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General Discussion / Lower Back Procedure
« Last post by Mad-max on July 22, 2022, 09:06:31 AM »
I have bad arthritis in my lower spine.  She (neurologist) numbed it for a (test run) to see if she had the right nerves.  She did.  It hurt.
So the wonderful insurance company, after jumping through every hoop they threw at me,  approved a RFA  Radio frequency ablation.

She's going to burn the nerves out this time (Tues).

Anybody had a similar procedure?  This is more of a reassurance question.  I can't live like this.  So damn the torpedo's.  Full speed ahead.
Anybody have this done?,


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General Discussion / Re: Forest closures
« Last post by Mad-max on July 22, 2022, 08:49:41 AM »
Good Lord guys.  Get a room. 
Lol.  I really shouldn't tease about being polite..
We're into our rain for a day or two.  Hot and muggy for a few.
The word from the out of staters about campgrounds is they are either full or "take out a second mortgage.  I guess if your traveling in one of those plush house on wheels it doesn't matter.  Go inside and crank the thermostat down. 
We just don't camp in the summer down here.  And I waiting for surgery so traveling to the mountains is gonna be delayed.
The chantrel mushrooms should be popping but just little teeny ones are the only ones.
When we were traveling the west each years we got edjumucated on it's fragility.
Here in FL if you take the time and effort to find those old bone yards it's sobering to see all the "died in fire" gravestones.  It's no joke.  Careful out there.
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General Discussion / Re: Forest closures
« Last post by boomer on July 21, 2022, 08:25:50 AM »
Thank you Moe.

At your suggestion I looked up the book suggested and the author. Based on the precis and author's published bio i have decided to stick with current research results by climate scientists published in peer reviewed sources which represents a 99% consensus among professionals.

The argument that "facts are wrong and they are being misrepresented" is not one I have found compelling whether the subject is flat earth, public health or climate issues. But that's just me.

Others are certainly entitled to their opinions and rightly so. In these uncertain times differetiating fact and opinion can be trying yet remains essential.

Addendum:  No, I don't know what the labels you ascribe mean aside from the fact I assume they are not compliments. I understand some of the labels apparently mean something different than commonly understood but that's about it. Of course, that's likely another discussion
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General Discussion / Re: Forest closures
« Last post by boomer on July 21, 2022, 06:48:34 AM »
Thank you Moe. There's a lot to consider in that response. I'm neither climate scientist nor economist. As far as science goes I look to peer reviewed studies and reliable, reproducible evidence. Economics, beyond a few simple concepts is far too distorted by political dogma to address.

I'm sure you and I recall the photos from around the globe from the general Covid lockdown period. The dramatic differences in air and water quality were certainly memorable. Those photos alone clearly showed the extent of human contribution to climate problems. By now we all know the stories of glaciers melting, pollinators declining, extreme heat waves and all the rest. We can see it happening in real time. The effects of climate changes are especially noticeable in the SW which is already desert.

Some argue "climate always changes" which is true. But like a lot of things the rate of change and proximate causes matter. The issue today is the human contributions to increasing climate change. And that, hopefully, understood by by even the most reluctant or intransigent.

Our biosphere is essentially a closed system powered by our star. The water we have today is the same water we had yesterday or a thousand or a million years ago, for example. Human technological abilities are unique and have allowed us to affect the biosphere, sometimes radically. That's who we are.

That we need to do things differently today is obvious. What we need to do is also obvious. How we go about it is the big question. Part of that big question is not only how much it might cost to make necessary changes but how much it will cost not to make them.

A person comes into the ER with signs and symptoms of a heart attack, we can say science indicates they are experiencing a heart attack and list their available options- treatment or no. They  get to decide even if the outcome on the one hand is obvious while the alternative is not guaranteed. That's their right but it's not their right to make that decision for others or groups of others or future generations.

Some citizens may not want change but prefer instead a nostalgic view of earlier times and more robust adventures but change occurs regardless. Change is after all "the only constant".

