here in The Homeland. Winter storms bought record snowfall to some areas but precipitation patterns relied on for water distribution schemes are out the window in the western states.

Then there's heat. Last spring and summer saw record heat in numerous places some pretty unexpected. New terms like Heat Domes and Cooling Centers are now part of reporting.

What we're seeing today is just the beginning of accurately predicted changes . As glaciers continue to melt and sea levels rise, as storm severity and frequency increases due to warming oceans our world is going to look much different.  Prepping for that is going to be interesting. No point in doing the "Told ya so" thing. It doesn't matter. The world we have known is unequivocally changing and things are going to be very different in a couple of decades or so. And it will be permanent.

The contribution of human industry to Climate Disruption is undeniable by any rational standard. The factual evidence is well known and denial at this point is well, pathetic at best.

Nature will seek a new balance over time. We can always count on that.

Maybe people will eventually seek a new balance as well. We can never count on that.

Im grateful for all the times outside in the sticks. Grateful I introduced the wonders of our world to my kids  Grateful for the quiet revelations time in Nature provides.

Too bad we screwed things up for those who follow.

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Re: Weather blues
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Re: Weather blues
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Re: Weather blues
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2023, 05:25:48 PM »
Thanks for that.....makes me giggle!

I've been going through these scares and warnings all my life.....in the end, it comes to nothing. :lol:
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Re: Weather blues
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2023, 07:01:06 PM »

https://dailysceptic.org/2022/08/18/1200-scientists-and-professionals-declare-there-is-no-climate-emergency/?fbclid=IwAR35XWRQICMHtmAnL9ci0JTM8k-JeEShwdxHOqPEMQts3pcCK18jqxgvkmQ

Uhm... No thanks.  I'll stick with peer reviewed  information rather than Toby Young's " content" That includes not only Climate disinformation  but Covid nonsense as well.
 
The article linked contains so many red flags it is almost amusing.

it is not my intention  to debate denialist disinformation, mistepresentations of the scientific method or conspiracy fabulisims.

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Re: Weather blues
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2023, 07:14:00 PM »
https://clintel.org/world-climate-declaration/

Interesting read.  The points might seem reasonable to the non scientist or those seekig confirmation bias but among actual scientists in the specific disciplines involved  these arguments have long been put to rest as information in peer reviewed publications indicates.

i am not a Climate scietist but I do try to keep abreast of developments in the field.

The Natural Cycle Variation claim, for instance, can only be defended by omitting a lot of pertinent data  Similarly the CO2 is good for you stuff was debunked back when Reagan said it. 

The issues are not about partisan politics or alternative facts.

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Re: Weather blues
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2023, 07:24:52 AM »
The global climate changes are starting to be recognized by even the most dedicated denialists.  While the claims have changed from "Not Happening" to " Always Changing" to silence things just keep piling up.  In Central Europe major rivers are drying up, agricultural use is being restricted and folks are preparing for more hard choices on top of hard times. Already posted about dry sections of the Mighty Mississippi this winter and halted barge traffic here in The Homeland. Winter storms bought record snowfall to some areas but precipitation patterns relied on for water distribution schemes are out the window in the western states.

Then there's heat. Last spring and summer saw record heat in numerous places some pretty unexpected. New terms like Heat Domes and Cooling Centers are now part of reporting.

What we're seeing today is just the beginning of accurately predicted changes . As glaciers continue to melt and sea levels rise, as storm severity and frequency increases due to warming oceans our world is going to look much different.  Prepping for that is going to be interesting. No point in doing the "Told ya so" thing. It doesn't matter. The world we have known is unequivocally changing and things are going to be very different in a couple of decades or so. And it will be permanent.

The contribution of human industry to Climate Disruption is undeniable by any rational standard. The factual evidence is well known and denial at this point is well, pathetic at best.

Nature will seek a new balance over time. We can always count on that.

Maybe people will eventually seek a new balance as well. We can never count on that.

Im grateful for all the times outside in the sticks. Grateful I introduced the wonders of our world to my kids  Grateful for the quiet revelations time in Nature provides.

Too bad we screwed things up for those who follow.

 I have to laugh at all the folks who subscribe to the panic that is global warming/climate change, they call the rest of us deniers, yet they refuse to accept that the worlds climate and weather patterns have been in constant flux ever since the seventh day when God rested, or the big bang whichever theory you choose to follow.
I can just imagine the Dinosaurs of old running around crying "we are doomed, this is going to be bad, and it's all Barney Rubbles Boss's fault, that damned Slate factory is ruining the air quality, that and those darned Wolley Mammoths farting all over the place, what can we do ?
 Millions and millions of years of climate change has indeed changed the world to what we know it today, and like the Dinosaurs, we've had a good run, but when we are all gone the earth will continue without us, but a new life form that is better adapted to the existing climate will go on to thrive as we did until it's time for them to become a part of history.
 You boomer are one of those Henny Pennies who knows that the sky is falling, you can't accept your fate, so you hang on to the belief that man's progress along with animal waste and fossil fuels are the cause, surely it can't be a natural occurrence, because if it were all of the peoples tax money and sacrifice in the world , all the foolish wind farms and all those ugly solar panel fields wouldn't stop it.
 You lefties claim to care about the environment yet you turn a blind eye to the killing of millions of birds, and the killing of countless whales with your stupid windmills, and then you clear cut tens of thousands of acres of forest that clean our air, control flooding, and that are home to millions of animals and countless species, all in a failed bid to save your sorry A$$es, you'd be better off getting on your knees and praying to your Creator to forgive your ignorance.
 Or, you can just accept your fate, break out the booze and dig out your old vinyl copy of Cry ME A River, and enjoy the adventure.   :banana: :popcorn: :shrug:
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Re: Weather blues
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2023, 09:06:00 AM »
I see no point in arguing scientific consensus with someone who denies science. And neither of us are climate scientists anyway. At least I'm not.