Climate scientists don't set the price of fuel, design transport systems or decree personal consumption patterns. They do climate science and present the results.

I'm not sure who or what my "ilk" is understood to be. I do understand, however, the inherent responsibility to try to leave the world a better place for my kids and grandkids and all those who follow. It is both a duty and privilege we all share. It is one I take seriously

Best wishes to you and yours.



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General Discussion / Re: Forest closures
« Last post by Moe M. on July 21, 2022, 05:43:27 AM »
Thank you Moe. Good to hear things are going well in the NE for you and yours.

I will admit I have no idea what the first paragraph means or where it comes from. Seems like a non sequitur.
I get the US politicians listed may not be favorites but since a number of European countries are currently in the same boat I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Or what it even means.


  Thank you again Boomer,  ;)

 You too quickly admit to not knowing much about anything that's going on around you that threatens the collective narrative, the reason it might seem like a non sequitur could very well be because of your tendency to refuse to entertain any information or theory that is different from that which you have adopted.
 And BTW, in my opinion you're a pretty bright fellow, quite learned and traveled from the sound of your posts, so I don't buy your story of not understanding the first paragraph of my reply that you quoted above, nor do most others who follow these threads, you don't seem to have any problem making statements or quoting facts as you interpret them, but you intentionally side step any questions that require you to defend your positions on environmental or social issues, could it be that they are too difficult to easily defend ?
 In any event, perhaps you ought to investigate privately the other side of the GW/CC story, a good place to start might be with the book Debunking the Myth of Human Made Climate Change by Michael J. Cole, it's an easy read and makes some interesting points.

 I'm not trying to turn this into a debate, I'm just trying to understand your method of reasoning using a little common sense, but you don't make it easy. 
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General Discussion / Re: Forest closures
« Last post by Moe M. on July 20, 2022, 07:55:04 PM »
Thank you Moe. Good to hear things are going well in the NE for you and yours.

I will admit I have no idea what the first paragraph means or where it comes from. Seems like a non sequitur.
I get the US politicians listed may not be favorites but since a number of European countries are currently in the same boat I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Or what it even means.

As far as global Climate problems go the scientific consensus is pretty clear. Modeling based on data is pretty accurate although rate of change is increasing. And the effects in the SW are readily observable. Maybe your area is doing better but weather is local and climate is global

Anyhow, it's good things are going well in your area. Enjoy.

 Thank you Boomer,  ;)

  LOL, you may have hit on at least part of the problem, some folks here want us to become more Europeanized, I guess they can't make the correlation between Europe's never ending troubles and their socialist political and social engineering policies, which is why we are always having to bail them out in one form or another.
 Just how much money do scientist believe that we have to throw at Global Warming/Climate Change to make the problem go away, or do they believe that taxing the $hitt out of people or that making their energy cost so unaffordable that it will force them to give up their lives as they've known it.
 Do they think that people are so stupid that they don't know that wind and solar as it stands today can't supply the energy needs of the worlds population no matter how much it costs, so, from where I sit the left (including green leaning scientist) are telling me that huge sums of money paid to god only knows will clean up the pollutants that are causing the changes to the global climate, or they're telling me if I don't drive a battery operated vehicle, heat my home and generate my electricity with wind mills and solar panels, quit eating meat and start living on plant life and bugs I run the risk of either drowning on elevating sea levels, or choaking to death on toxins and pollutants in the air, or being poisoned by bad water.
 IMHO what's much more scary than those predictions is the fact that people actually believe that crap, if the world and civilization is doomed because of changes to our environment, so be it, nothing lasts forever, and all the henny penny handwringing in the world is going to change that.
 But maybe I'm wrong, I have been a time or two in my life, maybe you and your ilk are right, so tell us, What will it take in economic resources or human sacrifice to save the world, try to be specific.
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General Discussion / Re: Forest closures
« Last post by boomer on July 20, 2022, 04:46:16 PM »
Thank you Moe. Good to hear things are going well in the NE for you and yours.