Can say however, that some of the acts misattributed to me are serious concerns. Ad hominem fallacies aside you mention valid reasons for concern and action regarding the continuing despoliation of the biosphere.

It probably doesn't make any difference to point out that saying something doesn't exist then accusing another of creating the nonexistent problem is an obvious bit of nonsense.


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Re: Weather blues
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2023, 09:57:12 AM »
Oh, I wasn't looking to argue with you.  I make it a point to never do that with anybody that has a superior than others attitude.  You see, they believe that they are always right and those that disagree with them are wrong.  Not much point in it. 

This is for others that are willing to have a ratioinal thought process.  Science is not about concensus.  If it were, the earth would be flat.

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Re: Weather blues
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2023, 11:19:49 AM »
The scientific method is used as the basis for achieving consensus among Scientists  Such is the case with human contributions to climate disruption. The link posted contains many previously debunked claims and a fair amount of misdirection and  omission according to Scientists working in the disciplines involved and peer reviewed research. At least that is the informed consensus. I'm going with that. As new fact is introduced we'll ser where the discussion goes. That's science. We don't toss out the general germ theory of disease when a novel pathogen is identified, for instance.

The Ancient Greeks determined the shape of our planet and did a good job with the circumference as well. People  preferring a Flat Earth claim do so despite all factual evidence for reasons that have nothing to do with either Earth or Flatness.  Kind of like the issue at hand.

Consensus does not mean unanimous agreement.  But greater than 99% consensus among scientists in any field  is a compelling argument moving forward especially when the question affects the entire globe.



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Re: Weather blues
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2023, 12:10:12 PM »
The first Red Flag fire warning notices are out for this weekend in my part of the SW about 2 months early. We have fire season just like we have "monsoon seasons" ( they're not). Humidity is low, winds are high, winter moisture sparse except in the high mountains and it's all pretty early again.

Interesting times indeed. The past couple or three decades have been difficult for Citizens who love the outdoors in the SW like most of us do. Was going to burn out an old cast iron bean pot today but that'll have to wait. Don't know how long though.

This is my favorite part of our nation and I'll get by but can't say I'm not concerned. And I'm concerned about more than the obvious Climate changes and our contributions to them.

 I've been fortunate to travel a bit and live abroad a few times over the years. One  thing I learned is most people most of the time are pretty reasonable.  Ive been in every state in our nation. Most traveling on two wheels following black lines on the road maps. Even became a self proclaimed authority on the Breakfast Special.

While most Citizens seemed fair and open Ive also seen what effect fear can have on people and how they can react.

The questions  that keep coming up for me are both basic to Climate issues and broader in implication. They have more to do with fear I think.


Fear is a natural and necessary response. When considered appropriately it is beneficial. Otherwise fear engenders hatred and violence.

At one time I led troops in combat as an NCO in a Light Infantry Unit. The first exposure to combat usually resulted in fear and confusion. Reliance on training and each other helped make troops effective. The second exposure to combat was less disorienting. Reliance on training had been tested and reliance on each other was more prominent.  The third time was when the tale was told. By then the situation was understood and it was through disassociating from fear coupled with reliance on each other that was paramount. The training was always there but the situation was unequivocal. The s*** was REAL. It is a lesson never forgotten  Ever.
Those who don't share that experience please consider yourselves fortunate

This isn't going where I started but let me ask -  When did we become so fearful? When did we accept notions like " alternative facts" or have to rely on conspiracy tales? When did we decide political partisanship was better than co operation? When did we learn to hate our nation and fellow Citizens? When did we decide reality is too much to bear? When did we decide to kill each other or burn the house down if we can't decide where the furniture is placed? 

When did we decide to surrender to fear? When did we decide the responsibilities of Citizenship were too tough for us?

Historically our nation has been unique in many ways. Not perfect certainly, but at least we were trying to make progress. And we did make progress. A lot in some cases. And yes, there is more to be done.

i understand why people are afraid and where that fear can lead. But there is a choice.

On the one hand we can choose as Livy said of his time: "We can neither endure our vices nor endure the remedies needed to cure them"

Or we can choose to rely on each other and accomplish the mission of fulfilling the promise nation to leave a better future for those who follow

Seems obvious.

Doesn't it?