I will admit I have no idea what the first paragraph means or where it comes from. Seems like a non sequitur.
I get the US politicians listed may not be favorites but since a number of European countries are currently in the same boat I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Or what it even means.

As far as global Climate problems go the scientific consensus is pretty clear. Modeling based on data is pretty accurate although rate of change is increasing. And the effects in the SW are readily observable. Maybe your area is doing better but weather is local and climate is global

Anyhow, it's good things are going well in your area. Enjoy.
 
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General Discussion / Re: Forest closures
« Last post by Moe M. on July 20, 2022, 12:13:59 PM »
The SW has been on fire again this year. Air quality was bad enough for a month that daily advisories became routine. Now the seasonal rains have finally doused the fires but flash flooding is happening again. This has become our consistent pattern. Meanwhile the drought conditions continue. Kind of ironic.

The national forests in my area remain closed as they have been since May. No mountain fishing. No camping. No hiking. No nothing. Remediation work related to fire suppression efforts only.

Temps at my elevation in the high desert routinely hit 100F or better each day which is above previous normals but it's the desert so there's that. Fortunately, I'm in the sticks so bushcrafting stuff is still possible. Without fires, of course. It'd be nice to head up to the high country like we used to but those days have been fewer with each summer. Understand I'm comparatively fortunate and a lot of folks have it much worse. Appreciate what i have for sure.

We're in the New Normal stage of things now. While it is very obviously changed it remains tolerable. At least for now. Predictably, some people continue to deny reality or human contributions to the problems but that will likely be changing soon enough. Reality tends to work that way

Our interesting times are about to become a lot more so. It's a shame because it didn't have to go this way but here we are. Just griping because I miss playing in the high country.

Anyway that's the Southern Rockies situation. Hope others fare better.

 Rep. Cortez, The Squad, Joe Biden, John Kerry, the UN, the entire Communist Chinese Industrial Complex, and Al Gore all agree with this message and thank you for your sacrifice and loyalty to the New World Green Energy movement.   :thumbsup:

 On a more personal note, I am truly sorry for your hardships, if I could send you some of our excellent New England weather, I would only be too happy to do so, we did start the spring with an overedge of rain and some higher than normal wind conditions but it cleared up about mid April, since then we've had average rainfall, mostly wonderful days, and the daytime temps have been very moderate (generally in the high 70's to mid 80's with fairly low humidity) and pleasant, great for cookouts and pool parties, the gardens are doing well also.   
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General Discussion / Forest closures
« Last post by boomer on July 19, 2022, 09:43:39 AM »
The SW has been on fire again this year. Air quality was bad enough for a month that daily advisories became routine. Now the seasonal rains have finally doused the fires but flash flooding is happening again. This has become our consistent pattern. Meanwhile the drought conditions continue. Kind of ironic.

The national forests in my area remain closed as they have been since May. No mountain fishing. No camping. No hiking. No nothing. Remediation work related to fire suppression efforts only.

Temps at my elevation in the high desert routinely hit 100F or better each day which is above previous normals but it's the desert so there's that. Fortunately, I'm in the sticks so bushcrafting stuff is still possible. Without fires, of course. It'd be nice to head up to the high country like we used to but those days have been fewer with each summer. Understand I'm comparatively fortunate and a lot of folks have it much worse. Appreciate what i have for sure.

We're in the New Normal stage of things now. While it is very obviously changed it remains tolerable. At least for now. Predictably, some people continue to deny reality or human contributions to the problems but that will likely be changing soon enough. Reality tends to work that way

Our interesting times are about to become a lot more so. It's a shame because it didn't have to go this way but here we are. Just griping because I miss playing in the high country.

Anyway that's the Southern Rockies situation. Hope others fare better.
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General Discussion / Re: Forum message this morning.
« Last post by wsdstan on July 19, 2022, 06:53:03 AM »
Thanks Moe.  That was the first time I got that message and it has not shown up again.

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